Troilus Montgomery - Research Notes

Troilus Montgomery - Research Notes

Troilus Montgomery - Research Notes

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Do early genealogies and peerages support Troilus as a historical person?

Reliability of historical peerages and genealogies

It is recognised in research, that early private and published genealogies served a purpose in promoting strong kinship identity through times where the bonds of family were being stretched through migration and intermarriage. They were an attempt to “impose a powerful sense of retrospective order on a highly dispersed social reality”. “[G]enealogy – however bogus in certain particulars, however implausible in its remoter reaches – lent ... distinction and status during [a family’s] relentless rise.”[1] A family’s control over and enjoyment of their estates, beyond physical possession, depended on their ability to prove their entitlement. Genealogies provided the framework for their assertions. The genealogists were often limited in their access to historical records, reliant on versions swayed by family self-interest and prone, as with modern day on-line genealogies, to replicating past errors without careful reference to sources. These family genealogies were progressively collected to document the ‘peerage’ of the Scottish nation.

Troilus in documented peerages

The place of Troilus in Scottish genealogies is tenuous. Genealogies compiled in the 17th, 18th and 19th Centuries, are not history.[2] These genealogies provided the framework for assertions of a family’s control over and enjoyment of their estates, beyond physical possession. The genealogists were often limited in their access to historical records, reliant on versions swayed by family self-interest and prone, as with modern day on-line genealogies, to replicating past errors without careful reference to sources. These family genealogies were progressively collected to document the ‘peerage’ of the Scottish nation.

Troilus does not appear in the those peerages developed from Douglas through to Balfour’s early 20th Century revision of the Scots Peerage,[3] which was based on Douglas’ work and the intervening revisions by Wood. Douglas prepared a separate study of the Baronage of Scotland which contains an entry for the Montgomerys of Macbeth-hill including reference to Troilus Mongtomery. [4]

Douglas' Baronage includes a cross reference to an Addendum to his Peerage which adds a second son to Sir John Montgomery (d. 1430) as "Robert Montgomey of Giffin, of whom the Montgomeries of Magbyhill, &c., are defcended,"[5] with no mention of Troilus.

Douglas’ Baronage was not updated as were the various peerages. However, it is frequently referred to in subsequent histories. Another well regarded peerage by George Edward Cokayne[6] initially included baronies by tenure. Eventually these were excluded and there is no record for a Troilus Montgomery. The information from Douglas is often repeated without additional sources.[7]

Assertions and sources in Douglas' Baronage

The following is the record in Douglas' Baronage.

Extract of Douglas' Baronage, 1798

On the basis of two references (MSS. hist. of the family; Cart. in pub. archiv.), Douglas asserts the following, set in the context of documenting the Baronage of Macbeth-Hill in Peeblesshire:

  1. Troilus was one of seven sons, his older brother Adam was successor to his father;
  2. Troilus's father was Adam Montgomery of Giffen who lived in the reigns of James V and Queen Mary;
  3. Troilus married Janet, daughter of Sir Hugh Montgomery of Breadstane and had two sons;
  4. Troilus got for his patrimony the lands of Brimure which he sold to a Hamilton of Wishaw;
  5. Troilus is the progenitor of the family of MacBeth-hill; and
  6. William son of Troilus, born 1590, acquired the lands of Macbeth-hill, but died without issue and was succeeded by Troilus' second son Adam.[4]

Thomas Harrison (T. H.) Montgomery sets out his knowledge of the histories of the family Montgomery as he understood them in 1863.[8] From this it might seem that one source for Douglas may have been the "Montgomerie Manuscripts" compiled by William Montgomerie of Rosemount, Co. Down who died in 1706 but whose manuscript was first printed in 1820. This record, as Volume 1 of a later edition of these manuscripts expanded with additional research and notes, does not document a Troilus Montgomery.[9] Douglas cites the reference more fully as MSS. hift. of the family of Eglinton and Peerage indicating perhaps an earlier manuscript which is now lost. Douglas' sources have not been available to be tested.

Who were Troilus' parents and when was he born?

Are the children of Troilus those who are normally listed?

Did Troilus receive as his patrimony the lands of Brimure?

Was Troilus the progenitor of the Montgomerys of MacBeth-hill?

