The WikiTree Challenge 2023 Challenge 2

Date: 19 Jan 2023 to 26 Jan 2023
Location: Australia
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Contents 1 WikiTree Challenge 2 1.1 Starting Profiles 1.1.1 Locations 1.2 Needs Work 1.2.1 Need Research 1.2.2 Need Profiles Created 1.2.3 Need Sources/Bio 1.2.4 Tiedemann DNA research 1.3 Photographs 1.4 FamilySearch Image Look-ups 2 Tell Us What You Found!! 2.1 Interesting Finds 2.2 Free Space Pages 2.3 Military Profiles 3 Media Outreach 3.1 WikiTree Posts: 3.2 Participant Posts: 4 Ancestors 4.1 Brick Walls 4.1.1 Brick Wall Ancestors 5 Resources 5.1 General WT Resources 5.2 Specific Country Resources 5.2.1 Australia Project Resources 5.2.2 Australia Research Resources

WikiTree Challenge 2

Organisation: Society of Australian Genealogists

Starting Profiles

1. James Bourn (abt.1774-1852) Ireland & Byrne-6737 & Byrne-6738
2. Oliver Peters Heggie (1877-1936) Australia
3. Jess Hill (1915-2005) Australia
4. Adelaide Eliza Ironside (1831-1867) New South Wales, Australian Colonies
5. Herbert John (Ramsey) Rumsey (1866-1956) England
6. Quong Tart (abt.1850-1903) China, England
7. Dora May (Tiedemann) Wicks (1901-1974) First Nations, England, Germany

Locations

1. Australia (NSW, QLD, SA, VIC, WA, TAS, NT, ACT)
2. China
3. England
4. New Zealand
5. Poland
6. Wales
7. Scotland
8. Ireland
9. Germany
10. India
11. USA
12. Trinidad Tobago
13. France
14. Fiji
15. Canada
16. Belgium
17. South Africa
18. Egypt
19. Denmark

Needs Work

Need Research

1. Is George Cribb (Bristol, England) the right father for James and other siblings? Conflicting baptism information for James.
2. Richard James Phelan (1837-1904) - obit says he is from Limerick Co, Ireland and there is an interesting military story there if we can find more sources. Although Obit says he is from Limerick, the passenger list says "Tippy". No births in Limerick of the right time, but there is one in Tipperary in 1837 and with father's name of James (referred to in his marriage record) therefore I believe this to be the right Richard Phelan. He also had a brother Thomas. No military records found yet though.
3. Robert Caddan (abt.1807-abt.1839) - Birth: A lot of tree's online have his birth in Cheshire and his parents as Hugh and Catherine. I am not 100% sure if this is the right Robert though. There is a newspaper article that implies he is actually Irish - "THE 50th OR QUEEN'S OWN" "During the Thirties, at least, the personell of the 50th was chiefly Irish, many like Cadden, Alexander and Monham - belonging to the North" - It would be helpful to find his Military record in England to see if it can shed any light on his place of birth or parents.
4. Moi Jam Gwai (abt.1870-), nephew of Quong Tart, is known to have joined his uncle in Sydney around 1882, & to have worked at the "Xinxing Inn" in Sydney (雪梨新兴栈), but needs to be located in Australian records.
5. James Ironside not sure if his second marriage to Eleanor Oke actually took place? His first wife was still alive and the 1835 date comes from James Ironside' death certificate, and that was completed by his son with Eleanor.
   • Haven't been able to confirm the marriage in NSW BDM Marriages search, trying different names, (Ironside, Ironsides, Oke, Oak). It seems possible she just assumed his name? Divorce was prohibitively expensive, unusual, and frowned upon. James Ironside's first wife was still living. I assume Eleanor Oke and James Ironside did not marry. I think attitudes in New South Wales were perhaps more relaxed than elsewhere.
6. Robert George Dawson (1876-) last heard of in WA in 1935 according to an article at time of mother's death. I don't think he is Find A Grave: Memorial #152629900 as wrong age and died before mother.
7. Still don't have a name for the uncle of Quong Tart who came to Australia with him.
8. Thomas Heggie (1819-abt.1884) - appears to have had a second wife and children attached and his death details altered since I added some. I have left an additional research note on his profile. I don't think the evidence is their to support the one who died in NZ was of the parents listed

Need Profiles Created

1. Nathaniel (Southworth) Southard (1769-1840) (CC5 Heggie) has siblings, their kids/etc that can be added (American) Tree with sources on Ancestry and Familysearch, also I've added the first round of children Evans-3182 19:12, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
2. Rebecca Martha (Wicks) Marsh (1886-1975) needs her spouse's parents and families added, as well as her own Mother. I added the mother, but was not confident in adding her first husband's parents. They are not named in any sources. He just has a birth index (that I could find). Family Search names his parents as George and Alice.Selvaggio-84 02:59, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
3. John Smallacombe (abt.1842-) needs his other spouse added and ten of his children. Their sources are on his profile.

