Sir
Oliver
St John
Born about in Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales
Ancestors 
Son of John St John
and Isabel (Unknown) St John
Brother of
Jane (St John) Whitfield [half]
Husband of
Margaret (Beauchamp) Welles
— married
about 1428 [location unknown]
Descendants 
Father of
Edith (St John) Pole, John St John KB, Elizabeth (St John) le Scrope, Mary St John, Oliver St John, Margaret St John and Agnes (St John) Malpas
Died about
at about age 39
in Rouen, Duché de Normandie, France
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Biography
Oliver Saint John, Knt., of Fonmon and Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales, and Paulerspury, Northamptonshire[1]
Sir Oliver St. John of Bletneshoe in com. Bedfordshire. Knight, sonne and heire. Oliver married Margaret, daughter of John Beauchamp. He was father of Sir John St. John of Bletneshoe in com. Bedfordshire, Knight, sonne & heire who married Alice, dau of Sir Thomas Bradshawe in Hawe, com. Lancashire, Knight.[2]
- Parents: John Saint John, Knt., and Isabel[1][3][4]
- Born: "about 1398 (adult before 1428)"[1]
- Married: Margaret Beauchamp, daughter of John Beauchamp, Knt., and his second wife, Edith Stourton[1]
- Children:
- John St John, K.B., married (1) Alice Bradshagh, (2) Elizabeth ferch William Mathew Fawr[1]
- Oliver St John, Esq., married Elizabeth Scrope[1]
- Edith St John, married Geoffrey Pole, Esq.[1]
- Mary St John, married Richard Frogenhall, Knt.[1] (Sir Richard Tregonnell)[2]
- Elizabeth St John, married (1) William Zouche, Knt., (2) John Scrope, K.G.[1]
- Agnes St John, married (1) John Heron, Esq., (2) David Malpas, Esq.[1]
- Margaret St John, Abess of Shaftesbury, Dorset[1]
- Died: "in 1437, and was buried at the Church of the Jacobins at Rouen, Normandy"[1]
- Church of St. Jacques des Jacobins, Rouen, Departement de la Seine-Maritime, Haute-Normandie, France[5]
- Oliver's widow Margaret married (2) John Beaufort, K.G., Duke of Somerset, after 2 August 1441; (3) Lionel (or Leo) Welles, K.G., 6th Lord Welles, as his second wife, by license dated 14 April 1447 (settlement dated 20 April 1447). Margaret died shortly before 3 June 1482.[1]
Titles
- Earl of Bollingbrooke[citation needed]
- Sheriff of Glamorganshire[citation needed]
Research Notes
Birth location: FindAGrave has "Bletsoe, Bedford Borough, Bedfordshire, England"[5] but his wife Margaret was "of Bletsoe". More likely he was born in Penmark, as both he and his father are "of Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales."[1] (FindAGrave also had birth as 8 July 1400.)[5]
- Margaret Beauchamp "was heiress in 1420 to her brother, John Beauchamp, by which she inherited the manors of Bletsoe and Keysoe, Bedfordshire, Ashmore, Dorset, and Lydiard Tregoze, Wiltshire."[1]
Upon saving (5 April 2018), received the following automated message: "A father's death date (St John-68 died 1437) should not be more than nine months before one of his children's birth dates (St John-314 born 1438)."
- resolved by changing birth for St John-314 from about 1438 to about 1437. ~ Noland-165 19:59, 5 April 2018 (EDT)
Sources
- ↑ 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14 Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pp 528-533 SAINT JOHN #15. Margaret Beauchamp
- ↑ 2.0 2.1 Frederick Augustus Blayden, Ed. St. John of Bletsoe; The Visitations of Bedfordshire, 1566, 1582, 1634 London, 1884. Pages 15 and 52 (accessed 2 September 2019).
- ↑ See Isabel's profile for details, but her married name - not her maiden name - was Paveley.
- ↑ Visitations of Bedfordshire, pp 51-52, describes arms with Paveley included, but not Paulet. Shows Paveley as a couple of generations up from where Richardson has her (as wife of Oliver/daughter of Paveley, rather than widow of Paveley). The Visitations does not give a surname for "Elizabeth", mother of Oliver who married Margaret Beauchamp.
- ↑ 5.0 5.1 5.2 Find A Grave: Memorial #82836439 for Oliver St John. Note: FindAGrave memorials are not considered reliable sources for pre-1700 profiles (see the Magna Carta Project's Reliable Sources entry on FindAGrave memorials).
- Richardson's Royal Ancestry, Vol V, p 200 TUDOR #12. John Beaufort, K.G., (married Oliver's widow Margaret)
- Wikipedia articles:
- Margaret Beauchamp of Bletso
- John Scrope (married Elizabeth, daughter of Oliver & Margaret)
- Baron St John of Bletso (great-grandson)
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Margaret's Wikipedia article says she married Oliver son of John St John & Isabel Paveley (which as discussed in a previous comment matches Richardson but not the facts from the IPM presented at Paveley-3).
That his mother was Elizabeth Paulet does not appear to be supported, but it also appears that his mother was not Paveley by birth... his mother named by Richardson is Isabel Paveley, but it appears that Paveley was her married name (see Paveley-3*) and the maiden name is not known for the mother of Oliver m Margaret Beauchamp.
*Paveley-3 needs a new LNAB: Unknown
Have I got that correct?
Regardless, it seems this profile should not have the "Trail Pending" project box, since the trail goes through his wife, not him. So...
Unless someone can point out where I missed a Richardson-documented trail for him, I'll remove the project box & the project as manager.
Thanks!
Sir Oliver St John of Bletsoe, Spelsbury and Lydiard Tregoze (d. 1437) was the husband of Margaret Beauchamp of Bletso, great-great-granddaughter of Roger de Beauchamp, who was summoned to Parliament as Baron Beauchamp of Bletso from 1363 to 1379.
and then on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Beauchamp_of_Bletso
She married firstly Sir Oliver St John (d. 1437), son and heir of Sir John St John and Isabel Paveley, daughter and heiress of Sir John Paveley, by whom she had two sons and five daughters.[4]
[4]=Richardson's Magna Carta Ancestry, Vol III, p 475