Jane (Stanley) Mullins (abt. 1756 - bef. 1840)

Where are the sources that go with all of this linking changes? Have you contacted PMs before doing the unlinking to see if anyone had different sources? There are no sources attached to this profile.

Approximately six years ago, I was a manager on many Mullins profiles (added by Ashley Mullins). Much collaboration was needed. I couldn’t possibly update all sources on husbands, wives, and all siblings. So I updated my ancestors to a point. Someone broke my connections to my early Mullins, leaving my tree disconnected to family and much of the profiles became a mess. No one was adding any sources, they were just making changes and they were not correct. I tried to update some information through the first William Mullins in this line and discovered I could not update earlier ancestors because they were changed to protected. There is a lot of incorrect information added and no sources. I gave up. I have posted on some of these profiles that collaboration is needed. This is my paternal grandmother’s line. I suggest reading Cornelius Carroll’s book information as a source. The changes I made are correct. Contact Gary M. Mullins, admin of the FTDNA Mullins project of which I am a member. He is writing a current book on our family and I have contributed to it. I’ve sent messages to two profile managers awhile back plus to one of the primary contacts listed when I joined Wikitree. No response from anyone.

If you received no response to profiles, you should follow the Unresponsive Profile Manager process.

Changing relationships on any profile with no sources being included is not how Collaboration is done on wikitree. By removing relationships on profiles with no sources 'sounds like' it is the same thing as you are stating was done previously by others. This is why when a relationship is removed, it should be included in the profile in Research Notes, so anyone can see the reasoning for a change and so they can also verify the reasoning. Unfortunately, there are many people with same names in same locations at the same time, so people easily confuse them and use the 'hints' that other sites show, which is just from other people's trees.

Six years ago was in the early days of wikitree, so many things have changed since that time. Unfortunately, there are many people that take profiles and relationships as seen on other sites and add them to wikitree. Most people on wikitree now are trying to make sure that sources are being included on profiles. Unfortunately, as some of these profiles exist now, they are unsourced.

If there is a book that can be used as a source of information, it should be included in the profile with information other than someone's name. If a person could be contacted for other information, that should also be included with contact information, being aware that email addresses cannot be added to profiles. Many people are not on Facebook, so that is not necessarily a valid way of contact.

The father was changed for William, Janes husband at some point to the wrong person. Jane became the wife of the wrong William, children were added who aren’t in this family, and no sources were added. I tried contacting people on Wikitree before making changes. I posted on several of the other members profiles in this branch that collaboration is needed along with a contact person. I just posted a contact person on Jane’s profile and will include this on some of the others. I have included a photo of the fieldstone grave markers.

Line VIII of the Honor Code states that Sources are to be cited on profiles. Currently this profile is still unsourced. There are no sources included on this profile that can be verified by anyone.

You stated that Mullins Genealogy book is available free online. Please provide a link to that resource because a search provided a printed book that had to be purchased only. Genealogy books are great resources, but they are secondary sources, not primary sources where the information originally came from. If the sources that were used for the books are included in the books, then those sources should be included in the profiles, not just the books. There are plenty of books that are available that are not accurate, some totally made up, some purported to be valid resources, but many of them are just a combination of information from family trees with no sources to back them up.

On wikitree, we should not have to 'contact a person' to verify any information. The sources should be included on the profiles. That is what wikitree does that is different to other sources that don't expect sources. Without sources, Research Notes sections, biography, there is nothing to indicate why the currently linked relationships are 'more accurate' than ones that had previously been connected to this profile. Research Notes section can be used to indicate why a different Wikitree ID person was removed and why there is confusion. If something like that is not done, then the same thing can be done again. There is no 'proof' on this profile of who or why parents or spouse are accurate now. People are interested in profiles without being PM on a profile and they should expect to see the reasons why a change might have been done, or at least sources to 'prove' why the current relationship is more accurate than one that had existed previously.

You added a note about another profile for Mullins Sr not able to be edited, but it is open for editing Dec 2021.

Not my profile. Person who set it up never added sources. People who kept changing the profiles weren’t adding sources. No collaboration. Didn’t know Mullins Sr. Was now open for editing because it wasn’t when I looked several times. Cornelius Carroll’s book is the best source for now. Gary Mullins is working on his book that will correct some errors discovered since Carroll’s book was published years ago. I am a genealogist and fully aware that old books, news articles, trees, and ANY source may be incorrect. Wikitree included. Worked on my Mullins 5+ years now but tied up with other collaborations at the moment. I do not appreciate being ridiculed while trying to help and again, I don’t have to take on the responsibility of adding sources for Jane Stanley.

In addition, I ‘contacted people on here’ and they were profile managers. You suggested this should be done before making changes. I told you in this conversation that that is exactly what I did. No responses. I resent you telling me I am not following the Honor Code. I asked for collaboration and no one, no one bothered to response. You on the other hand are becoming quite rude.

Again, profiles can be updated with sources and information explaining what was done and why 'When' profiles are open for editing. That is all that I asked about. Many people create profiles and then disappear and do nothing more on wikitree which is why I initially said that the Unresponsive Profile Manager can be used for access to profile and Trusted List.

Honor Code states that Sources should be cited on profiles. Nothing was added when changes were made, either by adding Sources or with an explanation of why existing relationships were incorrect and new ones are correct.

AFTER some of the profiles were set up with no sources, people came in and added children, and changed Williams’ father to a different William. No explanation for why, no sources added as proof. Why didn’t you or someone point this out then? I wouldn’t have noticed if changes didn’t break my connection to William. I looked at my tree, no links after William. So I decided to see how the connections looked since I hadn’t looked in several years. Wish I hadn’t looked. Apparently it was acceptable to break MY links to my William. Again, no responses when I asked for help. Thank you for convincing me to give up.