Y-DNA Babcock-Badcock Project
Surnames/tags: Babcock Badcock
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Introduction and Goals
This Free Space Project is the WikiTree extension to the Babcock-Badcock Project on FamilyTreeDNA. The purpose is to assist in the dissemination of Y-DNA findings of those males who have a Babcock (or variant spelling) patrilineal line and who have Y-DNA tested. This WikiTree Project, similar to the Activity Feed accompanying the FamilyTreeDNA project, will provide a forum for the discussion of those genetic findings. The ultimate goal is to meld those genetic findings with the genealogy to assist in parsing the various Babcock-Badcock lineages and, in trebuchet fashion, crumble the brick walls that are inevitably encountered. Anyone with an interest in these above stated goals is welcome to participate in the discussion.
A solicitation is made to any and all males who have a Babcock patrilineal lineage (i.e., tester to his father to his father to his father . . . all of which are Babcocks) to Big Y 700 test at FamilyTreeDNA to expand the database from which conclusions can be drawn.
Information Pertaining to FamilyTreeDNA
One must establish an account on FamilyTreeDNA to participate in the FamilyTreeDNA Babcock-Badcock Project. Establishing an account can be achieved in a number of ways. Purchasing any or all of the tests offered by FamilyTreeDNA will establish an account — Y-DNA, autosomal DNA (referred to as Family Finder), or mitochondrial DNA. Another option is to upload for free your DNA results from another vendor such as AncestryDNA, My Heritage, or 23andMe. [Please note the following — as of 26 Oct 2023 "Until further notice, FamilyTreeDNA is no longer accepting 23andMe autosomal transfers."] Once you have an account, have received a kit number, and can access the dashboard (home page) of FamilyTreeDNA you can join the Babcock-Badcock project or any of the multiple projects (>> 1,000) FamilyTreeDNA offers. Links are provided below.
URLs
Link to the Babcock-Badcock Project on FamilyTreeDNA (after having established an account where one can sign in to FamilyTreeDNA) —
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/babcock/activity-feed
Link to join the Babcock-Badcock Project on FamilyTreeDNA (after having established an account where one can sign in to FamilyTreeDNA) —
https://www.familytreedna.com/my/group-join?let=B&projecttype=S&
or from the dashboard (home page) of FamilyTreeDNA select Group Projects which prompts a drop down menu. Select Join a Project. On the subsequent webpage, locate the Surname Project category, and select the ' B ' tab which brings up the webpage to which the URL directly above links. Locate the Babcock-Badcock Project from the list and 'join'.
Link to the WikiTree Babcock Name Study
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Babcock_Name_Study
Updates
This Updates section was revised on 9 Sep 2024. In addition, an updated Discover™ Time Tree slide has been added as a 5th Image.
The current Y-haplotree on the E-FT216584 branch now has 18 descendant Big Y 700 testers and seven clades altogether.
A request for male descendants to Big Y 700 test (or at least Y-DNA at the Y-37 level) whose patrilineal line is Babcock, Badcock, or Randall or [please refer to point 7) below]. We are specifically seeking, but not limiting this request to, the following male candidates —
1) from England (i.e., who remained in England and did not emigrate) with the Badcock, Babcock, Randall surname or who emigrated to Australia or New Zealand
2) who trace their lineage to Robert Badcock (d 1694) or George Badcock (d 1671) who emigrated to Massachusetts
3) who trace their lineage to James Babcock (1641-1698), Job Babcock (1646-1718), or Joseph Babcock (1670- ) from Rhode Island
4) who trace their lineage to James Babcock (1664-1737), John Babcock (1669-1746), Job Babcock (1671-1755), George Babcock (1673-1756), Robert Babcock (1678-1719), Joseph Babcock (1681-1742), Oliver Babcock (1683-1773)
5) any Randall who is predicted to be E-M35
6) any Randall who traces their lineage to Westerly, Rhode Island or the immediate surrounding region
7) FamilyTreeDNA's Babcock-Badcock [surname] Project has this year expanded its scope to encompass other surnames than Babcock [or Randall] — to include the E-M35 Treble/Tribble, Wills, Clifford, Kelly, Coyte/Coit surnames. This past year FamilyTreeDNA has assigned a Family Finder SNP-derived clade assignment of E-FT216584 to 18 individuals thus far — four of the surnames noted have been identified and assigned clade E-FT216584. We would welcome our Y-DNA genetic cousins to join the Babcock-Badcock Project on FamilyTreeDNA as well as Big Y 700 test.