T.H. Montgomery

T. H. Montgomery lists the sources he is aware of in the introduction to his Genealogical History:

  • Montgomerie MSS - compiled by William Montgomerie of Rosemount, County Down. Grandson of Sir Hugh Montgomerie of Braidstane, Viscount of the Great Ardes who died in 1706 and printed in 1820.
  • Broomlands Manuscript - written by Hugh Montgomerie of Broomlands, Ayrshire not later than 1750. (not printed)
  • A Genealogy of the Family of Montgomerie, compiled from various authorities - by the late Captain John Hamilton Montgomerie, of Barnhill Co. Ayr.
    • These are known to T. H. Montgomery only through James Paterson's History of the County of Ayr.
  • A genealogical account of the Family Montgomerie, formerly of Brigend of Doon, Ayrshire, male and lineal representative of the ancient and noble families of Eglintoun and Lyle - compiled by William Anderson, Esquire Marchmont Herald, and printed in Edinburgh in 1859.[8]

The Montgomery Manuscripts

Footnote 2 of the Rev. George Hill.
Montgomeries. -- This surname is here so written according to the modernised orthography adopted in the first edition, from the commencement of the volume to page 169. In the original manuscript, however, the plural form of the surname was invariably written Montgomerys, a spelling from which the author never appears to have deviated. In such of his manuscripts as are still preserved, the surname is always Montgomery in the singular number and Montgomerys in the plural. In a letter of the author to his kinsman, William Montgomery, of Gransheogh, dated November, 1701, he says:-- "I wold have your son take notice, that our sirname, in ye the pattents of our family, and in ye acts of parliament, both of England, and Ireland, and in all printed books, historys, and others, in our three kingdoms, (wch I can show your,) is spelled as I subscribe it, as divers gentlemen of estate doe, and as the count Montgomery, in Normandy, did, and yet doth, as I have prooved in a paper I wrot to that purpose, and concerning ye rectifying of ye subscription of sirnames; of wch many persons have heedlessly taken upon custom to write them ye wrong way, wch imports an ignorance occasioned by carelessness." In the text we have the simple but comprehensive title prefixed by the author to his Manuscripts.[10]

Footnote 5 of Rev. George Hill.
Any ways learne. -- It is supposed that there had existed at Eglinton Castle a MS. account of the Montgomery family in Scotland, which was destroyed when that old pile was burnt by the Cunninghams, in 1528. Our author's work, therefore, on this subject, is the earliest existing attempt to illustrate the family history, and it is especially valuable, because treating of persons who came within the reach of his personal knowledge, and events that had occurred during the period of his own life. Since these memoirs were written, the following compilations have been made, intended by their authors chiefly to illustrate the genealogical history of the Montgomerys:--

  1. Hugh Montgomerie, of Broomlands, in the parish of Irvine, compiled, prior to the year 1760, what is known as the Broomlands Manuscript, containing records of the Montgomery family from an early period. The author of this work, which is still in MS., died in 1766, aged eighty years.
  2. John Hamilton Montgomery, of Barnahill, in the county of Ayr, who was captain in the 76th regiment, wrote a Genealogy of the Family of Montgomery, compiled from various authorities, which also remains in manuscript. -- Paterson, Account of the Parishes and Families of Ayrshire, vol. ii., p. 229, note.
  3. Mrs. E. G. S. Reilly printed for private circulation, in 1842, A Genealogical History of the Family of Montgomery, comprising the lines of Eglinton and Braidstane in Scotland, and Mount-Alexander and Grey-Abbey in Ireland. This lady was the daughter of the Rev. Hugh Montgomery of Rosemount, who died in 1815, and a descendant, through John Gransheogh, in common with the author of the Montgomery Manuscripts, in the Braidstane line.
  4. William Anderson printed at Edinburgh, in 1859, A Genealogical Account of the Family of Montgomerie, formerly of Brigend of Doon, Ayrshire, male and lineal representative of the ancient and noble families of Eglinton and Lyle. This account commences only with the commencement of the sixteenth century.
  5. James Fraser published, at Edinburgh, in1859, two volumes 4to, entitled, Memorials of the Montgomeries Earls of Eglinton. This is a most valuable work, principally because in it are printed many original letters, charters, and marriage contracts. The letters contain much important information on public as well as family affairs, between the years 1170 and 1728.
  6. Thomas Harrison Montgomery published, at Philadelphia, in 1863, A Genealogical History of the Family of Montgomery, including the Montgomery Pedigree, -- a work which contains much information respecting the families of this surname who emigrated to the United States. In his preface, the author says:-- "Many years ago, my attention was drawn to the examination of records and doings of the generations of the Montgomerys, immediately preceding that one which came to America. This was due chiefly to the perusal of documents and papers brought from Scotland to this country by the first one of the family who crossed the ocean. William Montgomery, of Brigend, now more than one hundred and sixty years ago, came with his wife and children, and settled in the province of East New Jersey, on the lands of his father-in-law, who was one of its largest proprietors. He brought, with much care, many valuable manuscripts relating to his ancestry, the majority of which are preserved by his representative at this day; many are undoubtedly missing, as no special attention seemed to be paid to their preservation by his descendants, until within the last thirty years."[11]

