WTC 2023 Work Space 2 Interesting Finds

Date: 2023
Surname/tag: wikitree_challenge

Contents 1 Interesting Finds 1.1 Bourn-475 1.2 Heggie-235 1.3 Hill-53860 1.4 Ironside-953 1.5 Rumsey-639 1.6 Tart-95 or 梅-6 1.7 Tiedemann-168 2 Highlights Post 2.1 Interesting Finds 2.2 More Interesting Finds

Interesting Finds

List of interesting finds to share with the guest at the end of the week

Connection: James Bourn and Adelaide Ironside are connected at 9 degrees via the Oke family, Phillip James Oke and Eleanor Hellyer (Oke) Ironside) being siblings!

Connection: Adelaide Eliza Ironside (1831-1867) and Dora May (Tiedemann) Wicks (1901-1974) are eight degrees apart through Adelaide's mother's line connecting to Dora's mother's line. All 50+ profiles that I have added, starting with Adelaide's maternal grandfather, are also within seven degrees of Dora!

Bourn-475

• James Marsh & Elizabeth (Scott) Marsh (descendants of James Bourn) are listed as buried at Lone Graves in Forbes NSW, which lists only 3 memorials (I guess it's interesting as that's the lowest number I've ever see). I've requested this is added to Categorization. Ronald Bradford
• James Bourn and Adelaide Ironside are connected at 9 degrees via the Oke family, Phillip James Oke and Eleanor Hellyer (Oke) Ironside) being siblings! Thanks Barbara McAlary for finding the connection!
• James Marsh, of Marshdale,Eugowra, has cut from a gumtree near Mandagery Creek and the Lachlan River the record left by the explorer George W. Evans, June 15, 1815. It has been forwarded to the Sydney Museum. This tree stood as a record of exploration the farthest west for two years, until Surveyor Oxley, who made it his starting-point, went still farther down the Lachlan. He was blocked by flood waters, and reported an inland sea. (3 degrees from James Bourn) (Found initially in 2018 by Jean Little, reported by Veronica Williams Coat-12)

1. Lillian Mabel Nettleton She lived to be 101 years old! Jaeger-962 (6 degrees from James Bourne)
2. Elizabeth Nettleton She died in childbirth in 1865. The child lived. Jaeger-962

Heggie-235

1. Otto Peters and his brother Walter Peters caught the ship Claymore and headed from Adelaide to Darwin in July 1872. They were ready to set up a retail store just before the Overland Telegraph system was completed in August 1872. They were uncles of Oliver "Otto" Peters Heggie Sue Wyatt

Hill-53860

• Information on Jessie May Hill (1915-1995)'s female convict ancestors was found in her research held by the Society of Australian Genealogists.

1. Jess Hill's convict ancestors Isaac Payten and Susannah (Harrison) tried to escape the Colony in 1806/1807. Isaac was fined 50 pounds and imprisoned for 12 months until the fine was paid. Susannah was found 'not guilty' due to being 'under the influence of Isaac'. Acknowledgments to Heather Stevens who wrote their biographies during the week. Gillian Thomas
2. Isaac Payten's brother was also transported as a convict to New South Wales, arriving on the First Fleet but was hanged within a year for theft. Acknowledgments to Heather Stevens who wrote their biographies during the week. Gillian Thomas
3. Isaac Payten was a master stone mason and was contracted, along with William Watkins, to build the Female Factory at Parramatta. Acknowledgments to Heather Stevens who wrote their biographies during the week. Gillian Thomas
4. Nathaniel Payten (1801-1864), son of Isaac was also a stone mason, and with his partner James Houison, built many of the significant historical buildings in Parramatta. probably including the Parramatta Gaol and Court House. Acknowledgments to Heather Stevens who wrote their biographies during the week. Gillian Thomas
5. Flying Officer Frederic C Pinfold (1916-) was shot down and killed over Gladbeck, near Essen, Germany on 27th August 1942 in a Wellington Bomber. He was attached to the No. 5 Signal School. Craig Rayner
6. The Last Will & Testament of Charles Hughes (1797-1848) was written in 1847. He died in 1848. He listed his wife, all eight of his children (including a married daughter's names), and a friend and his wife. He left a cottage to his friend, Nicholas Newnham. Charles was a pub owner and a "licensed victualler" (able to sell alchohol). In his early life he was a tailor, exiled in Australia after robbing someone on the street in Middlesex, England.

