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Néel (St Sauveur) de St Sauveur (abt. 1008 - bef. 1073)

Vicomte Néel (Néel IV) "Nigel" de St Sauveur formerly St Sauveur aka de Cotentin
Born about in Manche, Normandy, Francemap
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died before before about age 65 in Saint Saveur, Normandie, Francemap
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Profile last modified | Created 8 May 2012
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Biography

Quarreled with Ranulph, Count of Bayeux, about the Isles of La Marche. Banished 1045. Founded the Monastery of St. Sauveur in 1080. Nigel de Glanville witnessed his charter as "de familia mea" to Marmoutier in 1042, and again in 1060.

"Paul Reed, citing Rev. Statham's 'The Descent of the family of Statham' (London, 1925), only mentions Adele, daughter of William de Vernon as a wife of Niel. However the charter witnessed by Niel and his wife Adele, along with nearly all of their children, took place after all of the children were born. Thus any prior wife would not be indicated. The dates of Niel's 1st children would indicate an earlier wife. The charter did not mention the son Ivo (only sons Roger, William, another William, and Gerard), but did mention two other daughters besides Bilelde (Emma and Mahildis, either one of which could be the daughter that married Robert Bigod)."[1]

Sources

  1. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I10913
  • Van Torhoudt, Eric, (2006) "Les Sièges du Pouvoir des Néel, Vicomtes dans le Cotentin" in Flambard Héricher ed. Les lieux de pouvoir au Moyen Âge en Normandie et sur ses marges - https://books.google.be/books?id=ckI5XFb4WhoC
  • Records of the Anglo-Norman House of Glanville from A.D. 1050 to 1880, by WM. URMSTON S. GLANVILLE-RICHARDS, Esq., publ. 1882 by Mitchell and Hughes, London, England.
  • "Ancestors/Descendants of Royal Lines" (Contributors: F. L. Jacquier (History of Charlemagne by Christian Settipani); L. Orlandini, Manuel Abranches de Soveral, Reynaud de Paysac, F.L. J P de Palmas (Aurejac et Tournemire; Frankish line; The Complete Peerage}, Jacquier (Genealogy of Lewis Carroll, Justin Swanstrom, The Royal Families of England Scotland & Wales by Burkes Peerage; Debrett's Peerage & Baronage; Table of descendants French Canadian Genealogical Society; Families of Monfort-sur-Risle & Bertrand de Bricquebec; The Dukes of Normandy, XXXXI), A. Brabant ("Dynastie Montmorency, Michel d'Herbigny), Paul Leportier, Claude Barret, H.R. Moser (Burke Peerage), O.Guionneau, L.B. de Rouge, E. Polti, N. Danican (Britain's Royal Families; Buthlaw, Succession of Strathclyde, the Armorial 1961-62) A.Terlinden (Genealogy of the existing British Peerage, 1842), L. Gustavsson, C. Cheneaux, E. Lodge, S. Bontron (Brian Tompsett), R. Dewkinandan, H. de la Villarmois, C. Donadello; Scevole de Livonniere, H. de la Villarmois, I. Flatmoen, P. Ract Madoux (History of Morhange; Leon Maujean; Annuaire de Lorraine, 1926; La Galissonniere: Elections d'Arques et Rouen), Jean de Villoutreys (ref: Georges Poull), E. Wilkerson-Theaux (Laura Little), O. Auffray, A. Brabant (Genealogy of Chauvigny of Blot from "Chanoine Prevost Archiviste du Diocese de Troyes Union Typographique Domois Cote-d'Or 1925), Emmanuel Arminjon (E Levi-Provencal Histoire de l'Espagne Andalouse), Y. Gazagnes-Gazanhe, R. Sekulovich and J.P. de Palmas ("notes pierfit et iconographie Insecula", Tournemire), H de Riberolles (Base Tournemire), Franck Veillon; ,(Histoire Généalogique de la Maison de Hornes, Bruxelles 1848; Notice Historique Sur L'Ancien Comté de Hornes, Gand 1850; Europäische Stammtafeln, Marburg 1978); E.Driant / "La Maison de Damas" par Hubert Lamant, 1977 (Bibliothèque municipale d'Eaubonne)
  • http://geneastar.org.
  • "Thorns among the roses" Holly Forrest Tamer holly_tamer@yahoo.com (who cites: "Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom" by G.E. Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 and "Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999, among other great sources).
  • "Neuman-Smith-Goodale Family and Ancestors" Michael R. Neuman michaelneuman@earthlink.net
  • "The Ancestry of Overmire Tifft Richardson Bradford Reed" Larry Overmire larryover@worldnet.att.net
  • http://www.geni.com/people/Niel-II-III-de-Saint-Sauveur-Vicomte-de-Cotentin/6000000003243546100




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Hi folks.

Why's his FNAB spelled Niel, currently? What primary source evidences that variant, over Neel or Néel etc?

Cheers,

posted by Isaac Taylor
I think the profile is waiting for someone to clean it up. It is currently "citing" (or whatever online contexts it copied from were citing) various sources in an indirect way. The one most worth starting with is probably CP. I've also mentioned a recent article below. When were you going to get pre-1500 certification Isaac? :)
posted by Andrew Lancaster
I think what I need to do, Andrew, is pick a "fight" with some meaty family in the 1600s that's currently a mess, and fix it up rightly. It's tricky though because that's of course where everybody else is working here, who doesn't have Pre-1500 certification.

So the reason we keep bumping into each other (everywhere!) is that I'm working my up dozens of different lines of descent on different branches of my known-family, as researched and documented elsewhere (ie off WikiTree) trying to a) figure out what I can learn here, about my extended family history, that I don't already know; and b) find the right "anchor tenant" to build out a chunk of new work done right, here. And then use that to apply for certification.

The result is I have been working my up-and-down a ton of different branches to knit together some incoherent lines, and flag and fix fictions etc, before moving in here and setting up shop long-term here in the medieval zone of WikiTree.

Another issue, meta, is that I have some blobs of time to work here. Rarely hours. Due to my work and family routines. So, the Pre-1500 cert has also de facto blocked on work-style and time availability. For me personally, the challenge has been that when I do have a few solid days free to really tuck into some work, hobby genealogy has yet to trump stuff like, putting a new roof on the house or fixing my antique daily-drive truck etc.

TMI, but, you asked! ;-)

posted by Isaac Taylor
I think there are lots of meaty families in the 1500s too. Would you like proposals from pre-1500 for families to work on? How about tracking some Edward III descents in that century? :) Maybe we should develop a list of 1500-1700 families needing work, but without that, the Edward III descents RJ and I worked on a while back basically go exactly into that period. Links on my page if you don't have them. Don't worry about working in bursts. That is how wikis work.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
Van Torhoudt, Eric, (2006) "Les Sièges du Pouvoir des Néel, Vicomtes dans le Cotentin" in Flambard Héricher ed. Les lieux de pouvoir au Moyen Âge en Normandie et sur ses marges google books
posted by Andrew Lancaster
I don't know of a son named Richard; I've detached him...
Son Richard was born in 1013, when his father was only 5 and his mother was not yet born.
posted by Steve Selbrede
This URL is broken now. Heads up.
posted by Isaac Taylor

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