Need Sources/Bio

1. Scottish research needed: George Cowie McMurtrie, supposed to have been born c1848, son of William McMurtrie b 12 June 1803, Airdrie Lanark Scoltland, d. 2 Sept 1864 Glasgow, Lanark, Sc and Helen Whellis Muir, b 13 July 1808, Airdrie, d. 20 Aug 1865 Sydney Aust.. Married 4 Oct 1829 Airdrie. All needs verification with reputable sources.
2. Isabel (Ruddach) Ironside (bef.1738-) - Have added sources I could find, but not overly confident with early 1700 records, will need bio and any further research
3. George Ironside (bef.1737-1812) - Have added sources I could find, but not overly confident with early 1700 records, will need bio and any further research Does this need further work?
4. James Walker (bef.1736-1814) - Have added sources I could find, but not overly confident with early 1700 records, will need bio and any further research
5. Elizabeth Andrew (bef.1747-abt.1829) - Have added sources I could find, but not overly confident with early 1700 records, will need bio and any further research

Tiedemann DNA research

1. Potential connections from DNA analysis, not yet verified. Profiles created hoping to connect up in time.

Photographs

Note: Please check with your captain, Karen Lowe, if there are any questions about the images being protected by copyright.

• James Percival Heggie (1870-1931) from State Library of South Australia (out of copyright) Amanda Myers
• Added photos for Margaret Tart nee Scarlett, Ann Alice Vine Davidson nee Tart, Quong Tart (can’t do the chinese characters!) house in China, Herbert Rumsey. All from SAG archives and out of copyright, except the house photos, which were supplied by a SAG member with permission to use on Wikitree. Danielle
• Daisy Beth (Lillecrapp) Baudinet (1911-1985) - Newspaper: The Advertiser 26 Oct 1937 (out of copyright) Amanda Myers

FamilySearch Image Look-ups

Tell Us What You Found!!