Memorandum—It is observed and said by Mr. Ja. Montgomery, y* young laird of langshaw (ftnte: Laird of Lanshaw - See p. 350 supra.) (who hath a good imploym in the Courts of Judicature in Scotland, and is richly married in Edin burgh ), that gen"7 the Montgomerys of that kingdom (especially y* Cadetts of familys) have raised themselves by lands or togher goods(ftnte: Togher goods. - see p. 377. supra) ( i.e. , marriage portions) gotten by women whom they wedded, it seems when born they have been wrapped in their mothers smocks, but that good fortune hath not so universally happened to our Surname in Ireland, [12]

From the date of the first viscount's death, in 1636, until the death of the first earl , in 1663, the times were indeed troubled. Subsequently to the latter date, the fortunes of the family had greatly declined, and the means of erecting costly monuments, even if there had been the desire to do so, no longer existed. Probably the same cause prevented also the Scottish branches of the family from the erection of monuments ; as, of all the once numerous and potent houses of this surname in Ayrshire, or rather in the district of Cunningham , not one such is known to exist, save that which was erected in 1637 by Sir Robert Montgomerie of Skelmorlie, in the church of Largs. The family vault of Eglinton is beneath the parish church, and precludes, therefore, the idea of any monumental display. But it is a fact still more remarkable, that no lettered stones remain in the burial places of that district to mark the graves of humbler members of the clan. Not even in the church or churchyard of Beith is there a monumental trace of the family of Braidstane, or Giffen , or Hessilhead, or Bogstown, or Craighouse. [13]

James Paterson, History of Ayrshire

John Montgomerie of Eagleshame having married Elizabeth, heiress of Sir Hugh, the Giffen property remained in the possession of the Montgomeries of Eglinton for several centuries. The barony seems to have been regarded as the messuage of the Master or heir apparent of Eglinton. "John, first Lord Montgomerie, gave this estate to his second son, Robert, and who was succeeded in it by his desendants. As, however, there appears a charter of date 1452, in which the Laird of Giffen is distinctly called William Montgomerie, it should seem that either the estate (as from its extent it might well) was parcelled out among different branches of the family or, like to the titles in a German principality, all the branches used them in common. However this may be, it is certain that the whole was resumed by their chief, Hugh, first Earl of Eglinton, who, in 1505 had it all comprehended in a special charter to himself, dated at Stirling on 23 of April that year. After this, it was a different times given off, as a portion to yhounger branches of the Eglinton family: as in the reign of Queen Mary, when Hugh, the third Earl, gave Giffen to his second son, Robert, who failing of male issue, it returned again to the main house, where it remained till Alexander, the sixth Earl, gave it to his second son, Sir Henry Montgomerie of Giffen; and falling back again for want of male issue, it was finally alienated by Hugh, the seventh Earl of Eglinton, to his second son Francis Montgomerie of Giffen; prior to the year 1669, the year in which the Earl died. This gret lordship included originally, besides Giffen of the present day, the lands of Hessilhead, Broadstone, Ramshead, Trearne, and Roughwood, extending in all to 3788, 9s. 10d. of valuation; which is considerably more than half the valued rent of Beith Parish.[14]

