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Unknown Moray (abt. 1055 - abt. 1120)

Unknown Moray
Born about in Moray, Scotlandmap
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[spouse(s) unknown]
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Died about at about age 65 in Moray, Scotlandmap
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Unknown Moray was an inhabitant of Medieval Scotland.
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Biography

She was born the unknown daughter of Lulach MacGilleomgain, King of Scots and an unknown wife, possibly, Fimmghuala ingen Sinhill. [1][2]

She had a son, Angus "Óengus" Moray, “killed at Stracanthro in 1130. [1]

Research Notes

  1. The cited sources do not adequately support Unknown Moray as the spouse of Æthelred (Edelret mac Maíl Coluim) Dunkeld, including her children, Angus (Oenghus mac inghine Lulaich) Moray and Unknown Moray; all relationships have been removed. Perkins-11750 17:33, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
  2. Alison Weir, wiithout confirming sources, adds a marriage, “Daughter (name not known) She married Aedh, Mormaer of Moray.” [3]
  3. Angus MacKay speculates a marriage, “Aedh became mormaer, or Earl, in 1078, when Maelsnectan was expelled; in that same year he married the daughter of Lulach, who was Maelsnectan's sister.” [4]
  4. Balfour suggests that her husband was likely named, Eth; “———— a daughter, who is recorded to have been the mother of Angus, the Earl of Moray…It is nowhere stated who her husband was, but it is generally maintained that his name was Eth…” [5]
  5. There are no discoverable reliable sources for this person; she appears to be a duplicate of Moray-155 that shoud be merged. Perkins-11750 15:56, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Ross, Alasdair. The Kings of Alba: c.1000 - c.1130. Edinburgh: Birlinn Ltd (2011), pps. 182-184, citing, “Lulach was married and had at least two children, even if we do not know the name of his wife. One of these children was Máel Snechta mac Lulaich, the other an unnamed daughter whose son Oengus was killed at Stracathro in 1130." https://a.co/1IDp9vf
  2. Cawley, Charles Medieval Lands: a Prosopography of Medieval European Noble and Royal Families. Hereford, UK: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (2006), citing, “The name of Lulach’s wife is not known. Lulach & his wife had two children: (a) MAELSNECHTAI (-1085)… (b) daughter. Her parentage is confirmed by the Annals of Ulster which record the death in 1130 of ‘Angus son of the daughter of Lulach’ in a battle ‘between the men of Scotland and the men of Moray’ The name of her husband is not known. m ---. One child: (1) ANGUS (-killed in battle Strickathrow 1130), chap. 6.A.2.b.)I.) LULACH.
  3. Weir, Alison. Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy. London: Vintage (1989), p. 183-184, https://a.co/f6xc92S
  4. MacKay, Angus. A Brief History of Clan MacKay. National Library of Scotland (Leabhariann Naissonta re h.Alba). Edinburgh: Norman MacLeod (1896, pps. 20-21.
  5. Paul, J. Balfour., Wood, J. Philip., Douglas, R. The Scots peerage: founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom. Edinburgh: D. Douglas (1904), citing, “———— a daughter, who is recorded to have been the mother of Angus, the Earl of Moray…It is nowhere stated who her husband was, but it is generally maintained that his name was Eth…” p. 284.

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There are no discoverable reliable sources for this person; she appears to be a duplicate of Moray-155 that shoud be merged.
posted on Alpin-16 (merged) by Clyde Perkins
Alpin-16 and Moray-155 appear to represent the same person because: Not so obvious, but nonetheless a duplicate.
posted by Clyde Perkins
Can anyone supply *any* sources that are relevant to this profile? I'm finding no proof of her existence.
posted on Alpin-16 (merged) by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Have a look here:

Some reference at the bottom

https://www.geni.com/people/Tul-of-Moray/6000000018606329368

posted on Alpin-16 (merged) by Chet Spencer
There is a mention and source for an Unknown daughter, married to Aed, Mormaer of Moray (source: Britain's Royal Families; pg. 184. It is the only mention of a daughter that I've found to date. I would have to agree that Alpin-16 does not belong to this family, at least, and that she may never have existed at all.
posted on Alpin-16 (merged) by Amy (Crawford) Gilpin
I think that daughter, the one who married Aedh Moray, is the one represented by the sister Unknown Moray. Perhaps I'm getting confused, but I don't see anywhere that says Lulach had more than one daughter and one son.
posted on Alpin-16 (merged) by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
I agree. I would support disconnecting this profile.
posted on Alpin-16 (merged) by Amy (Crawford) Gilpin
Medlands provides only two children for Lulach: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc268450047

The discussion on the Geni profile leads here: https://www.geni.com/discussions/111850 and provides nothing new or more solid than a "generational register" (which I would say is only a clever name for a family tree).

posted on Alpin-16 (merged) by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Of Moray-16 and Alpin-16 appear to represent the same person because: They appear to be the same person. Tul should probably be named Unknown, but we can leave it.
posted on Alpin-16 (merged) by J. (Pearson) Salsbery
Is there any source which links Tul Alpin to King Lulach, stepson of MacBeth and son of Lady MacBeth? This seems to be another case of an overzealous descendant creating a connection where none exists.
posted on Alpin-16 (merged) by Dan Norum

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