Interesting Finds

List interesting finds to share with the guest at the end of the week

1. Otto Peters and his brother Walter Peters caught the ship Claymore and headed from Adelaide to Darwin in July 1872 ready to set up a retail store just before the Overland Telegraph system was completed in August 1872. They were uncles of Oliver "Otto" Peters Heggie Sue Wyatt
2. Jane Hewitt was the daughter of convict parents, she was only 13 years old when she married James Cribb in 1820 and 15 when their first child was born. She had 12 children with all birth certificates indicating James was their father. The last 3 children however were conceived and born after James died in 1841. DNA analysis is underway to identify the father/s of the last three children. (5 degrees from Dora). Veronica (Coat) Williams
3. James Marsh & Elizabeth (Scott) Marsh (descendants of James Bourn) are listed as buried at Lone Graves in Forbes NSW, which lists only 3 memorials (I guess it's interesting as that's the lowest number I've ever see). I've requested this is added to Categorization. Ronald Bradford
4. Jane Starkey - Mother of Jane Hewitt, is reported in the Chester Chronicle 1803 as having two brothers and a brother in law who had been hanged. (6 degrees from Dora) Veronica (Coat) Williams
5. William Rumsey (1815-) went bankrupt which probably is why he moved from Coventry to Leamington Spa Buckle-52 10:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC) He remarried after the death of his first wife and was found living in Millbrook, Southampton next to my relatives Stephen Buckle (abt.1816-1889) Buckle-52 11:19, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
6. Research by a historian of the Mei family in Toishan, Mei Weiqiang, and information gathered within the family, also suggests that Quong Tart was married (in absentia) to a Chinese woman and that one, perhaps, two sons were adopted in his name. (Source: Kate Bagnall, ‘The transational Chinese family in Australia’ ‘New migration histories’—Australian in the World seminar series University of Melbourne 18 September 2013, ) Danielle
7. Moi Quong Tart's younger brother, Gong Yen, is known to have been financially supported by his brother until he later had business ventures in Hong Kong & became mayor of their village (Duanfen?). He also had at least nineteen children with five women. Koehnline-1
8. Robert Dalley Scarlett was a prolific composer, according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dalley-Scarlett Danielle
9. John Holden (abt.1808-1869) - A convict that was sentenced to life transportation for sacrilege (he robbed a chapel) at 21 years. Once in Australia his life had lots of hardships but he managed to overcome them and marry and raise 12 children.Maree (Patroni) Evans
10. Jessie May Hill (1915-1995) Information on Jess' female convict ancestors was found in her research held by the Society of Australian Genealogists. Wiki-ID needed!. Susanna Payten nee Harrison and TBA
11. Adelaide Eliza Ironside (1831-1867) is the grand daughter of convicts. {{Ardill-474|Lynne (Ardill) Byass]]
12. Adelaide Eliza Ironside (1831-1867) was not the only surviving child of James Ironside as stated on her death notice; she had half-siblings and her parents had separated. Wiki-ID needed!
13. August carl Bowmast A global citizen - born in Poland a german national who became a New Zealander and married in Australia. Five degrees from 梅-6.
14. James Marsh, of Marshdale,Eugowra, has cut from a gumtree near Mandagery Creek and the Lachlan River the record left by the explorer George W. Evans, June 15, 1815, and the same has been forwarded to the Sydney Museum. This tree stood as a record of exploration farthest west for two years, until Surveyor Oxley, who made it his starting-point, went still farther down the Lachlan, was blocked by flood waters, and reported an inland sea.
15. Catherine (Strain) Foggo OAM (1907-2002) - I received a warning "A child's death date (Strain-1456 died 2002) should not be more than 170 years after their father's birth date (Strain-1454 born 1831) . This would mean that even if the father was 70 when his child was born, the child lived to be over 100." The child lived to be 95 and was born to a very elderly father, so yes the lives of two people spanned 171 years.
16. Joan Violet Sigrist (1929-1994) is 4 degree's from Adelaide Ironside, but was also Member of the Society of Australian Genealogists, and Cartographer for their systematic transcriptions of all Monumental Inscriptions at Rookwood Necropolis during the 1980s. She was also sadly orphaned at 4yrs of age.Maree (Patroni) Evans
17. Arthur Henry Bray (1853 - 1942) "Grand Secretary of the United Grand Lodge of N.S.W., Ancient, Free and Accepted Masons".
18. James Bourn and Adelaide Ironside are connected at 9 degrees via the Oke family, Phillip James Oke and Eleanor Hellyer (Oke) Ironside) being siblings! Thanks Barbara McAlary for finding the connection!
19. William Spurgeon Rumsey (1857-1895) Died at sea he was captain of the vessel Murton and having left from Grangemouth it never reached its destination in Germany. Hilary Gadsby
20. Maude Muriel Victoria Milgate (Lea) Wilkins (1913-1952) (grand-niece of Adelaide Eliza Ironside (1831-1867)) was fatally shot by her sister's husband, George Alexander Stewart (abt.1915-), after George suspected that Muriel was causing his wife, Hyacinth Milgate (Lea) Stewart (1913-1966), to be unfaithful. Hyacinth was also critically wounded in the attack but survived. He was allegedly sentenced to death in 1954.
21. Adelaide Eliza Ironside (1831-1867) and Dora May (Tiedemann) Wicks (1901-1974) are eight degrees apart through Adelaide's mother's line connecting to Dora's mother's line. All 50+ profiles that I have added, starting with Adelaide's maternal grandfather, are also within seven degrees of Dora! Lynne (Ardill) Byass
22. After George Walker (1776-1829) died in 1829, his estate was supposed to be divided among his six children - 5 sons and 1 daughter. Apparently, the sons took over the running of the farm and the sister married and was given whatever dollar amount (the article says she got more than her brothers). She sued her brothers in 1862, a full 33 years later, because she felt she received less than her brothers. This is probably because she got money in 1829, but her brothers continued to profit off the farm because they were working it in the ensuing years. The article says she waited until after her mother died, but it was a brother that died; the mother lived another 8 years. If I am reading correctly, she lost the suit. Selvaggio-84 03:42, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
23. Lillian Mabel Nettleton She lived to be 101 years old! Jaeger-962
24. Elizabeth Nettleton She died in childbirth in 1865. The child lived. Jaeger-962
25. Charles Thomas Collins Accidentally shot himself dead at the age of 13. While drawing the gun from the box it was in, the gun accidentally discharged and shot him in the left breast. His parents returned within five minutes of the report of the gunshot to find him dead and his shirt-sleeve burning. Jaeger-962
26. Jess Hill's convict ancestors Isaac Payten and Susannah (Harrison) tried to escape the Colony in 1806/1807. Isaac was fined 50 pounds and imprisoned for 12 months until the fine was paid. Susannah was found 'not guilty' due to being 'under the influence of Isaac'. Acknowledgments to Heather Stevens who wrote their biographies during the week. Gillian Thomas
27. Isaac Payten's brother was also transported as a convict to New South Wales, arriving on the First Fleet but was hanged within a year for theft. Acknowledgments to Heather Stevens who wrote their biographies during the week. Gillian Thomas
28. Isaac Payten was a master stone mason and was contracted, along with William Watkins, to build the Female Factory at Parramatta. Acknowledgments to Heather Stevens who wrote their biographies during the week. Gillian Thomas
29. Nathaniel Payten (1801-1864), son of Isaac was also a stone mason, and with his partner James Houison, built many of the significant historical buildings in Parramatta. probably including the Parramatta Gaol and Court House. Acknowledgments to Heather Stevens who wrote their biographies during the week. Gillian Thomas
30. Flying Officer Frederic C Pinfold (1916-) was shot down and killed over Gladbeck, near Essen, Germany on 27th August 1942 in a Wellington Bomber. He was attached to the No. 5 Signal School. Craig Rayner

