John Stroud III (1732 - 1805)

Born 6 Jan 1732 in Virginia

Ancestors

Husband of Sarah (Connelly) Stroud — married about 17 Oct 1756 in Virginia

Descendants

Died 1805 at about age 72 in Clarke, Georgia, United States

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Biography

John Stroud III served with 1st North Carolina Regiment, Continental Army during the American Revolution.

His parents are unconfirmed. Alternates: Barnard Stroud and Keziah Harker. If you have information that will help determine which parents are correct, please note such in the comments section or reply to the G2G post noted on profile. Also, if you have done an autosomal DNA test and have a strong paper trail to this John, please review your matches and see if you match people that descend from Barnard Stroud through someone other than this purported son John. And report in the comments section as to your findings. Thanks.

He located in Hillsboro, Orange county, North Carolina. This event occurred circa 1761. Accounts say he only remained at Suffolk for a short time. Here he continued until after the Revolutionary War. All of the children of John and Sarah Stroud were born in North Carolina with the exception of the oldest and possibly the second.

In the years between 1761 and 1787, John Stroud and family resided at or in the vicinity of Hillsboro, Orange County, N. C. The Revolutionary War, with its horrors and hardships, had come and American Independence had come to the Colonies. Early in the struggles, John Stroud had enlisted and he served through the war.

After the close of the Revolutionary War, John Stroud and the greater number of his children moved from North Carolina to Georgia. The stories of fertile land in Georgia awakened the wanderlust in John Stroud and he and his family prepared for the long journey. It is well to remember that at this period there were no railroads or steamboats in existence and but few highways and they of very primitive sort. But this did not deter this hardy pioneer. A long journey it was indeed. Hundreds of miles through the uncleared forest, over hill and dale, over rivers and streams. Their stock had to swim the streams. The long and perilous journey was made without mishap and the family finally pitched camp in Burke County, Georgia.

Conditions in Burke county not proving satisfactory, after one year the family moved to Hancock County. In this county, the family began to split up. Some of the children already had families and as others married off they began to seek other localities. It was in 1787 that this took place, and in the next ten years the family had spread out in different counties of northeastern Georgia.

After his family of ten children had married and he and Sarah were left alone, they purportedly moved to Newton county.

Name

Name: John /Stroud/^{[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10]}

Event

Type: Civil

Date: 1797

Place: Greene County, Georgia, USA^[11]

Residence

Residence: - Early Tax List,

Date: 1755

Place: Granville County, North Carolina, USA^[12]

Residence:

Date: 1790

Place: Washington County, Georgia, USA^[13]

Marriage

John married Sarah Connelly, daughter of John Connelly and Margaret Oldham. Their children include: William, James, Margaret, Isaac, John, Elizabeth 'Betty', Hannah, Tabitha, Sally, Mark (all named in his will).

Land records

• 23 Oct 1754 - Orange, North Carolina: John Stroud, Junr, gentleman, 325 acres, three shillings, on Old Field Cr. waters of New Hope, begin at a hickory, S 60 ch to a black oak, E 50 ch to a hickory and a dogwood, N 65 ch to a post oak, W 50 ch to first station; 13 shillings rent per year, surveyed 14 May 1753. Matthew Couch & John Stroud Senr, SCC.^[14]

• 22 Feb 1759 - Orange, North Carolina: John Stroud, planter, 522 acres, ten shillings, on Watery Fork of Collins Creek, begin at a white oak on Meban's line, E 35 ch to a black jack, N 25 cdh to cetner of 21 black jacks & a hicory saplin, E 45 ch to a black jack, N 50 ch to a red oak saplin, W cross creek 80 ch to a black jack, S 45 ch to Meban's corner white oak saplin, his line cross Watery Fork to first station; 20 shillings 11 pence rent per year, surveyed for John Stroud Junr. 13 Aug 1757. Thomas Cate & John Edwards, SCC.^[15]

• 26 Aug 1785 - Orange, North Carolina: John Stroud of Orange to William Stroud of Orange, 50 pds, 250 acres on the East side of Collins Creek, at the mouth of Field Br... to mouth of Rocky Br...then East to School House Spring Br... Wit: Mark Stroud, Angie Price, Isaac Stroud. John Stroud (Seal) Proved by Isaac Stroud and ordered recorded, August Court, 1785.^[16]

• 21 Apr 1787 - Orange, North Carolina: John Stroud of Orange to James Willis of Cumberland, 300 pds., 550 acres on both sides of Collingses Cr, begin at a dogwood on Mebanes Br, E to a black jack to the NW cor, S to a maple, E to a post oak, N to the Schoolhouse Spring Br, down branch to creek, up creek to Rocky Br, up branch to a pine, E on Wm. Strouds line to the cor. On a black jack cor., S 45 ch to a white oak saplin, E to a persimmon tree cor., S to beginning, to Stroud by deed; signed: John Stroud, Sarah (S) Stroud. Wit: Wm. Stroud, Wm. (W) Willis, Edward Howell; proved by Willis May Term 1787.^[17]

Will

He made his will on 21 Jan 1805; it was probated 6 Jan 1806. Names wife Sarah; children William, James, Margaret, Isaac, John, Betty, Hannah, Tabitha, Sally, Mark.^[18]

Research Notes

The below was posted on ancestry.com: There are two conflicting accounts of the ancestry of John Stroud (1732 - 1805).