Ironside-953

• Adelaide Eliza Ironside (1831-1867) was the grand daughter of convicts
• Adelaide Eliza Ironside (1831-1867) was not the only surviving child of James Ironside as stated on her death notice; she had half-siblings and her parents had separated.
• Joan Violet Sigrist (1929-1994) is 4 degree's from Adelaide Ironside, but was also Member of the Society of Australian Genealogists, and Cartographer for their systematic transcriptions of all Monumental Inscriptions at Rookwood Necropolis during the 1980s. She was also sadly orphaned at 4yrs of age. (Maree Evans Patroni-12)
• Arthur Henry Bray (1853 - 1942) "Grand Secretary of the United Grand Lodge of N.S.W., Ancient, Free and Accepted Masons". (4 degrees from Adelaide Ironside)

1. Maude Muriel Victoria Milgate (Lea) Wilkins (1913-1952) (grand-niece of Adelaide Eliza Ironside (1831-1867)) was fatally shot by her sister's husband, George Alexander Stewart (abt.1915-), after George suspected that Muriel was causing his wife, Hyacinth Milgate (Lea) Stewart (1913-1966), to be unfaithful. Hyacinth was also critically wounded in the attack but survived. He was allegedly sentenced to death in 1954.
2. After George Walker (1776-1829) died in 1829, his estate was supposed to be divided among his six children - 5 sons and 1 daughter. Apparently, the sons took over the running of the farm and the sister married and was given whatever dollar amount (the article says she got more than her brothers). She sued her brothers in 1862, a full 33 years later, because she felt she received less than her brothers. This is probably because she got money in 1829, but her brothers continued to profit off the farm because they were working it in the ensuing years. The article says she waited until after her mother died, but it was a brother that died; the mother lived another 8 years. If I am reading correctly, she lost the suit. Selvaggio-84 03:42, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Rumsey-639

• William Rumsey (1815-) went bankrupt which probably is why he moved from Coventry to Leamington Spa. He remarried after the death of his first wife and was found living in Millbrook, Southampton next to my relatives. (see Stephen Buckle (abt.1816-1889)) Hilary Gadsby
• William Spurgeon Rumsey (1857-1895) Died at sea. He was captain of the vessel Murton and having left from Grangemouth it never reached its destination in Germany.
• Charles Thomas Collins Accidentally shot himself dead at the age of 13. While drawing the gun from the box it was in, the gun accidentally discharged and shot him in the left breast. His parents returned within five minutes of the report of the gunshot to find him dead and his shirt-sleeve burning. Jaeger-962 (10 degrees from Rumsey)

Tart-95 or 梅-6

• Research by a historian of the Mei family in Toishan, Mei Weiqiang, and information gathered within the family, also suggests that Quong Tart was married (in absentia) to a Chinese woman and that one, perhaps, two sons were adopted in his name. (Source: Kate Bagnall, ‘The transational Chinese family in Australia’ ‘New migration histories’—Australian in the World seminar series University of Melbourne 18 September 2013, ) Danielle
• Moi Quong Tart's younger brother, Gong Yen, is known to have been financially supported by his brother until he later had business ventures in Hong Kong & became mayor of their village (Duanfen?). He also had at least nineteen children with five women. Koehnline-1
• August Carl Bowmast A global citizen - born in Poland a german national who became a New Zealander and married in Australia. Five degrees from 梅-6. (Liz (McIntosh) Macdonald)
• Robert Dalley Scarlett was a prolific composer, according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dalley-Scarlett Danielle (3 degrees from Quong Tart) (Danielle)
• Catherine (Strain) Foggo OAM (1907-2002) - I received a warning "A child's death date (Strain-1456 died 2002) should not be more than 170 years after their father's birth date (Strain-1454 born 1831) . This would mean that even if the father was 70 when his child was born, the child lived to be over 100." The child lived to be 95 and was born to a very elderly father, so yes the lives of two people spanned 171 years. (6 degrees from Quong Tart) (Danielle)