Free Space Pages

List of Free Space Pages created for or linked to members of this family.

Military Profiles

1. World War I:Quong Tart's son Arthur Malcolm Quong Tart (1892-1927) served and suffered badly from shell shock
2. World War 2: Jess Hill served for three years in the Postal Division in Brisbane during World War II. https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=4463129 (Andrew Redfern)
3. 50th (Queen's Own) Regiment of Foot: Robert Caddan (abt.1807-abt.1839) was the Drum Major for the regiment and was part of their first tour to Australia. He married Harriet Dunstan and had one son before passing away due to alcoholism and mental derangement. (Maree (Patroni) Evans)
4. Edward Sydney Endycott (1924-2000) - A Gunner in the Australian Army during World War II, he was regularly in trouble and ended up court martialled for being absent without leave for over a month, was sentenced to 1 year in detention but he breached his sentence and was re-sentenced to 6months hard labour. He is a son-in-law of Dora May (Tiedemann) Wicks (1901-1974) (Maree (Patroni) Evans)
5. All 4 children of James Percival Heggie (1870-1931) and Elsie Margaret (Phelan) Heggie (1880-1951) served in WW2 Amanda Myers ( James Gordon HEGGIE 1910-2000; Ross Malcolm HEGGIE 1911-1993; Colin Campbell HEGGIE 1913-1976; Margaret Rayworth HEGGIE 1920-2016 )
6. Robert Dalley Scarlett WWI, and his sons Graham Scarlett and Hubert Scarlett WWII. Phyllis Cable WWII.
7. George Alan Scarlett WWI
8. Edward Walter Agar was a Major in the Indian Army - the National Archives have files relating to: Papers of Maj Edward Walter Agar (1812-84), Bombay Army 1828-54, comprising commissions granted to him 1832-54, and a warrant and letter, dated Jul and Oct 1857, from Maj-Gen Sir Henry Gee Roberts (1800-60), Bombay Army 1818-60, concerning Agar's police work at Ahmadabad during the Indian Mutiny.
9. Otto Tiedemann killed in action in France WWI aged 17.
10. Charles Wilkin Bowmast served in WWII. From NewZealand
11. Gordon Francis Yeoman Died from disease in France and remembered in Calais. Australian Infantry 56th Bn
12. Thomas Edney Bradshaw (1893-) Died of Wounds on the Western Front in World War 1. He is buried at the Roisel Communal Cemetery Extension at the Somme, Picardie, France.
13. England's Coast Guard. Herbert John Rumsey (abt.1866-1956)'s uncle William Spurgeon Rumsey (1857-1895) was married to Sarah Oliver. Her father, John Henry Oliver, his father, John Oliver (abt.1803-), and uncles Thomas, Richard, and William were all lifelong members of the Coast Guard. There were two more brothers that may not have survived to adulthood. Or they could be in the Coast Guard!
14. World War 1: Stanley Charles Thomas Dawson (1902-1965) was only 15 when he enlisted in 1917; he stated he was 19.
15. World War 2: Lonslo Clyde Rostrum Miller (1922-2004) Served in RAAF as a Flight Lieutenant
16. Arthur Lionel Thorncroft (1905-1963) enlisted in 1944, achieved the rank of Leading Aircraftman.
17. Edgar Colin Ironside (1922-2005) WWII.
18. Cyril Benson died in France in WWI aged 18.
19. Hyacinth Milgate (Lea) Stewart (1913-1966) (grand-niece of Adelaide Eliza Ironside (1831-1867)) and her husband Leonard Roy Swan (1917-1943) both served at the same time during WWII. Leonard died at sea when the ship Centaur sunk off the coast of Queensland.
20. Douglas Edward Davidson (abt.1878-1956) served during World War I for Australia. His enlistment record states that he also fought in the Boer War for 2.5 years in Kitchener's Scouts.
21. World War 1: Keith Muir McMurtrie (1886-1970) - Driver in 2nd Australian Army Service Corps Company. He also served with The Duke of Westminster's armoured car unit in the Western Frontier Force
22. World War I & II: George Eric McMurtrie (1888-1975) - Eric served in both World War 1 and 2