IV. Alexander Montgomerie of Giffen, the eldest son, died before 23d April, 1505. In Douglas' Baronage, this Alexander is confounded with Alexander Montgomerie of Braidstane, who was alive in 1595, the date of the royal charter to Hugh, Lord Montgomerie, of the barony of Giffen, which was recognosced and regranted. His issue, it appears from Douglas' Baronage, did not succeed to Giffen, and acquired other properties: --
1. Troilus Montgomerie. He was living in 1538, when he was witness to a deed of Jonet Montomerie, widow of James Wallace of Carnell. In the Baronage, Troilus is made son of Adam, and grandson of Alexander: but there is no evidence of Adam's existence, and dates are against it. The Baronage also makes Troilus a contemporary of James VI., which must be a mistake, as he was witness to a deed by Jonet Montgomerie, widow of James Wallace of Carnell, dated 6th January, 1538.* Another error in Douglas' Baronage, with regard to him, is the statement of his having married the daughter of Sir Hugh Montgomerie of Braidstane, who did not marry till 1787, and that his sons by her were born respectively in 1590 and 1598! A farther blunder occurs in the Baronage as to the time this family became possessed of Macbie-hill. It is there said that the eldest son of Troilus, called William, born in 1590, acquired the property, and left it to his brother; but we find, from unquestionable authority, that
2. Robert Montgomerie of Macbie-hill, who got a charter of legitimation, dated 4th March, 1531, for his two natural sons, William and John, possess these lands in 1548; and he and John Montgomerie, on the 20th and 21st November, 1543, found Gilbert, Earl of Cassillis, surety for underlying the law, &c., for abiding from armies of the Queen. His lawful issue appears to have been a son,

Robert, who succeeded him. Robert Montgomerie of Macbie-hill appears to have had issue --
1. Adam, who is the first laird of Macbie-hill mentioned in the Retours, whose son, Robert, died before 27th July, 1655.
2. Agnes, married George Montgomerie, fourth son of Robert Montgomerie of Skelmorlie and one of the family of Kirktonholm, who was living 28th June, 1611.[15]


Footnote p. 288.
A very ancient seal of this branch of the Montgomeries of Giffen is in possession of Captain J. H. Montgomerie, Edinburgh, which belonged to the Knockewart family. It cam by a daughter of Scotston, who married an ancestor of Captain Montgomerie's. It is the same as the arms of Sir Grahame Montgomerie of Stanhope, only it is differenced in the centre of the cross by "ane anchor," which shows a brotherly difference, and indicates that Patrick's father was a younger brother; an the crescents in the cross are in the extremity, as in the Macbie-hill arms.[16]

3. The Rev. Robert Montgomerie, minister of Stirling: afterwards, between 1581 and 1589, Archbishop of Glasgow; and latterly minister of Symington, is stated, in the "Chronicle of Scots Poetry," to have been probably one of this family. [Hessilhead] The editor of that work thinks that some religous poems were written by a Robert Montgomerie, who he presumes, is identical with this clergyman. It is said he declared, when minister at Symington, that he was a happier man than when Archbishop of Glasgow -- an observation which is calculated to give a favourable impression of his state of mind in his latter years, as he seems to have resigned his grandeur without regret.[17]

IV. James Wallace of Carnell who, as previously mentioned, was, in 1527, amerciated for intercommuning with the sheriff of Ayr, then at the horn for the slaughter of the Earl of Cassillis. In the records of Prestwick, he is mentioned in the following minute:-- "July 17, 1531. Quo die, James Wallace, Lard of Carnell, comperand in jugement, askyt to be enterit be ane breve of fawore, as use of burghts ys, to vij akeris of medow, layand wtin. ye boundis&fredome of ye said burght, as nerest & lanchful ayr to wmquyl Adame Wallace of Carnel, his grandsr., to be haldin of ye and burght in feu ferme, payand zerly: [left blank]. From original papers in the possession of Lieutenant Fullarton of Overton, he appears to have married Janet Montgomerie, probably of Giffen, by whom he had his successor:-- "June 6, 1538, "Jonet Montgomery, relict of vinqle James Wallace of Carnall," grants a discharge to "ane honorable man, Mongo Mure of Rowallane," of a certain sum, "for ye completing of ye marriage of Hew Wallace of ye Carnell, my soun, wt. Isabel Mure, dochter to the said Mongo," &c. To this document, Troilus Montgomerie, second son of Adam Montgomerie of Giffen, is a witness. From this document, we learn that James Wallace of Carnale died before 1538, and that his son and successor was
V. Hew Wallace of Carnell.[18]

