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Saddleback Valley Trails

South Orange County California Genealogical Society
Vol. 17 No. 2
P.O. Box 4513, Mission Viejo, CA. 92690
February 2010
Editor: Mary Jo McQueen
SOCCGS is not affiliated with the LDS Family History Center.
President's Message
~Sandy Crowley
This month I would like to share some info about my Woodall ancestors. I pick up this line in Georgia, then through Alabama, Mississippi, and on to Texas. The eldest that I can find is Selfnire (sp?) Woodall, a Cherokee Indian who married a white woman. He was born about 1770 in Georgia, probably Putnam County. Their son, Zephaniah Woodall, was born in 1792 in Georgia and married Lavinia (“Viney”) Vest. The families moved to Alabama, where Zephaniah and Viney’s son, Zephaniah Harvey Woodall, was born.
Zephaniiah married a woman who was half-Cherokee. From what I read, they moved to Mississippi, where he became a well-liked sheriff. While in Mississippi, his son, Rufus Woodall, was born. Rufus was about 10 years old during the Civil War, and told of his vivid memories of Yankees riding through town and taking their only cow. His mother was ill from childbirth and the family begged the soldiers to leave the cow to feed their new little brother. They took the cow, and baby and mother died. Rufus was very angry about this until he died. (The Civil War was, I think, the worst war we, as a country, have been through. So many losses, and tragic stories on both sides of the war.) Zephaniah retired to Hillsboro, Hill County, Texas and several of his adult children, including Rufus, went along. He, Rufus, and others of this Woodall family are buried in the oldest cemetery in Hillsboro, Texas. Rufus and his wife, Martha Leona Anderson, had my grandmother, Ruby Earl Woodall in 1893 in Kirby, Texas, a small town outside Hillsboro. Kirby no longer exists.
There are few historic items left in this family. Very few pictures survived, and the Bibles, letters, etc. are also gone. These families came across the south at a time when it was Indian Territory; wars were fought across the areas, and the small wooden houses they built were easily destroyed. There were certainly no churches and courthouses on many corners during this time. It is hard to find surviving records. While my grandmother was growing up, her house burned twice after someone placed the metal coal shuttle on the back porch and it sparked, igniting the house. The Woodalls are just one of several lines of my ancestors who came to Texas.


Hamilton-County-Pioneers

William Woodall, father of Daniel Washington Woodall, served throughout the four years of the war, including the action at Lookout Mountain and Missionary Ridge. He told of riding on horseback from Lookout Mountain to Missionary Ridge and was stopped by a Yankee who cursed him but let him ride on. He fought in one of the last major battles of the war near Richmond for 20 straight hours and had a number of horses shot from under him. A naturalist and animal lover, he bemoaned the loss of each horse. He hid in a tree at the end of the war to escape capture and walked toward Decatur for three months until his shoes had worn away and his clothes were in tatters. William Woodall married Ellen Means, whose father, John Means, was born in Tennessee and married Dorcas Ann Kennedy, another Tennessee native. The Means family was originally from near Charlotte, N.C. William Woodall was a son of John Woodall, who was born in Georgia in 1799. John Woodall and his brother, Zephaniah Woodall, came to Alabama at about the time it was being formed into a state (1819).
They hailed from near Milledgeville, Ala. The Woodall brothers married 'two Vest sisters, who were believed to be the daughters of Valentine Vest, who lived near Milledgeville. Mrs. Roy Roberts said the Woodalls had Indian blood.
Excerpt from Hamilton-County-Pioneers Article
Death Certificate on Danial Woodall showing Roy Roberts as informant and William Woodall as father.

Letter from Indian Agent Hugh Lawson Montgomery (1767-1852)