Further Information
Right now this project just has one member, me. I am Kent Babcock.
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New findings prompt new questions. We have a number of branches I would relish seeing more 'leafed out' in the future.
I can only hope that a cousin of our recent tester assigned E-FT216584 might Big Y 700 test to provide FamilyTreeDNA that all important two testers — prompting the formation of a new clade which would better define that lineage genetically. At this point in time, there is some evidence that this tester of the Geer surname is not related to the E-M35 Geer testers in the FamilyTreeDNA Geer Project — but that remains to be seen and further and/or expanded analyses of the Y-DNA will be necessary.
Currently we have the Y-STR results of a Babcock tester whose Big Y 700 results are still pending. I may return to my supposition that perhaps *all* North American Badcocks/Babcocks did pass through the bottleneck formed by the 1640s emigration to New England from England by the ' I ' and ' E ' haplogroup Badcocks. We shall see.
edited by Kent Babcock
I am most excited to see confirmation that after arrival in North America, the Babcock line of Rhode Island had at least two subclades that split off from it. This fact promises to be so helpful when trying to break through Babcock roadblocks, especially if more and more Babcock lineage males are able to share with us Y-DNA results. This is alsogoing to be potentially helpful for adoptees who have the Babcock Y-DNA signature, but have a different surname.
Like you, I so very much want to meld the genetic Y-DNA findings with the accompanying genealogies. I am so grateful for your contributions to this endeavor and, like you, am hoping we might generate more testing and participation in the future. Hopefully everyone will spread the word and enlist support from those who are candidates to test and/or contribute to piecing the genealogical puzzle together. Fingers crossed.
The tester/wikitree profile manager indicates he lost his deep connection to the Westerly line of Babcocks, but gained a Mayflower ancestor! Can't wait to see how this info is someday integrated into the wikitree profiles since that manager is seriously on the ball with his DNA connections being noted on his wikitree chart. I wonder if Benjamin's mom will still be Zerviah Wood Babcock, or if that NPE was more of an adoption scenario....meaning Benjamin could have a different mother than his siblings as well as a different father. Guess time might tell...
Webpage posting showing Benjamin Babcock b. about 1744 was fathered by an Eaton: https://www.rtbfam.us/babcock/
Y-DNA represents some 2% of our nuclear DNA profile. So the fact that the NPE occurred in the distant past means the overall autosomal impact has been just that much more generationally diluted as we exponentially increase the number of ancestors each generation.
About the "Y" descendants, I was trying to visualize them and found there is a wikitree widget to display "Y" descendants who have wikitree profiles in a chart. I found the chart by starting at Benjamin Babcock's profile and going to the pull down menu under "Babcock-7082" , then clicking on "DNA", then clicking a button called "DNA Descendants" (https://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Babcock-7082/890) Probably you already know about this function, but it was news to me.
I tried the same widget on James Babcock/Badcock b. 1612 and it worked, but took a longtime to generate a massive chart.....go figure! (https://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Badcock-477/890)
Only tricky thing about it is this widget is creating a second list of "X" descendants right under the "Y" descendants, so I misread it as one big list, but it is actually two big lists. I only noticed it because there were female names popping up in the lower part.
If I am making the correct assessment from the chart (and I have not yet explored this further before replying here so shame on me), then the lineage/descendants from my 5th great grandfather John (1739-1770) to myself are not yet on WikiTree. Leastways they are not noted on the chart below John's name. His name was a dead end for the line in other words.
So I have much to learn regarding this feature to include reading up on such notations as the DNA confirmed status and the like. At first blush, I am not finding the information gleaned from this rather impressive tree intuitive to grasp, but I am sure that is due to me being a novice in using it. Thank you again for directing me to this feature.