Foortnote p. 229
The Broomlands manuscript, from which the above extract is taken, was composed by Hugh Montgomerie of Broomlands, about 1750. The earlier portion of it is presumed to have been gleaned from some ancient record of the family, a fragment of which may have escaped the general destruction of the evidents of Eglintoun in 1528, when the castle was consumed by fire in a foray led on by the Master of Glencairn. In a "Genealogy of the Family of Montgomerie, compiled from various authorities by the late Captain J. H. Mongtomerie, 76th Regiment, formerly of Barnahill, in the County of Ayr," the MS. of which was kindly placed in our hands for some time by the author, the origin of the Montgomeries is traced back to the Counts of Hiemes, a territory in Lower Normandy forming part of the ancient Armorica, "who were hereditary before the reign of Pepin, who ascended to the throne of France, in the year 749." Much of the writer's data is infreential, consequently it may be doubted, still his deductions are extremely probable.[19]

Th last sheet of this work was on the eve of being sent to the press when a gentleman called from America. He said he had seen the account of the "Montgomeries of Brigend" in the fourth part of Vol II., and it was, in a main fact, incorrect -- the family being still in existence, and not extinct, as represented. In asserting that the Brigend Montgomeries were extinct, we followed Robertson, and had been misled by the Broomland MS. From the facts now in our possession, the real descent of the family appears to stand thus:--
I. William Montgomerie of Brigend, of the Lainshaw branch of Montgomeries, "who is presumed to have married Jean Montgomerie, heiress of Brigend."* He had issue, four sons, as mentioned in the History of the County. John, the eldest, married, not Agnes Scot, but Elizabeth Baxter. According to the marriage contract -- which is much destroyed by damp, or otherwise -- it appeared that the marriage took place in 1626. In that document he is styled eldest "son of William Montgomerie of Brigend," and his spouse, "Elizabeth Baxter, dochter laufull of umqle. Thomas Baxter." . . . Amongst others, "Adam Montgomerie of Magbe, and William Weddro, writer in Glasgow," gave their consent to the union. John died before his father, leving issue by his wife, Elizabeth Baxter, the eldest of whom, Hew, succeeded his grandfather..[20]

Timothy Pont

Introductory observations>br/> Respecting the public records of the district Cunningham, some regret may perhaps be felt that no distinct account has here been given of them. They possess hardly any historical interest'; and, with the exception of those of the royal burgh of Irvine, none of them are of an earlier date than about the middle of the seventeenth century. The records of the old district Baily Court have latterly been removed to the General Register House in Edinburgh, the jurisdiction of the court being now united to that of the Sheriff and his substitutes. The records of the presbytery of Irvine -- which till very recently included the entire district -- as now preserved, begin only in the year 1646, nor from that time are they altogether complete, some volumes being lost.[21]

George Robertson, Topographical Description of Ayrshire

VII. JOHN DE MONTGOMERY of Eagleshame, Eglinton, and Ardrossan, succeeded to his father soon after 1392. In 1423 he was one of the hostages for the ransom of James I., at which time his revenue is set down at 700 merks, whilst that of Hamilton is rated at 400, and of Gordon at 400. In 1429 he appears among the Lords in Parliament. Nisbet says he was advanced to that dignity in 1427. He married Margaret, daughter of Sir Robert Maxwell of Caerlavrock. From the second son of this marriage are descended the Montgomeries of Stanhope and of Macbeth-hill, the eldest Cadets of the family. The Glencairn and the Kilmarnock families, are descended from his two daughters. He was succeeded by his eldest son,

