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|Baptism of Arie 1758 in Aalsmeer, The Netherlands. |
|Proclamation of the marriage of Arij Willemse Steijne and Cornelia Dol, 1759.|
|Part of the "Soldijboek" VOC of Arij Steijne from Aelsmeer, 1779-1789|
|VOC Soldijboek, ship Goede Trouw, Arij Steijne van Aalsmeer, Capitain 1790|
"Hi All, A friend of us who is for years now chairman of the Historic Association of Aalsmeer, - where my husband was also a member of the board - started to study History at the University of Amsterdam about 15 years ago. At his Major, Global History, he choose to do research on labour and migration. And he choose to research the immigration and emigration of the people in Aalsmeer. One part beheld the people of Aalsmeer who joined the VOC. Trying to find answers on why etc. His research on the VOC was in just a small edition published. A few years ago as he know how much interested we are in the history of Aalsmeer he gave my husband his booklet of about 75 page as a gift. It is named Aalsmeerders (people of the town Aalsmeer) bij de (at the) VOC, Avonturen (Adventures) in Afrika and Azie, published 2010. This spring I took the time to read it. Very interesting research at the left pages of the booklet but with some nice stories added as well about the people on the left pages. Now tonight I used the DataDoctor to find "suggestions" on the unsourced people from Aalsmeer. Just curious how many needed to be sourced at the coming challenge, as that is easy scoring for me. :p And there I came across the profile of Arie Steijn. Now in this research there is a captain Arij Willemz Steyn or Steynen of Aalsmeer who seems to be the father of Arie Steyn (abt. 1750). As the profile is PPP-ed I didn't want to start the profiles of the parents but first wanted to share with you what I found with the help of that research at the churchbooks of Amsterdam and Aalsmeer so far tonight. 1759-03-02 Proclamation/Subscription of the intended marriage of Arij Willemz Steyne, from Aalsmeer, gereformeerd (religion), 23 years old living at the Uiterste Poort, parents deceased, assisted by his nephew Marten Pietzn Heere & Cornelia Dol, from Aalsmeer, gereformeerd, 30 years old living at the Prinsegrgt (Prinsengracht Amsterdam), parents deceased, assited with her Moj (godmother) Mijtie van den Bergh. Kornelia signs with her name, Arij with a +. Proclamation1759-StadsArchiefAmsterdam 02-03-1759 - Steijne, Arij Willemse - Doll, Cornelia - DTB 602, p.334 - Huwelijksintekeningen van de KERK. - OTR00153000170 According to the research Cornelia was married before to Cornelis Jansz Noone. And Arij started as a sailor at the VOC and sailed mostly to Batavia and Japan. The part of Aalsmeer where Arie and Kornelia lived, although they were registered at the marriage as gereformeerd in Amsterdam, the place they lived in Aalsmeer was verrry strict Old Catholic. Arij is twice marked as Acatholicus at his youngest childrens baptisms. Now here are the children. Arie was the first born out of wetlock and baptized: 1758-11-15 Baptism (Latinized name:) Adrianus, Arie. illegitimus, Father: Arie, Mother Kornelia Barents Dol, Witness: Koba Tobias. 1761-02-08 Baptism (latinized name:) Anna, named Antje, Father Arie Stijne, Mother Kornelia Barents Dol, Witness: Koba Tobias Baptism1761-FamilySearch Netherlands, Noord-Hollan...Church Records, 1523-1948 Oud Katholiek Aalsmeer Dopen 1730-1811, Image 41 of 65, Left page. 1764-06-24 Baptism (latinized name:) Kornelius, named Kornelis 1766-12-14 Baptism (latinized name:) Wilhelmus, named Willem, Father Arie Willemze Stijne, Acatholicus, Mother Kornelia Barents d'Hol. Witness: Koba Tobias Baptism1766-FamilySearch Netherlands, Noord-Hollan...Church Records, 1523-1948 Oud Katholiek Aalsmeer Dopen 1730-1811, Image 44 of 65, left page. 1769-09-19 Baptism of Bernardus, Barent, Father: Arie Willemze Stijne, Acatholicus, Mother Kornelia Barents d'Hol. Witness Koba Tobias. Baptism1769-FamilySearch Netherlands, Noord-Hollan...Church Records, 1523-1948 Oud Katholiek Aalsmeer Dopen 1730-1811, Image 45 of 65, right page top. Now I ran out of time but according to the research book Arij or Arend or Arie leaves at the end of 1777 as sailor on the ship "Bovenkerker Polder" from Texel to Bengal. He returns in 1779. He leaves that year as sailor with the Behomoth from Texel to Batavia. His stephson also signed in to the VOC at the same date but leaves on the "Indiaan" as carpenter but he passed away during the journey 1780-09-08 according to the research. (didn t check yet). Arij probably works for the VOC at Indie, made a great career as he returns to the Netherlands he leaves again after a year as captain on the "Goede Trouw" to Batavia. The next travel is to Deshima, with on board the new VOC-opperhoofd Hendrik Andries Ulp. He will never arrive as the "Goede Trouw" as the ship is missing between Batavia and Deshima in 1791. The notes are closed with: quoting -Arie and his town mate Vinkenoog were noted as missed But mabey Arie survived as two years after the disaster he seems to be present at the wedding of his son Willem in Amsterdam. And again two years later is Arij Steijnen named as one of the first nine members of the Muncipal of Aalsmeer. But who knows this can be his oldest son Adrianus (Arie). Work to do for genealogists! - end quote. Now there is much more to search on and find sources. Tell me if you like me to start the profiles of the parents. To encourage you all, there are only about (according to the research) about a little more than 200 man from Aalsmeer who joined the VOC. They did not all go to South-Africa :) Very kind regards from Aalsmeer, The Netherlands, A."