Tiedemann-168

• Jane Hewitt was the daughter of convict parents, she was only 13 years old when she married James Cribb in 1820 and 15 when their first child was born. She had 12 children with all birth certificates indicating James was their father. The last 3 children however were conceived and born after James died in 1841. DNA analysis is underway to identify the father/s of the last three children. (5 degrees from Dora). Veronica (Coat) Williams
• Jane Starkey - Mother of Jane Hewitt, is reported in the Chester Chronicle 1803 as having two brothers and a brother in law who had been hanged. (6 degrees from Dora) Veronica (Coat) Williams
• John Holden (abt.1808-1869) - A convict that was sentenced to life transportation for sacrilege (he robbed a chapel) at 21 years. Once in Australia his life had lots of hardships but he managed to overcome them and marry and raise 12 children. Maree Evans

Highlights Post

Interesting Finds

Hello WikiTreers! WikiTree Challenge #2 is now complete. We spent a fun and collaborative week working together to build up a massive list of ancestors based on the seven starting notables nominated by the Society of Australian Genealogists! We were challenged with finding the families of note-worthy Australians that originated in China, England, and Ireland. Once again our group of researchers did a fantastic job of tracking their ancestors and documenting them on WikiTree.

Challenge participants added more than 3,395 profiles to the seven starting people!! The highest amount of people were added to the Tiedemann line, which gained 569 profiles in one week! All of the seven lines were connected in unique ways to the global tree, with some being connected in multiple branches.

Altogether more than 65 WikiTreers made 14,597 edits to the profiles! Groups were quickly formed to tackle the more difficult lines, while some looked up articles, added categories, transcribed documents, and contributed in other ways.

MVP: Gillian Thomas

Top Bounty Hunter: Danielle Anonymous

Team Captain: Karen Lowe

All contributors ● Scoring explanation ● Research resources

More Interesting Finds

James Bourn (abt.1774-1852) started with only his wife and one child. We added 1,083 profiles to him, bringing his CC7 to 1,085!! He is connected with two of our researchers within 16 degrees, and is only 14 degrees from our partner's contact person, Veronica Williams! James Bourn and Adelaide Ironside, two of our starting people, are connected at 9 degrees via the Oke family, Phillip James Oke and Eleanor Hellyer (Oke) Ironside) being siblings! Joan Violet Sigrist (1929-1994) is 4 degree's from Adelaide Ironside, but was also Member of the Society of Australian Genealogists, and Cartographer for their systematic transcriptions of all Monumental Inscriptions at Rookwood Necropolis during the 1980s. She was also sadly orphaned at 4yrs of age. Robert Dalley Scarlett was a prolific composer. He was a founding member of the Music Teachers' Association of Queensland, and its president in 1935. Jane Hewitt was the daughter of convict parents, she was only 13 years old when she married James Cribb in 1820 and 15 when their first child was born. She had 12 children with all birth certificates indicating James was their father. The last 3 children however were conceived and born after James died in 1841. DNA analysis is underway to identify the father/s of the last three children. While working on Catherine (Strain) Foggo OAM (1907-2002) a warning was received: "A child's death date (Strain-1456 died 2002) should not be more than 170 years after their father's birth date (Strain-1454 born 1831) . This would mean that even if the father was 70 when his child was born, the child lived to be over 100." The child lived to be 95 and was born to a very elderly father, so yes the lives of two people spanned 171 years.