IX. ALEXANDER second LORD MONTGOMERY, who was in high consideration during the reigns of James I. and James II. and held several public offices or employments. He died about the year 1461 or soon after. He married Margaret, daughter of Sir Robert Boyd of Kilmarnock, by whom he had three sons and three daughters. From the second son, George, descended the Montgomeries of Skelmorley. The daughters were married: the 1st to the Earl of Lennox; the 2nd to Lord Kennedy; and the 3rd to Cunninghame of Glengarnock. His eldest son,
X. ALEXANDER, (Douglas calls him Andrew,) died before his father, in 1452. He married Elizabeth, daughter of Sir Adam Hepburn of Hales, and by her had issue, three sons and a daughter. Robert, the second, was ancestor to the Montgomeries of Braidstone, afterwards Earls of Mount Alexander; Hugh, the third son, was ancestor of the Montgomeries of Hazelhead -- both families are now extinct. The daughter was married to Lord [p. 209.] Home, at the time Laird of Lainshaw and other lands in the neighbourhood. The eldest son,
XI. ALEXANDER, succeeded his grandfather, and was third Lord Montgomery. In 1465 he had a Charter of the lands of Bonington and Pilton in the county of Edinburgh. He married Catherine, daughter of Lord Kennedy, by whom he had two sons; the second, James, was designed of Smithston. The eldest,
XI. HUGH, fourth Lord Montgomery, was born about the year 1460, was created Earl of Eglinton in 1507, and died in a good old age after the 3d Oct, in 1545, the last time he is mentioned in Parliament. In his time began the great feud betwixt the families of Eglinton and Glencairn, which seems to have been carried on with much animosity on both sides for more than 100 years, and attended with the loss of many lives. The first great exploit recorded was the sacking of the House of Kerelaw and carrying off the goods, by this Lord, for which he got a remission from the Crown, in Oct. 1488. This was one of the principal messuages belonging to the Earl of Glencairn. The Cuninghames do not seem to have been able at the time to retaliate, but they did not forget the visit; but treasuring it up in their minds till about 40 years after, they took their opportunity, and burnt the Castle of Eglinton to the ground, and with it all the papers and Charters. This appears in a new Charter granted in 1528 by James V. This Earl appears to have been implicated also in a feud against the Laird of Lochleven in Fife. In this he was joined with Lord Sempil, Sir Neil Montgomery, and Stirling of Keir and for which they were all included in a summons for treason, dated 21 st June 1526. Keir only was forfeited, as he was probably the principal in the transaction, but, in a short time after, was restored. The Earl married Lady Helen Campbell daughter of Colin Earl of Argyle, by whom he had issue, six sons: 1. Alexander, Master Montgomery, who died before his father was advanced to the dignity of Earl; 2. [p. 210.] John, Master of Eglinton; Sir Neil Montgomery the first of Lainshaw; 4. William of Greenfield, who married Elisabeth, the daughter of Robert Frances of Stane, by which he acquired that property near Irvine; 5 Hugh; and 6, Robert who in 1530, was the bishop of Argyle.
XIII. JOHN, Master of Eglinton, was keenly engaged also in feuds with the Cunninghames, particularly with Craigends, as appears in the Parliamentary Records in 1505, in which he is called ten different times to answer, but does not once think fit to appear -- but the matter seems to have afterwards accommodated. He was himself killed in Edinburgh, in the affray known by the name of "Cleanse the Causey," in April 1520. He married Elisabeth, daughter of Sir Archibald Edmonstone of Duntreath, by whom he had two sons: Archibald; 2. Hugh; and a daughter who married to Douglas of Drumlanrig, and from which marriage are descended the present families of Buccleugh and Queensberry.[22]

Two ministers - Robert Montgomery

There are two Robert Montgomerys who were ministers at the time Troilus witnessed documents. Robert, formerly rector of Kirkmichael, was bishop of Argyle from 1530 until his death in about 1557 or 1558.[23] A second Robert Montgomerie was Minister in Stewarton from 1589 at the latter end of his career. He was the third son of Hugh Montgomerie and was previously Archbishop of Glasgow,[24] The second Robert's ministry with the presbyterian assembly commenced in 1562.[25] Although he likely held positions before this. He continued at Stewarton until he was replaced in 1607.[26] If either of these ministers were the co-witnesser in 1527, it is perhaps more likely the bishop of Argyle who's posting in 1527 is the church of Kirkmichael in Annandale, which is said to belong to the Abbey of Kilwinning in Ayrshire.[27] It was this Robert, as Bishop of Argyll, who, on 2 May 1530 adjudicated the feud between the Montgomerys and the Boyds and pronounced the Decree Arbitral for the ensuing truce. Troilus does not feature in this event.[28]

Robert Montgomerie, Bishop of Glasgow

A Testament Testamentar and Inventory was lodged in the Glasgow Commissary Court by Mr Robert Montgomerie, Minister and person of Stewartoun on 4 April 1611.[29] Robert is arguably a kinsman and contemporary of Troilus although there must be some doubt whether he is the co-witness on the 1538 document. A Robert Montgomerie was Minister in Stewarton from 1589 at the later end of his career. He was the third son of Hugh Montgomerie and formerly Archbishop of Glasgow,[30] His formal ministry commencing in 1562[31] until he was replaced, presumably upon his death, in 1607.[32] He is not recorded as a Minister in 1527. If Robert the former Archbishop of Glasgow were to be the co-witnesser, he would have been a young minister at the time and one not covered by the sources sighted.