June 1817
Cherokee country that became Hall County
Description of people living in Indian territory - Hall Co in 1817. Holly Barton and Henry Barton are mentioned. Also, they are living close to John Sr and John Jr Abbercrombie - Holly in 1820 Census in Capt. Abbercrombie's District
In 1817, Hugh Montgomery, later an Indian agent for the State of Georgia, was paid 16 dollars for a journey down the Chattahoochee River to what is now Hall, Gwinnett, and Fulton counties. This was freshly ceded Indian land full of white intruders and Montgomery’s job was to notify them they had to report to authorities. He mentions seeing persons listed in a deposition concerning intruding, whom he reported to governor William Rabun, saying he had advised them to return to Georgia to face inquiries. He begins:
3rd July 1817
Sir I have just Returned from the Frontiers & have Down to give you the names of the white persons (heads of Familys) who I find living on the Indian lands adjacent to this County. Let it be Remembered that I did not visit the South west Side of the County, I had no expectation before I set out that any person had Settled over the appalatchee, when I got to the Hog mountain I learnt that the persons named in the Deposition sent to you were all in that Quarter & that they had been all advised to Return before the Depositions were forwarded to you & had Refused. I had a Right to believe that the names of all were sent you, I was also informed that most of them had either moved in or were about to Remove with the exception of a John Camp& a few others.
He then includes a long list of names of white intruders living on Indian lands  from Suwanee Old Town, down past Stone Mountain to the Standing Peachtree and perhaps Buzzard's Roost on the river. He has informed some of them that they are subject to inquiries in the State of Georgia and some have indicated they will take care of the problem. Most indicated they will ignore the government.
I then turned up the North west side of the County & the following are the persons I find on the Indian Lands in that Quarter together with the  Relative Situations in which they live viz between the Stone Mountain& Chatahoochee River, are Silas McGrady, John Steen, & James Steen Senr.& Clanton Steenin the Settlement Called  Raferses Settlement& on both sides of Chatahoochee are James Steen Junr.  John Rogers, John Difoor, a man by the name of Bill, two men by the name of  Bagwell, John Woodall William Woodall Thomas Woodall, & another Woodall given name not known', & Tabitha Harper a widow Parker Collens, Jonathan Gray, & William Harden above the mouth of Suwanee are William Garner Warren Young John Tidwell, & Austin Dobbs, at & near the mouth of Big Creek are John  Mires Thomas Dasset, John Dasset, Obediah Light, James Smith & Robert Smith Junr., at & near the mouth of the Flowery Branch are Bud Mullins, Robert Smith Senr, & Thomson McGuire at & near the Ferry are John Lessly, Danl May,  Caleb Mosely, Benjn  Murry, John Gathard, John Wilson& Hugh Wilson, on Flat creek areSimon Strickland, Sion Strickland Irvin Strickland, Lazeras Strickland, Lewis Crow, Sion Crow, & Richard Litteral, and near the Chestetee are Freeman Averbee Danl. Short, Noah Langly, John Martin, & Jese Martin & at and above the Shallowford are William Staker, William Baity, a man by the name Mason, an other by the name of Hainsan other by the name of Hawkins, & John Wagoner, James Abercrombi a Senr Abercrombi Abercrombi a Junr Benjm Morris, Henry Morris, John Diffy, Henry Barton, Holly Barton, Widow & George Davis. I did not see all of them, but the greater part of those that I did, promised to Come in, Some few will, Say about one in ten, the ballance will not.
Now Montgomery changes the tone of his letter, he begins commenting on the whole idea of white intruders and Indians living together and the morality thereof:
…there are a great many Shifts which those people make to get settling on those Lands Some Rent of Indians or Mixed Bloods others Settle Down on Such place as pleases them & get Some stroling Vagabond Indian to live or Stay with them, they Call themselves his Croppers, he is to hunt & they Cultivate the Ground, they find him a Gun & amunition  they have the meat & he the Skins, but it often so turns out that he has two Haggskins  for one Dearskin, & this accounts for the Frontier people loosing so many of their Haggs  as they do -- others (if possible) More Lax in their Morrels & Still Less Delicate in their taste will Kiss a Squaw for the privallage of their Land & Range, he then becomes a Landlord he has his Croppers, Tenants, & Hirelings &c. thus a whole Settlement Claim under him, and what seems more abominable then all is that others give their Daughters to the Indian fellows for the privallage of Living in their Country themselves, of this Last & and worst Class are John Tidwell & Noah Langly the Former has given four of his Daughters to Indian fellows for Wives & the Latter two thus a Motly Race are propigating  fast verry fast on the Chatahoochee & its waters –      
I Should like to know how far the Individual Indians have a Right to Rent or Lease Lands, my own impressions are that Indians have not a principle tittle to any Lands, that theirs is a mere occupant claim, that they are tenants at the will of the Government, the Treaty Reserves the Lands to them for their Hunting grounds, it prohibits all Citizens of the U. S, or other persons from Settling on them with out permits from the Agent of Indian affairs, those people have no permits they are not Indians altho Some of them try to look & act like them, & it seems that to get foothold in the Nation by any of their ways which I have Described has all the effect of taking the Indian Black Drink, it makes them inimical to every person who Does not  ware a Long hunting Shirt & mockisins or a Match Coat & Smell like Tainted Dearskins  & I think I am warranted in saying that If the Comrs. fail of success in the present Treaty it will be in not intirely to the Clamours of those fellows Seconded by a few of the Mixed Bloods, the spurious product of those Disgracefull & unnatural Matches.
I am Sir very Respectfully your Obt Humbl Servnt  H Montgomery 

