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The riddle of Elizabeth Faraday

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Date: 1765 to 1850
Location: Hawes, Yorkshiremap
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The Riddle of Elizabeth Faraday

In 1808 Elizabeth Faraday married Oswald Allen on 22nd sept 1808 in Hawes, Yorkshire [1]This fact is accepted and is based on the parish record of the marriage. The riddle is to work out who this couple were and what happened to them.

The questions are based around these two people

1) Who was Elizabeth Faraday and what happened to her
2) Who was Oswald Allen and what happened to him.

Did Elizabeth marry Allen Oswald in 1808 and then marry Adam Gray in 1812, or are these the marriages of 2 different people, both called Elizabeth. If they are different people, what happened to them after they got married?


Around this period there were a number of people called "Elizabeth Faraday" and at least 3 people called "Oswald Allen". In order to be sure who they were, it would be ideal to construct a family tree of each of them.


Elizabeth Faraday

There were a number of Faraday families living in Yorkshire between 1700-1850. These included Robert Faraday who was born in Clapham, Yorksire in 1728. Some of the family moved to London, including James Faraday, the father of Michael Faraday, the famous scientist.


it would be useful to identify her parents. Based on the marriage in 1808, the possible date of birth of Elizabeth must be before 1792, assuming she was over 16. A number of possible births have been listed below, from both Yorkshire and London.

Possible births in Yorkshire

The following records have been found for births of Elizabeth Faraday between 1765- 1792 and there may be others.

  • Elizabeth Daughter of Richard and Mary, born 1777, died 1785 Kirkby Stephens [2]. Can be discounted because died before old enough to marry.
  • Betty Faraday christened 1789 daughter of James and Betty, Giggleswick, Yorkshire [3].
  • Elizabeth daughter of James, christened 24 May 1795 Ingleton, Yorks [4] Can be discounted because born too late.


Possible births in London

  • Elizabeth Faraday, born about 1787 [source needed]. She may be the same person who later married Adam Greenhow Gray in 1812, in which case the 1841 census states she was between 50-54 in 1841 [5].

If this is the same person who married Oswald Allen, this could be helped by tracing the death of Oswald Allen between 1808 and 1812 (see below).

Oswald Allen

There are a number of records concerning people called Oswald Allen in Yorkshire.

These include

  • Oswald Allen, who married Francis Withers 10 Sept 1793 who has profile Oswald Allen.

The same man, Oswald Allen born 1773, then married Ann (Whaley) Allen (1780-) on 11th August 1828 [6].

  • Oswald Allen who married Mary Metcalf in Aysgarth, Yorkshire, England in 1826

[7]


Possible death's for Oswald

There are 4 death records for people called Oswald Allen in Yorkshire, which need to be matched to these profiles.

  • died 1848, York
  • died 1843 Askrigg
  • died 1856 Richmond
  • died 1862 Askrigg

Possible children

  • Hannah Allen was born in 1815 in Hawes, Yorkshire and has the profile Hannah Allen. She is thought to be the daughter of Oswald Allen and Elizabeth, but this is unsourced. Her date of birth is partly based on the 1861 census return, when she is known as Hannah Smith [8]. More details on her would be useful.

Other family members

As noted above, Elizabeth Faraday married Oswald Allen on 22nd Sept 1808 in Hawes, Yorkshire. The year before Thomas Faraday married Margaret (Armat) Faraday (abt.1786-) in Hawes. He may be a brother to Elizabeth. He is related to the Faraday's of Clapham, and an Uncle of Michael Faraday the scientist.

Sources

  1. "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV8X-WX7 : 10 February 2018), Oswald Allen and Elizabeth Farraday, 22 Sep 1808; citing Hawes,York,England, reference , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 207,540.
  2. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NR9V-47Z : 11 February 2018, Elizabeth Faraday, 03 Jan 1785); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 97,389, 97,390, 97,391, 97,392.
  3. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBW6-YVN : 11 February 2018, Betty Faraday, 31 May 1789); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 919,138.
  4. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMG5-QZ9 : 11 February 2018, Elizabeth Farraday, 24 May 1795); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 844,557.
  5. "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MQJC-N38 : 13 December 2017), Adam Gray, St Bartholomew The Great, Middlesex, England; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
  6. "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFBB-1WB : 10 February 2018), Oswald Allen and Ann Whaley, 11 Aug 1828; citing York, York, England, reference 110, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 1,655,694.
  7. "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJ4V-T8X : 10 February 2018), Oswald Allen and Mary Metcalfe, 04 Dec 1826; citing Aysgarth, Yorkshire, England, reference 218, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 467,729.
  8. "England and Wales Census, 1861," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7HM-VHH : 13 December 2017), James Smith, Hawes, Yorkshire (North Riding), England; from "1861 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO RG 9, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.




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Thank you Trevor and thanks to Richard. I found a record of a burial of Oswald Allen on 8 June 1858 in Family Search where the burial was at the Sandemanian Burial Ground at Hawes. This seems a link with the Oswald Allen who married Elizabeth Faraday who is known to have been a Sandemanian - but is not necessarily her husband. He could be her father-in-law, for instance. It is in a graves record that Family Search links to; I could not find a photo although the record says there is one. However I also found a mention of an obituary of a Mr Allen in 1811. Again, I didn't know how to open a copy of the obituary. This seems to be more likely to be the husband of Elizabeth if she is the same woman who married Adam Greenhow Grey in 1812. The Elizabeth born in 1765 is possibly a sister of Michael Faraday ("nephew" must have been a slip of the keyboard). This would make her 33 when she married Adam Grey, which seems to fit in with it being her second marriage and yet giving her several child bearing years. We know from records that Elizabeth and Adam had several children.
An earlier (by several decades) study by the College of Heralds asserted that Oswald Allen. son of Leonard Allen did marry Elizabeth Faraday, the sister of Michael Faraday. Any evidence opposing that assertion is most welcome.
posted by Richard Youatt
My provisional tree is that Hannah Smith is the daughter of James Smith b 1814 d. 1881. Their daughter is Mary Smith 1841 m. John Whitaker. Their daughter is Hannah Edith Faraday Whitaker b. 1887.

I see no single reliable individual source.

A good source for the birth date of Elizabeth Faraday, sister of Michael Faraday, is "Faraday's Life and Letters" by Dr. Bence Jones London 1870.

posted by Richard Youatt