Scott - Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae

Robert Montgomerie M.A. of St Quivox

KILTEARN and LEMLAIR 1587
ROBERT MONTGOMERIE, M.A., pres. to vicarage 24th Jan. 1587-8 on death of John Sandilands. [Reg. Sec. Sig.,1v, 161.][33]
AYR 1594
ROBERT MONTGOMERIE, M.A., parson 9th Nov. 1594. [Cal. of Charters, xiv, 3296.][34]
KINNAIRD IN GOWRIE 1622
ROBERT MONTGOMERIE, M.A.; adm in 1622; trans, to St Quivox in 1633.[35]
SYMINGTON 1636
ROBERT MONTGOMERIE, M.A. (Glasgow 1617) ; adm. in 1636 ; deprived before April 1642.—[Syn. Boll, 1642.][36]
ST QUIVOX - 1636
ROBERT MONTGOMERIE, born 1597, eldest son of Adam M. of Macbie-hill, Ayrshire; educated at Univ. of St Andrews; M.A. (1618); adm. to Kinnaird in 1622 ; trans, and adm. 1636 ; died Nov. 1641. He marr. (1) (cont. 16th May 1616), Jean, daugh. of Sir James Lockhart of Lee: (2) Janet, daugh. of Alexander Hamilton of Grange; she survived him and had issue —Theodore of Pressbank and Lantoun in Barmore; Hew of Auchenhude, died July 1669 ; Robert ; Anna and Agnes.—[Ayr Sess. Reg. ; Glasg. Tests. ; G. R. Sas., xxi., 340; Ayr Sas., iii., 475.][37]
ROBERT MONTGOMERY, line 2, for "Adam M. of Macbiehill, Ayr shire"; read "Hew M. of Auchenhood."; Line 5, for "1636"; "1633".[38]

William Montgomerie of Stewarton and Ayr

IRVINE - ARDROSSAN 1573
WILLIAM MONTGOMERY, reader at Beltein 1573.[39]
STEWARTON 1574
WILLIAM MONTGOMERIE, elder, reader, 1574-88 ; called to St Cuthbert's, Edinburgh, 23rd Sept. 1586, but the translation was not carried out.—[Reg. Assig.; St Cuthbert's Sess. Beg.].
AYR 1582
WILLIAM MONTGOMERIE, pres. to .___ parsonage 20th June 1582 on death of Robert Herbertson. [Reg. Pres. Bene., i, 75.][40]

Hugh Montgomery of Dundonald

DUNDONALD 1562
HUGH MONTGOMERY, M.A., vicar 6th Jan. 1562-3 and 1568. [Cal. of Charters, ix, 1901; Comps. Sub Coll. of Thirds, Stirling, etc.][41]

Thomas Montgomery of Kirkmichael

KIRKMICHAEL 1606
THOMAS MONTGOMERY, died before 1606 25th May 1606.[42]
LOGIE 1607
THOMAS MONTGOMERIE, adm. in 1607 died between 4th April 1644 and 15th May 1645. He marr. a lady who survived him, and had issue -- James, bursar of Presb. in 1625.[43]

