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Topics Teams | Wales Buildings Team

Topics Teams Coordinator: Stuart Awbrey

Buildings Team Leaders: Steve Bartlett | Jutta Beer

Buildings Team Members: Joann Hanmer |Diane Matthews

Contents

Goals

The goal is to reveal Wales buildings which display its history and creativity.
Identify people/profiles related to each building.
Buildings are listed on Wales Buildings.

Adding a Building Page Notification

Review Wales Topics Teams Guidelines
Post a message on Wales Discord # topics channel or in Comments below.
Please advise if you are developing a space page for a building.

The Building Page Formatting

Team Links

These links should be included at the top of the page:
[[Space:Wales_Topics_Team|Topics Teams]] | [[[[Space:Wales_Buildings_Team|Wales Buildings Team]]

Listing Format for Wales Buildings

On the Wales Buildings page the listing should include:
- the building's name (title on space page)
- location (historic county as a minimum)
- managed by (insert Wiki ID of the manager).
- If it is a Listed Buildings include its Grade Level:
- I – buildings of exceptional, usually national, interest
- II – particularly important buildings of more than special interest
- III – buildings of special interest which warrant every effort being made to preserve them
Example: John Summers Steel Works - Shotton, Flintshire - a Grade II Listed Building - managed by Barb Mead

Categories

The recommended building type categories are listed here: Category: Wales, Buildings.
Location categories should be included: see Category:Wales

Adding Relevant People/Profiles

A desired addition is to list people that are relevant to a building such as owners, occupants, etc.
Create an appropriate header such as ==People== and add the person’s name or profile link

Sources Related to the Building

Consider adding the sources for the information on the page.
Add the header ==Sources== and list the source information as done on a profile.
If the page includes inline references, include <references /> under ==Sources==.

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  • Private Messages: Contact the Profile Managers privately: Stuart Awbrey and Richard Devlin. (Best when privacy is an issue.)
  • Public Comments: Login to post. (Best for messages specifically directed to those editing this profile. Limit 20 per day.)
  • Public Q&A: These will appear above and in the Genealogist-to-Genealogist (G2G) Forum. (Best for anything directed to the wider genealogy community.)


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I've just come across a building which doesn't quite fit any of the categories above but it is identified as a historic building (dating back to at least 1610) by Coflein and the property has Grade II listing since 1966 as a "linear gentry farmhouse". It is named as "The Great House, Pendine, Carmarthenshire" - not to be confused with the Big House, up the road! It's not entirely clear what's 'great' about it nor does it seem that grand. I stumbled upon it as it looks as if I descend from the James/Rees families mentioned as occupants in the 18th and early 19th centuries.

https://coflein.gov.uk/en/site/17402/ https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/300009408-the-great-house-and-attached-outbuildings-pendine#.YjnuiS971KM

I'll attempt to create a Space page

Alun

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Alun Edwards
Hi Alun,

Thanks for your participation. I have reserved this building for you under Historic Houses. Let me know when it is finished and the link will be added.

Stuart

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Stuart Awbrey
Thanks Stuart. I'll write a piece into the form that Steve created and keep you informed. In cricket terms, I'm pleased to get Carmarthenshire off the mark.
posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Alun Edwards
Depending on the format you plan to use. Most space pages start from here - https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?action=newspace

That link is found on profile pages under the "Add" drop down menu; look for "New Thing." No idea where that came up with that label.

Here is a help page I created - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Wales_Resources_Creating_A_Free-Space_Page

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Stuart Awbrey
edited by Stuart Awbrey
Hi Alan,

I am creating a Category for this. Not sure whether you have seen the Wikidata Q29488192?

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Steve Bartlett
edited by Steve Bartlett
Great - Many thanks, Steve. At my level of ignorance, I don't know what Wikidata Q29488192 is or how I might have seen it :).

Alun

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Alun Edwards
We all started somewhere!!