The first one is represented by The Strouds: A Colonial Family of English Descent, by A. B. Stroud (1919). This gives the parents of John as Barnet Stroud. But there is next to no documentation offered, nor can supporting documentation be found elsewhere.

But there is another account that has John Stroud (d 1805) as the son of John Stroud (b 1703, Prince George Co VA). It is somewhat represented by Strouds and Stubblefields of Virginia, by David B. Trimble (1998). Though it does not name our John, it does include the John born 1703, and has him as the son of John Stroud (b about 1668, d about 1737, VA).

The sons of this first John include Joseph, William, John and Joshua. What is interesting is that William (b 1700 VA d after Feb 1783, Tryon Co NC) had a son named William (b 1732 VA d 1786 Orange Co NC).

One reason this is interesting is that both accounts have our John (d 1805) as having lived in Orange Co NC and having several children there. However, A.B. Stroud's book does not have anything of a William in Orange Co.

Much more interesting, however, is the DNA evidence. Though I have encountered no DNA connection with any descendents of Barnet Stroud's other children (apart from our John, whose parentage is at issue), I DO have DNA connection with many descendents of William Stroud who died 1783 in Tryon/Lincoln, NC.

This suggests to me, then, that our John was not the son of Barnet Stroud but comes from the line of John Stroud who died c 1737 in VA.

There apparantly were two John Strouds, and they have been interchanged and confused for a very long time. There is the John Stroud that left a will in 1805 in Clarke County, Georgia in late Dec. 1805. And then there is the John Stroud that is said to have died circa 1827-1835 by drowning while crossing a creek. This event was noted in an 1875 letter of the great-grandson of John, also named John (who was the son of William, eldest son of Mark, son of John), age 48, who stated that his great-grandfather John drowned while crossing an angular log across a creek. In conversation with Rev. F. M. Haygood, another grandson of John Stroud, he related his recollection of the death of John Stroud in substantially the following language: "Grandfather John, then 105 years old. was residing with one of his sons, and decided one afternoon that he would spend the night with another son who lived near by and across a small stream, promising to return the following morning. Failing to appear the next morning, the family felt uneasy and a member was sent to see after him. Reaching the crossing of the creek, the messenger was horrified to find the old gentleman drowned in a shallow pool of water where he had tripped and fallen, and being too feeble to right himself had drowned."^[19]

Sources

1. ↑ Source: #S112
2. ↑ Source: #S74
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10. ↑ Source: #S122 Page: Document: Telamon Cuyler Collection, Manuscript #1170 [Hargrett Library, University of Georgia]; Call Number: Box 42, Folder 5; Page Number: 1; Family Number: 29
11. ↑ Source: #S112
12. ↑ Source: #S114
13. ↑ Source: #S122 Page: Document: Telamon Cuyler Collection, Manuscript #1170 [Hargrett Library, University of Georgia]; Call Number: Box 42, Folder 5; Page Number: 1; Family Number: 29
14. ↑ Granville, North Carolina Proprietary Deeds & Surveys, p. 19, #57.
15. ↑ Granville, NC Proprietary Deeds & Surveys, #260 (see also NC Patent Book 12:33)
16. ↑ FamilySearch Digital Collections. "Record of deeds, v. 1 1755-1756 Record of deeds, v. 2 1769-1783 Record of deeds, v. 3, pages 1-420 1768-1787." 26 Aug 1785, John Stroud to William Stroud Vol. 2, p. 172, Image 236 of 655. FHL Film #19474, FHL Digitized Film #7517554. www.familysearch.org Accessed 7 Oct 2021.
17. ↑ Orange Co, NC deed records
18. ↑ Clarke County, Georgia, Will Book A, Folio 13
19. ↑ The Strouds : a colonial family of English descent, published 1919, pp.27-28

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• https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15529824/john-stroud
• His Will is in Clarke county, Georgia Book A, page 30 which was probated March 1807.
• Buried at Mars Hill Cemetery at FAG#15529824

Research Notes

The following information was included in the profile. It is apparently for a different John Stroud, son of Bernard.

The earlier years of John Stroud's life were eventful. Born in Amwell Township, Hunterdon County, New Jersey in 1732, at a time when the Indians were troublesome and the country was being rapidly settled up, it was but natural that he should lead an active life. He was a man of a fine constitution. Fond of the chase and much a hunter he grew up self-reliant.

When he was ten years old his father moved over the line into Pennsylvania, and it was here he grew to manhood. The French and Indians were constantly at war with the English settlers.

When about twenty-one years of age he was wounded and captured in battle and reported dead. After a long while in captivity, he escaped to the west and did not return to his home but finally returned to the joy of his people.