Natalia (Stier) Graff
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Natalia (Stier) Graff (1925 - 1995)

Natalia Graff formerly Stier
Born in Concordia, Entre Ríos, Argentinamap
Ancestors ancestors
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of [private husband (1920s - 1980s)]
Mother of and [private daughter (1950s - unknown)]
Died in Villa María Grande, Paraná, Entre Ríos, Argentinamap
Profile last modified | Created 10 Aug 2020
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Volga German
Natalia (Stier) Graff is a Volga German.
Natalia (Stier) Graff has German Roots.

Natalia was born 17 April 1925 in Concordia, Entre Ríos, Argentina, to Alexander Stier and Maria Elisabeth Bauer Stier. In early 1956, she had twins, Guillermo and Ofelia. Shortly after their birth, the twins were given up for adoption to different families. Natalia passed away 6 June 1995 in Villa María Grande, Paraná, Entre Ríos, Argentina. [1]

Her twins reconnected through a DNA match. Additionally, daughter Ofelia is a confirmed match to Julie Miller Mangano through Julie's mother, a descendant of Volga Germans from Grimm, Russia.

Ofelia, Guillermo, and Julie have a common ancestor from Grimm. According to census records, there were no Stiers, Bauers, or Graffs in Grimm from 1767 to 1857. This means it is likely that their common relative is through a female ancestor who married and moved away from Grimm. [2] [3] [4] [5]

According to the index of the 1897 Grimm census, there was one family named Bauer who lived in Grimm that year, but they were omitted from the body of the census. [6] It's not clear if they were omitted in error, or if the name in the index was in error. Either way, there are no Bauer names to compare or research.

According to Ofelia's information on FTDNA, her earliest known maternal ancestor was "Katharina Elisabeth Kober, b. 1830/1850, Russia." [7] There was one Kober settler in Grimm, and the family and its descendants remained in Grimm for more than 100 years, through the 1897 census.

There were initially only two Kobers who immigrated from Germany to Russia. One can be found in the Kulberg Reports, the reference for Germans who immigrated directly to Russia, and the other, identified as Cober/Kober, in Danish immigration records, the book that documents Germans who immigrated first to Denmark and then to Russia. They were apparently two different people; the former was single and Catholic, [8] and the latter was married with two children and Lutheran. [9]

The family who first immigrated to Denmark is the family who eventually settled in Grimm: Michael Kober, wife Elisabeth and at least four children. Only one of the couple's two sons, Philipp Michael, remained in Grimm. Philipp Michael was the great grandfather of Katharina Elisabeth Kober. Philipp Michael's sister, Elisabeth Kober, was the mother of Georg Konrad Schneider, whose descendants would go on to immigrate to Brazil in the late 1890s. See: Gustav Schneider (abt.1877-). It may be a coincidence that the Schneiders and the Kober/Bauer descendants both reside in South America, but needs to be mentioned.

Julie and Natalia are both are descendants of Johann Valentin Ramig (1718-bef.1798), Julie through great grandmother Charlotte Kerbel Kaiser, and Natalia through second great grandmother Maria Barbara Wolf Kober.

  • Johann Valentin Ramig's connection to Julie: 7th great grandfather[10]
  • Johann Valentin Ramig's connection to Natalia: 5th great grandfather[11]
  • Julie and Natalia's connection to each other: 6th cousins twice removed[12]

There may be another connection between Julie and Natalia, but it would involve unnamed wives and mothers who have yet to be identified in their family trees.


  1. Personal recollection of events witnessed by Guillermo (Adopted) Unknown as remembered 10 Aug 2020.
  2. Pleve, Igor. Einwanderung in das Wolgagebiet 1764-1767, Band 2, Herausgegeben von Alfred Eisfeld under Mitarbeit von Sabine Eichwald, Published by the Nordost-Instsitut - 38085 Göttingen, 2005.
  3. The 1775 and 1798 Census of the German Colony on the Volga, Lesnoy Karamysh, also known as Grimm; Published by the American Historical Society of Germans from Russia, Lincoln, Nebraska, USA; Published date: 1995.
  4. 1834 Census of Grimm in the District of Saratov, Russia, dated 2 February 1835; Translated by Brent Mai, Concordia University, Portland, Oregon; Published by Dynasty Publishing, Beaverton, OR, USA; Published 2011.
  5. 1857 Census of Grimm in the District of Saratov, Russia, dated 5 November 1857; Translated by Brent Mai, Concordia University, Portland, Oregon; Published by Dynasty Publishing, Beaverton, OR, USA; Published 2005.
  6. 1897 Grimm (Lesnoi Karamysh), Russia Census List, Translated by Richard Rye, Compiled and Edited by John Groh, Contributor Henry Schmick; American Historical Society of Germans from Russia, Lincoln, Nebraska, USA; Published 2017; appendix, Bauer, family #86.
  7. FTDNA online database, information for Julie Miller Mangano match with Ofelia. See information in the personal files of Julie Miller Mangano, Round Rock, Texas.
  8. Pleve, Igor. List of Colonists to Russia in 1766, "Reports by Ivan Kulberg," Ministry of Education and Science of Russian Federation, Saratov State Technical University; Published in Saratov, Russia 2010; page 50, Johann Kober.
  9. Eichhorn, Alexander, Dr., and Dr. Jacob and Mary Eichhorn. The Immigration of German Colonists to Denmark and Their Subsequent Emigration to Russia in the Years 1759-1766, Druck and Bindung: Druckerei and Verlap Steinmeier GmbH & Co. KG, 86738, Deiningen, Germany; Published 2012; Michael Cober/Kober, pages 307, 426, and 674.
  10. WikiTree Relationship Finder, Julie Mangano's connection to Johann Valentin Ramig, see:
  11. WikiTree Relationship Finder, Natalia Stier's connection to Johann Valentin Ramig, see:
  12. WikiTree Relationship Finder, Julie Mangano's connection to Natalia Stier, see:

See also:

  • Research on the Village of Grimm by Julie Miller Mangano, Round Rock, Texas.

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Stier-325 and Stier-320 appear to represent the same person because: Potential duplicate
posted by Manuela Thiele

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