Wikidata is a Wiki site that collects data from a host of other sites. On a Wikipedia page there are all sorts of things down the left hand side. For instance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendine. About half-way down it says "Wikidata item". Click on this and you will gat to the Wikidata page for Pendine, with its Qnumber, Q3403473. Scroll down this and you will find all sorts of links, including, right at the bottom the link to the Wikitree Category. You might be interested in working through https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Wales_Categorisation. These are a few pages of explanations on Categorisation which includes reference to Wikidata

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Steve Bartlett
Please remove all these until they have correct locations. If Joann needs help, I'd be delighted to do it, but her creation of postcode locations etc. is wrong.

I will create a category for each church, and add Joann's Space Page to the category. If Joann opens them to me I can correct them. Profiles are added to Categories NOT to Space Pages, although, of course, they can be linked.

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Steve Bartlett
Please forward your suggestions for location to me and I will corect it.

I have linked profiles onto the Space Page to create an easy overview. I do not want to complicate everything for those looking for relatives. I work with church profiles to make the information in my photos of gravestones available to the general public. Maybe Wikitree is the wrong place to do this. I want the Church profiles to be useful. A page that can be a stepping stone to more information, and not just a duplicate of what's to be found on wikipedia or a google search. Then there would be little reason to spend so many hours creating church profiles, if people could actually just as easily google a few details about the church building. Beside I find this a useless waste of time on wikitree.

I am trying my best to add all the profiles for the burials to categories and Steve have been an absolut star helping creating categories for this. So there is now links to the profiles both in the categories and on each church page, which I find useful. In any case, the links certainly do no harm. In my view they are the beef on the Space Pages. It's all down to personal preferences I guess, but I had hoped wikitree would be the place to support the creativity of individual members as long as it's well backed up by good sources and can be useful for anyone doing family research. I know my Space Pages work as I have on several occations been contacted by people who have found relatives when looking in on the church pages. It might not be the Space Page standard some of you category wizzards would create, but it works, and it is USEFUL. And that is giving me joy. As what I enjoy most about the whole process is to be outdoors with the camera visiting churches, I will be quite happy just providing the photos if someone else wanted to create church space pages and person profiles and categories and get little yellow star stickers for the fridge door, or whatever makes them buzz.  ;o)

Just send me a private message and I'll go snapping those photos.

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Joann Hanmer
edited by Joann Hanmer
Thanks Joann,

As anticipated, review of the first one on this list resulted in some modifications to the Historic Buildings page.

I will add these as time allows.

Meanwhile, please add to the top of each of the pages this coding: Topics Teams | Wales Historic Buildings Team

Stuart

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Stuart Awbrey
edited by Stuart Awbrey
Thanks Stuart. Could you please put down the exact coding you want me to add for these pages ?

I am no coding wizz so need exact examples of what needs to go in the editing.

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Joann Hanmer
Don't know how to display codes in Comments. The coding is now on this page under heading "Space Page Formatting"
posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Stuart Awbrey
Thanks Stuart. They have now gone onto each Space Page as you requested

Jo

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Joann Hanmer
The churches have been added. The listing link uses the name of the church which sometimes differs from the title on the space page.

You did a lot of work.

Thanks again, Stuart

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Stuart Awbrey
What a great idea to have a page like this ! Thanks for setting this up.

I am working on quite a few churches in Wales and will continue to do so. Are we meant to add the profiles to the list on this page as we go along ?

Jo

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Joann Hanmer
Thanks Joann,

I lost over 80% of my saved emails couple of months ago. Found one of yours today. Will write soon.

We want to be flexible about the definition and the format for listings is new. For now it would be best to post new page links in Comments to facilitate analysis.

Stuart

posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Stuart Awbrey
The CPAT link on Cathedine Church is not working.
posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Stuart Awbrey
I will do a Category CIB for it and link to your Space Page
posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Steve Bartlett
Thanks Steve, here is the ID, Space:Castell-y-Mynach_-_Creigiau%2C_Cardiff
posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Diane Matthews
I would be interested in contributing to Castell-y-mynach, Creigiau, Cardiff, which is listed as Grade II in British Listed Buildings.
posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Diane Matthews
You should do it as a page for it does not appear on a WikiTree search
posted on Wales Historic Buildings Team (merged) by Stuart Awbrey