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Ancestors

Brick Walls

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Brick Wall Ancestors

1. James Bourn (abt.1774-1852) Ireland & Australia
2. Jürgen August Breden (abt.1750-) Germany
3. Charles Hughes (abt.1797-1848) England & Australia
4. James Walker (abt.1750-abt.1810) Scotland
5. John Downes (1760-1843) England
6. 瑞暇 梅 (abt.1800-) China
7. Sarah (Adams) Weymouth (1700-1749) England

Resources

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General WT Resources

• Editing Tips This page shows basic markup that can be used on WikiTree profiles and Space pages. Please remember not to use tables on Challenge profiles.
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• The Background Images Category contains pages that you can find a large variety of background images on. Most of them are tiled (repeatable) images.

Specific Country Resources

Australia Project Resources

• Category:Australia,_Project_Guidelines. Project guidelines are being developed to assist Wikitreers improve Australian Profiles. These are 'works in progress' and subject to change.
• Sources and Citation Examples A guide to sourcing on Australian Profiles and how to cite those sources. Includes links to sources for b/d/m, immigration and military records. See also Citation Generators
• Standards for Australian Profiles This page is a quick summary of the WikiTree Style and Standards, including guidelines for reliable sources for Australian Profiles.
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Australia Research Resources

Please share your resources here! We all learn from each other in a collaborative environment such as WikiTree.

• Australia BDM Civil Registration Index tutorial on how to use the Australia birth, marriage, death civil registration index
• Australia Civil Registration lists sites for vital record indexes
• AIATSIS's Family History resource - a range of resources to assist you with your Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander family history research
• Mariners and Ships in Australian Waters - This site, hosted by State Records of New South Wales, is indexing and transcribing unassisted passenger lists 1845-1922 held by SRNSW (NRS 13278). This ongoing project has the lists complete for 1845-1900, with many available for 1901-1922. This site is searchable by name, vessel name and date. The site also includes transcribed passenger lists and links to free scans of the original lists. Ship crew members are also listed on these records.
• Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild - There are 12,000+ passenger list transcripts online. Most are to the USA but not all. The site includes lists of departures from the German ports of Altona, Bremen, Bremerhaven, Cuxhaven, Geestemunde, Hamburg, Stettin, Swinemunde (now Swinoujscie, Poland) plus unspecified ports. There is also a link to World War II Refugees to Australia by Tom Stiglmayer.
• Australian Electoral Rolls - Google sheet you can make a copy of that has all available Electoral Roles and where they can be found
• Hawkesbury on the Net Church Registers - Transcription of the registers in Hawkesbury Region (New South Wales), includes locations of Ebenezer, Pitt Town, Wilberforce, MacDonald River, Windsor, Clydesdale, Sackville Reach
• Society of Australian Genealogists - The Society of Australian Genealogists has the largest family history collection in Australia. The catalogues of the library and archives can be searched online.
• Biographical Database of Australia, the BDA is a new research tool for historians and genealogists comprising transcripts & indexes of original records and published biographies of deceased individuals who arrived, or were born in, Australia.