Robert Montgomery of Stewarton and Archbishop of Glasgow

LOCHGOILHEAD 1575
ROBERT MONTGOMERIE, arch-deacon of Argyll.[44]
CUPAR 1562
ROBERT MONTGOMERY, settled in the ministry (perhaps here) in 1562. He was requested by the Assembly 26th June 1564, to supply Largo every alternate Sunday until other provision should be made. A Commission was app. by the Assembly 27th Dec. that year regarding mutual complaints from him and the magistrates of Cupar; trans, to Dunblane in 1567.[45]
ROBERT MONTGOMERY, min., was among those thought fit by the General Assembly on 20th Dec. 1560 to be ministers and commissioners. [46]
DUNBLANE AND KILBRIDE 1567
ROBERT MONTGOMERY, trans, from Cupar, having Kilbride also in charge, in 1567 ; trans, to Stirling in 1572.[47]
EAST CHURCH 1572
ROBERT MONTGOMERY, trans, from Dunblane Aug. 1572 ; promoted to Archbishopric of Glasgow in 1581 (q.v.).[48]
SYMINGTON 1587
ROBERT MONTGOMERIE, formerly min. of Stirling and Archbishop of Glasgow; adm. in Feb. 1587 ; trans to Stewarton about 1589.[49]
STEWARTON 1589
ROBERT MONTGOMERIE, third son of Hugh M. of Hesselhead; was one of those thought " apt and able to minister" by the first General Assembly 20th Dec. 1560, and was settled, perhaps, at Cupar-Fife, in 1562. He was trans, to Dunblane in 1567, and to Stirling before Lammas 1572; promoted to archbishopric of Glasgow in 1581, but dep. before 28th April 1582 by General Assembly, who was however interdicted by the Privy Council from proceeding to carry this sentence out, 27th June 1582. The sentence was removed Feb. 1587, and he was adm. to Symington, Ayrshire, that year ; was archdeacon of Argyll ; in favour of his son-in-law ; trans, about 1589 dem. in 1607 died after 25th March 1609 and before April 1611. He marr. Beatrice Jamieson, and had issue —John of Sevenakers; Robert, to whom his father granted the stipend of Stirling, a gift which was revoked by the Privy Council 29th Oct. 1583; Elizabeth (marr. James Montgomery, min. of Dunlop another (marr. William Castlelaw, min. of this parish. [Bannatyne Miscell., ii. Baillie's Lett. ; Glasg. Tests. ; Reg. of Deeds, clxxx. 16, cxcvi. 27 ; Dict. Nat. Biog., xiii., 756.][50]
ROBERT MONTGOMERY, his daugh. Katherine.Italic text [Ayr Sas., 23rd July 1601, 30th Nov. 1606.][51]

James Montgomery of Kirkmichael and Stewarton

STEWARTON 1600
JAMES MONTGOMERY, M.A., son of Neil M. of Langschaw, pres. 18th June 1600 on dep. of Robert Montgomery.--[Reg. Sec. Sig., Ixxi, 228.][52]
KIRKMICHAEL 1606
JAMES MONTGOMERY, M.A. pres. to the vicarage by James VI. 25th May 1606 ; trans, to Dunlop after 2nd Feb. 1607.[53]
DUNLOP 1607
JAMES MONTGOMERY, third son of Sir Neil M. of Lainshaw and Margaret Cunningham; M.A. (Glasgow 1599) ; was on the Exercise 13th Nov. 1602 ; pres. to Kirkmichael 25th May 1606 ; trans. after 2nd Feb. 1607 ; died May 1613. He marr. 1605, Elizabeth, daugh. of Robert Montgomerie, min. of Stewarton ; she survived him, and had issue —Robert; James, colonel in Sweden. —[Reg. Assig. ; Reg. Sec. Sig. ; Glasg. Tests.][54]
JAMES MONTGOMERY, his widow, Elizabeth Montgomerie, marr. (2) Robert Brown, town clerk of Irvine.[55]

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KILMAURS 1567
WILLIAM KIRKPATRICK, min. in 1567; in 1574 Dunlop and Beith were also under his care; died July 1577. He marr. Alison Campbell, who survived him (marr. (2) Neill Montgomerie), and had issue —William; Martha. — [Reg. Min. ; Edin. Tests,; Reg. Sec. Sig., III., 44.][56]
GLASFORD 1795
PATRICK MACBETH, born Kilmadock, 1766, second son of John M., farmer ; educated at Univ. of Glasgow ; licen. by Presb. of Dunblane 24th March 1789; tutor in the family of Sir William Montgomery, Bart., of Macbie Hill, Peeblesshire; assistant at Kelso ; pres. by Archibald, Earl of Eglinton, and ord. 10th Sept. 1795 ; died unmarr., 22nd April 1832.[57]
TULLIALLAN 1673
ALEXANDER WILLIAMSON, licen. by George, Bishop of Edinburgh, 27th March 1665; pres. by Alexander, Earl of Kincardine, in April, and adm. 19th Aug. 1673 ; deprived by the Privy Council 25th Aug. 1689 for not reading the Proclamation of the Estates, etc. ; died at Edinburgh 19th Nov. 1701. He marr. Elizabeth Monteith, who died 15th Aug. 1726, aged 70, and had issue —Elizabeth, bapt. 2nd Oct. 1684 ; Eleanora, bapt. 31st July 1688; Anna, bapt. 21st Aug. 1689. Margaret, bapt. 27th Aug. 1686 (marr. George Montgomery of the family of Macbiehill) ; — [Greyfriars Burials ; bapt. 2nd Oct. 1684 ;Baron., 526.][58]


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