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On 17 Jan 2018 at 23:56 GMT Astrid (Schellenberger) Spaargaren wrote:
Adding right link of the reporting of Kornelis Noone, son of Kornelis Jansz Noone and Cornelia Doll, stephbrother of this Arij Steijne in a minute. Replacing the double link to the death of the first husband of Cornelia Dol. And will add the right link to the Biography.
I am sorry. Thank you Olga for thanking me as it made me review the biography and finding my mistake.
On 16 Jan 2018 at 02:06 GMT Astrid (Schellenberger) Spaargaren wrote:
Is Cornelia Doll voor haar huwelijk met Arie Willemsz Steijn wel eerder gehuwd geweest met Cornelis Jansz Noonen? Bij de huwelijksintekening te Amsterdam staat niets vermeld van een eerder huwelijk van haar. Bovendien is het patroniem 'Barensen' in de inschrijving doorgehaald.'
Well the strike at the marriage doc is - in my humble opinion, so not a prove - striked later. Why should a clerck strike that. Did he know Kornelia? Knowing she was not a Barents/Barense? Or did Arij and Kornelia just stay anonymous? Why they married at Amsterdam and not at Aalsmeer? They already had a son born out of wetlock. I can not find a note at Aalsmeer so far they made a proclamation at Aalsmeer but at a few churchbooks in Aalsmeer of 1759 are missing. At the proclamation is also missing Cornelia's former marriage. Not mentioned. (Searched And J.M. (young man meaning unmarried) and J.D. (young daughter = meaning unmarried). I ve seen before former marriage not named at proclamations. But we need to keep it in mind. I searched at marriage attachments in Amsterdam archives online without results.............
We can not be sure so I looked for more sources. At the [PaymentsIntendedMarriage1751-FamilySearch Netherlands, Noord-Hollan...Church Records, 1523-1948 Alle Gezindten Aalsmeer Ontvangen, Trouwen 1695-1805, Image 75 of 168 payment] for the marriage Kornelia is named Barents at the payment of the marriage.
On 7 Jan 2018 at 22:23 GMT Bea (Timmerman) Wijma wrote:
On 4 Jan 2018 at 04:12 GMT Astrid (Schellenberger) Spaargaren wrote:
Only thing is missing is link/source to marriage but FamilySearch doesn t give me access to marriages at Stellenbosch in 1788. We do need a reliable source that can be seen by everyone in despite of Olga's.
Thank you Olga! Thank you Philip for giving me your trust. You two are stars!
Happy Treeing all. A.
On 3 Jan 2018 at 01:47 GMT Astrid (Schellenberger) Spaargaren wrote:
On 1 Jan 2018 at 23:50 GMT Astrid (Schellenberger) Spaargaren wrote:
On 31 Dec 2017 at 00:30 GMT Bea (Timmerman) Wijma wrote:
Jaa dat zou super zijn, manlief begint morgenvroeg met bakken :D
Liefs en fijne jaarwisseling allemaal !
On 29 Dec 2017 at 23:45 GMT Astrid (Schellenberger) Spaargaren wrote:
How sure are you about the wedding date? Very happy with it but I can not (and so not others) with my/our own eyes. You live at South Africa? Can you provide more info on Anna and the place of wedding? Obvious Arij had little time so the wedding was most likely close to the harbour. :D
If I sourced right Arij and his bride had little time together. Maybe she travelled with him to the Netherlands in 1788. Nah........ can't be as daughter Maria was born at the Cape. Poor family: Short luck. Besides Maria the chance is little they had more children. :/
Olga I think it is not right to say Arij was Captain at the Meermin. I know you took it from some reliable info. But he is only named as Captain here at the Goede Trouw. If you agree with the info we have now, do you mind to take the "captain of the Meermin" down till we have (better or any) evidence for that. For now the opposite is shown at the payroll. I am sorry. :) But I am sure you will take it in consideration.
It is a sad story.........
Very kind regards from a late The Netherlands,
On 29 Dec 2017 at 21:46 GMT Astrid (Schellenberger) Spaargaren wrote:
He is not payed a captain salary as well then.
Arij becomes a captain, after 10 years of loyal service, just a year later in 1790, on the ship de Goede Trouw. The ship goes down as far as I know between Batavia and Deshima in 1791. Looking for sources. :)
On 3 Oct 2017 at 22:46 GMT Astrid (Schellenberger) Spaargaren wrote: