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John Swasey (abt. 1584 - abt. 1686)

John Swasey aka Swayze [uncertain]
Born about in Englandmap [uncertain]
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married about 1610 in Sherborne, Dorset, Englandmap [uncertain]
[children unknown]
Died about at about age 102 in Southold, Long Island, New Yorkmap
Profile last modified | Created 4 Jun 2011
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John Swasey is currently protected by the Puritan Great Migration Project for reasons described in the narrative.
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This person may not have existed. This profile is being overseen by the PGM project due to confusion about his immigration date to New England, as well as his “sons” John and Joseph Swasey.

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Biography

According to Benjamin Franklin Swasey, in his 1910 book, Genealogy of the Swasey Family, John Swasey-5 of this profile was born in 1584 in England and arrived in Salem, Massachusetts with his two "sons", John Swazey-126, and Joseph Swazey-101 in about 1632. [1]

It has been noted, however, that there are no records to support these statements, -- no evidence that John Swasey-5 was the father of John Swazey-126 and Joseph Swazey-101 or that John and Joseph were brothers. Therefore John and Joseph's parents are currently shown as unknown.

There is also no record of the family being in Massachusetts before about 1650.

Research notes

The data for this profile (in the data fields) is copied from Benjamin Franklin Swasey, Genealogy of the Swasey family. [2] However, this book does not cite its sources; original documentation is sought.

Notes on Arrival

Did the Swaseys of this profile arrive in 1632? The "sources" for this claim are auto-aggregated from ancestry.com with, let's say "highly variable", quality:

  • Colket's "Founders of Early America" must be completely disregarded. The funding "Patriots" organization is a vanity membership group which does not vet the submissions of it's members.
  • Marion Turk's 1983 "The quiet adventurers in North America" asserts that John arrived with sons John and Joseph p. 618 Swasey. Her focus was Channel Islands immigrants and noted that John Swazey "was said to be of Jersey" and that, along with Phillip English who was apparently from Jersey, "laid out English Street in Salem with John's sons" noting that John had 7 children. She then went on to say that a DIFFERENT John Swasey came from England in 1632 with sons John & Joseph, that they were Quakers and that they removed from Salem to Southold, Long Island. Turk gives as her sources the December 1930 "Boston Transcript", Perley III; Swasey and "Driver Gen".
    • Perley is Sydney Perley's "History of Salem 3:7 which starts the family in New England with John "Junior" who married Katherine King but says nothing of their English origins and says that this John died in 1706 at Aquaboge, Long Island (his profile says 1692 but is unsourced).
    • The Boston Evening Transcript Genealogy sections from December 1930 is available at familysearch.org but is not indexed so may take some time to review this well-known genealogy column. Again, these were typically reader submissions with highly variable quality and sourcing. Swazey in any of it's spellings does not seem to appear as a primary topic of either the "Questions" or "Answers" sections so why it was included in Turk's sources is not yet clear but it seemed to be associated with their removal to Southold, LI rather than their supposed English origin.
    • "Swasey" is ([er the Bibliography) the Swasey Family Genealogy from 1910 cited on this profile which, as has been noted, is unsourced.
    • "Driver Gen" is the 1889 Driver Family book by Harriet Ruth Waters Cooke. It first encounters a Swasey in about 1727 marrying into the Driver family so says nothing about the Swazey family origins.
So ancestry.com's "U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s" claim for a 1632 immigration relies on Colket, which is completely unreliable, and Turk, who relies solely on the unsourced 1910 writings of Benjamin Franklin Swasey.

For additional notes see John Swasey Research Notes.

Sources

  1. Swasey, Benjamin Franklin. Genealogy of the Swasey Family Privately Printed for Ambrose Swasey, Cleveland, Ohio 1910, p. 33 - 35. p. 33 - 35
  2. Benjamin Franklin Swasey, Genealogy of the Swasey family : which includes the descendants of the Swezey families of Southhold, Long Island, New York and the descendants of the Swayze families of Roxbury, now Chester, New Jersey, Cleveland, OH: Private Printing 1910, starting on page 19




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What do we think about merging this profile with John Swazey, given the info in the research notes above. This would give a more accurate representation of the situation, it would seem.
posted by J. West
edited by J. West
The dates are quite far apart. What sources indicate that these might represent the same person?
posted by S (Hill) Willson
I guess the point is that the dates and other info appear to have been made up and Swasey-5 may not have existed, but maybe merging is not the right solution.
posted by J. West
A recent edit removed, "His will was dated 20 May 1692, proved in the Prerogative Court, 12 Nov 1692." Which had been flagged as citation needed.

Has this evidence been disproven? --Gene

posted by GeneJ X
The John Swasey of this profile is shown as having died at age 102 in about 1686. The will is dated 1692 and is the will of his "son", John Swazey, not the will of John Swasey of this profile. This was noted in the change feed when the change was made.
posted by J. West
edited by J. West
I am not certain this person immigrated to New England by 1640. There are statements in the bio to the effect that he was in New England by then, but they lack reliable sourcing. He is not included in Anderson's Directory, either.

He is a candidate for removal from PGM managed profiles,

posted by S (Hill) Willson
I'll take a swing through the usual immigration suspects (Hotten etc) and the Salem Quarterly Court, MBCR, Essex Deeds to see if they pop up anywhere.
posted by Brad Stauf
Two wives Margaret, married about the same time and neither one sourced. Any opinions from recent editors on the validity of "Smith" vs Unknown and whether we should submit a merge?
posted by Brad Stauf
Margaret was buried on 19 January 1623 in Bridport, Dorset, England.<ref>

Burial: "Dorset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812"

Dorset History Centre; Dorchester, England; Dorset Parish Registers; Reference: PE/BT:RE1

Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 2243 #1295801 (accessed 14 October 2022)

Margaret Swasie burial on 19 Jan 1623 in Bridport, Dorset, England. </ref>

posted by Ann Browning
Any marriage record for her in Dorset ? See new comment above from Brad Stauf.
posted by J. West
No unfortunately not might have to go through the register
posted by Ann Browning
May be dealing with an alias here, I’m going to look for Gillam as well.

See this record

Josephe, son of Richard Swasie Or Gillam, was baptised on 22 April 1627 in Bridport, Dorset, England.<ref> Baptism: "England, Select Dorset Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1999"

England, Dorset, Parish Registers. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013; FHL Film Number: 2427417

Ancestry Record 9849 #322336 (accessed 15 October 2022)

Josephe Swasie Or Gillam baptism on 22 Apr 1627, son of Richard Swasie Or Gillam, in Bridport, Dorset, England. </ref> Josephe, son of Richard Swasie Or Gillam, was baptised on 22 April 1627 in Bridport, Dorset, England.<ref> Baptism: "England, Select Dorset Church of England Parish Registers, 1538-1999"

England, Dorset, Parish Registers. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013; FHL Film Number: 2427417

Ancestry Record 9849 #322336 (accessed 15 October 2022)

Josephe Swasie Or Gillam baptism on 22 Apr 1627, son of Richard Swasie Or Gillam, in Bridport, Dorset, England. </ref>

posted by Ann Browning
Swayze-213 and Swasey-5 appear to represent the same person because: Variant surname, same wife, marriage year, death place
posted by Lynn Drasdo
http://www.djs.org/jmswayze2014talk.pdf

http://djs.org/75threunion.html

Interesting paper on the Swayze family, which max explain some of the discrepancies concerning the two John‘s and ages and dates.

posted by Robert Kinney Jr.
edited by Robert Kinney Jr.
Cheryl, I added something in Research Notes from the Suffolk County ( NY) Society Register. First section is from the same book we have already but the second paragraph has more information.