Family 4 John married Judith Sampson

Poindexter Indian Claims

Re: The Poindexter Cherokee application #664 By Douglas Phelps February 28, 2001 at 01:28:10 In reply to: Re: The Poindexter Cherokee application #664 Douglas Phelps 12/30/00 The rejecting statement in 1908 by Guion Miller (government commissioner) of a Sarah Mashburn who claimed ancestry to Dohanoo through Poindexter- after the hearingof24 claimants - prettywell sums up their denial:"......There is nothing but the traditions of the family to show that Chief Donohoo was a Cherokee Indian, although it would seem from the testimony that there is a well recognized tradition in the family that he was of Cherokee blood. As against this tradition,however, are the equally well established facts that he came from Virginia, probably from the neighborhood of the James River... There is nothng in the history of the Cherokee people that I have been able to discover that would indicate that they ever occupied thesectionof Virginia that appears to have been the home of Chief Donohoo [further support for this point continued]...There is no intimation in the testimony that any of these descendants or their ancestors back to the time of the Revolutionary War, have been regarded as Indians, but on the contrary, the testimony clearly seems to indicate that they have been living as white people and have passed in the communities in which they have resided as white people.From the unquestioned tradition that is fully established in this large family, it would appear quite certain that there was an ancestor who was of Indian extraction, bu t from the history as given in the applications and in the testimony, it seems much more probable that this ancestor was a member of one of the Virginia tribes, rather than of Cherokee extraction, and certainly the application and the testimony fail to show that any of these parties or their ancestors were recognized Cherokees by blood at the timeof the treaties of 1836-6 or 1846." Two most damaging statements by two claimants were : "I never heard anything about being an Indian until this money matter came up" and "I never claimed to ba an Indian until this matter came up. I had never heard that there was any Indian blood in my veins."

Dawes Rolls Poindexter

Name Age Sex Blood Roll No. Tribe Card No.
Maggie Poindexter 37 F 1/4 5960 Cherokee by Blood Search card 2293
Note: Wife of James R. Poindexter listed on Cherokee by Blood Card #9535
William Poindexter 15 M 1/8 5961 Cherokee by Blood Search card 2293
Benjamin Poindexter 13 M 1/8 5962 Cherokee by Blood Search card 2293
Ellen Poindexter 7 F 1/8 5964 Cherokee by Blood Search card 2293
Lucinda Poindexter 5 F 1/8 5965 Cherokee by Blood Search card 2293
Louisa Poindexter 2 F 1/8 5966 Cherokee by Blood Search card 2293
James R. Poindexter 41 M IW Cherokee by Blood Search card 9535
Note: Married to Maggie Poindexter listed on Cherokee by Blood Card #2291

The Letter of Richard McDanial

This leter came to me through a third cousin he say "The lady that wrote it was a McDaniel, she was the daughter of John Henry McDaniel my great Uncle and brother to My great grandfather William McDaniel"
The letter is in a pdf to large to upload, you can contact me if you would like to see the rest.

Woodall DNA News

WOODALL DNA PROJECT NEWS:


We now have a total of over one hundred thirty-three (133) Y-DNA kits with results after being analyzed at the lab. We are still waiting for the results for additional Y-DNA kits. The results to date are very interesting indicating more Y-DNA testing is needed to better understand the Woodall surname families.

Here's a little of what we have learned so far:

1. We have learned one Woodall family group is fathered by an American Indian or someone with a direct male line to an American Indian.

2. It is evident from the test results that one or both of the sons William and John, who we thought were sons of John Woodall (1747 Will in Goochland County, Virginia) are not his biological sons, since descendants from both of these 2 men show two different Haplogoup types. One or both of these men may have been adopted by Genitoe Creek's Goochland John.

3. We have two different Woodall family groups with each mothered by a Woodall but had a father with another surname:

1st we discovered that a Diana Woodall had a son named James Duncan Woodall b. about 1896 in Johnson County, North Carolina. James Duncan Woodall was fathered by a Seamore Duncan. Then we learned that a Mary Ann Woodall born 1810-1813 in Lincoln, Kentucky had one son James L. Woodall b. 1839 in Lawrence, Indiana (and possibly her other children) fathered by a man with the surname Ketchum. Mary Ann is the daughter of Jehu Woodall and Sarah Foster.

4. Test results prove there is an O'Dell-Woodall connection. Most recently we have the results of a man with the last name Udall who matches a Yorkshire Woodall family. This particular Udall family and Woodall family all go back to the ancient Woodall family who spelled their last name as Uvedale/Uvedale. These people also distantly share the famous Barber-Surgeon John Woodall as a cousin.

Based on the results received to date, we have identified 24 different Woodall families, with 23 distinctly different Y-DNA Patterns, and 15 different Haplogroups. These Haplogroups in no particular order being R-M512, R-CTS3402, R-M198, J-M172, RD-F41, E-M2, R-M269, I-M253, I-P37, Q-M3, R-P25, R-P312, R-PH3519, R-SRY10831, I-P109.

43 Participants trace their family back to England, 22 have Scotland as their place of origin, 55 have their family going back to somewhere in the United States, and 12 have their roots as Native American in the United States. The testing to date has confirmed, for the most part, the hard work of Woodall family researchers of the over the last 40+ years. However, there are to date at least five cases where the paper trail generated by research has NOT been confirmed by DNA. This indicates one should not feel comfortable with that well defined paper trail connecting one to a great-great grandfather Woodall unless one has DNA test results to confirm it. Not using this new DNA tool is like saying I am not going to order that birth certificate or death certificate because I known the data I have is correct. Use this new tool as one more data point to confirm your paper trail.


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