Also, Ancestry.com has the Colket arrival date as 1632, original source Filby, as is listed here.

posted by Ellen Gustafson
Thanks everybody for looking at this. Ellen pointed out that the Swayze’s may be of Huguenot origin.

I found this article here, but without a source for the Huguenot claim. http://wkcurrent.com/after-pioneering-mississippi-swayzes-sought-health-here-years-ago-p1942-71.htm

BRgds, Robert

posted by Robert Kinney Jr.
Robert, so much fun reading the article from the "West Kerr Current." Thank you for posting. Although I can see no citations, it is interesting reading.

I have several articles in my possession from the Current, those I collected when I was researching the genealogy of my step mother who lives in the area. They as well are interesting reads, especially I enjoy the more recent *heresay* genealogy from folks whose families have lived in the area for many generations.

Cheryl S., are you watching? This is a PGM Beyond profile...
posted by Jillaine Smith
I have followed my in-laws (me, being an outlaw) back to Joseph who is an ancestor of US Patriot Major Joseph (Harvard graduate, though, the esteemed Crimson has him as John). So, I have become interested in this. Looks like an arrival after 1640? This side of the family uses Swasey.
posted by John M. Switlik
edited by John M. Switlik
John, I think it's likely they were in New England by 1640. Joseph was supposedly made freeman in 1632 in Boston, but this needs confirming. John Sr apparently had a land grant in 1640 in Salem. Again, needs confirming.
posted by Jillaine Smith
I'm here now, and reviewing...............................................

I'll need to come back to this after I've done some other things.

posted by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
edited by Cheryl (Aldrich) Skordahl
This profile was brought into the PGM project in 2017 by someone who is not badged in the project.

I see Jillaine's note about uncertainty of Joseph's freemanship and John Sr's land grant. I think we need sources for these undetermined happenings.

I won't be putting PGM Beyond sticker here for now because of unresolved questions. And I'm uncertain whether this profile should retain PGM status.

I see under source by FILBY that "citation provides evidence for Arrival, Name," however I cannot find that source online so am unable to accesss it.

Comments?

There’s not much information about him. I’ll look for the Filby citation, may be on Ancestry.com.
posted by Ellen Gustafson
I am confused about the origin of of our Swayze ancestors. Here it appears that they immigrated from England/Wales, and then moved from Salem via Long Island to New Jersey. However, it also appears that many publications indicate that the Swayze family may have come from Germany. I would appreciate if somebody could clarify.

THX, Robert Kinney

posted by Robert Kinney Jr.
Notes say they might have been Huguenots. Btw his wife has a burial date of 1618, but her date of death is 1623. I can’t open the Ancestry links.
posted by Ellen Gustafson
Looks like there may be multiple problems with this profile.

In addition to above, Anderson does not cover him which suggests that Colket was inaccurate in the emigration year.

posted by Jillaine Smith
I did some digging. NEHGS, including the Register, has little to anything about him.

Turns out that the bulk of the narrative in this profile was copy/pasted from a 1910 genealogy, which may be factual, but which-- as most of its kind from 1885-1910-- did not cite its sources. We need to confirm the claims of the genealogy through original sources.

Robert: John the immigrant had two sons-- John and Joseph. The 1910 author assumes they came from County Suffolk, England, because many others (he claimed) who settled in Southhold, Long Island, also did. But this should be confirmed. The 1910 author describes the Welsh tradition in his book (now linked to above); it's pretty weak.

John Sr and his son John Jr removed from Salem (where the family had initially settled) to Southold, Long Island. Son Joseph remained in Salem. So there are two branches of the family after this-- those who remained in Salem (descendants of Joseph), and those who went south (descendants of John Jr). And no surprise that some of the southern family (if Long Island can be called "southern") removed even further south/west to New Jersey. Many families-- especially Quakers-- did so at that time.

posted by Jillaine Smith
Swazey-134 and Swazey-124 appear to represent the same person because: data appears same
posted by Terry Mandeville

Rejected matches › John Swazey (1619-1692)