Mary (Talbot) Notyngham

Mary (Talbot) Notyngham (abt. 1382 - 1434)

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Mary Notyngham formerly Talbot aka Greene
Born about in Herefordshire, Englandmap [uncertain]
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Wife of — married about 1395 in Englandmap
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Died in Green's Norton, Northamptonshire, Englandmap [uncertain]
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Biography

Mary Talbot was the daughter of Richard Talbot and Ankaret Le Strange. The Inquisition Post Mortem of Elizabeth Mowbray on 12 Sep, 7 Richard II (1383)[1] recorded that Ankaret, daughter of John Le Strange of Blakemere, Knight, had married Richard Talbot, Knight, and they had two daughters Elizabeth and Mary.

Mary Talbot married Sir Thomas Greene, son of another Sir Thomas Greene.[2][3] A pedigree of Boketon/Green of Boughton and Green’s Norton, Northamptonshire, stated that Mary Talbot, daughter of Richard Talbot and Ankaret Strange, married Sir Thomas Green, son of Sir Thomas Green and a daughter of Sir John Mablethorp. Mary and Thomas had two children; Thomas who married Philippa Ferrers, and Amabilia who married firstly Sir John Chetwode and secondly Sir Thomas Strange.[4] In the Talbot pedigree in the Visitation of Yorkshire it stated that Mary Talbot married Sir Thomas 'Grey' (but which presumably should read Greene) of whom the Marquis of Northampton is descended.[5]

Thomas Grene, Knight, husband of Mary Talbot, died on 14 Dec 1417 and his heir was his son Thomas Grene, Knight, age 18.[3][6][7]

Between 23 April and 28 June she (described as Marion, Lady de Grene) was resident with two servants at the Talbot estate of Blakemere, Shropshire.[8]

On 25 Jul 1418, the Inquisition of her late husband's lands in Leicestershire stated that "Mary his widow married John Notyngham without licence. They entered the manor of Kegworth against the king’s right and have taken the profits since the death of Thomas".[6]

In 12 Henry VI (1433-1434) there was an Inquisition Post Mortem for Mary Greene, formerly the wife of Thomas Greene, Knight.[9], which is perhaps from where Richardson noted her date of death of 13 Apr 1434.[3] Colket[10] gave the date of death as 13 Apr 1433.

Monuments

The Greene monuments at St Bartholomew, Green’s Norton, Northamptonshire, now largely destroyed, were described by Halstead in 1685.[11] There was a tomb for Sir Thomas Greene and Mary Talbot. The Inscription was in Latin, a translation of which is:

"Here lies Thomas Greene, Knight, son and heir of Thomas Greene, Knight, son and heir of Henry Greene, Knight, one of the Justices of King Edward Third, and Mary, his wife, the daughter of Lord Talbot, to whose souls may god be gracious. Amen."

On the side of this was a shield bearing Greene impaling Talbot – argent, a lion rampant gules, within a bordure engrailed of the last.

Mary was also noted on the monument to her grandson at St Bartholomew, Green’s Norton, as follows:

"Here lies Thomas Greene, Knight, Lord of Norton, and Matilda, his wife. The said Thomas was son and heir of Thomas Greene, Knight, Lord of the same, and of Philippa, his wife, who was the daughter of Robert, Lord Ferrars of Charteley, and of Elizabeth his wife, daughter of Lord Thomas de Spencer. Thomas Greene, the father of Thomas aforesaid, was son and heir of Thomas Greene, Knight, Lord of Norton aforesaid, and of Mary his wife, daughter of Richard, Lord Talbot, and of Ankarete, his wife, who was the daughter and heir of Lord Strange of Blackmere. Thomas, son of Thomas and Philippa aforesaid, died on the ninth of September, A.D. 1462; and the said Matilda, one of the daughters of John Throckmorton, Esq., formerly Under-Treasurer of England, died on the …. Of the month of … A.D. 14 … May God be gracious to their souls."

Ela Mallory

Some other internet genealogies state that the wife of Thomas Greene was an Ela Mallory. There is much confusion about the birth/marriage/death dates of Ela Mallory. She must have been born about 1382 in order to be the right age for her documented parents and spouse and children, both she and her mother would have been about 40 when the documented children were born. Other researchers speculate a granddaughter rather than a daughter relationship with Sir Thomas, with missing not-named parents. Greene men typically married much younger wives. This results in a gap between her and her commonly named son, John "the fugitive" deGreen, explained by an intermediate son born about 1426, likely Robert Greene, who had son John Greene born about 1448. Records were lost during the War of the Roses, but the ancestry of his descendants, the Gillingham Greenes, can be traced through the Greene Coat of Arms, which they were authorized to wear by right of descent from the beheaded Sir Henry de Greene.

Many other records show Ela b 1440 m 1449 d 1465, in order to match up with a different spouse, which would not be possible with parents b 1340 d 1393.

Sources

  1. M. C. B. Dawes, A. C. Wood and D. H. Gifford. "Inquisitions Post Mortem, Richard II, File 32," in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Volume 15, Richard II, (London: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1970), 386-402. British History Online, accessed April 17, 2016, [1]
  2. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, Eighth Edition, 2004. [2].
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 Richardson D (2011) Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p260. Greene.
  4. History and Antiquities of the County of Northampton. By George Baker. Vol 1, Published London 1822-1830, p.32. [3]
  5. The Visitation of Yorkshire in the years 1563 and 1564. The Publications of the Harleian Society, Vol XVI, 1881. Talbot Pedigree p307.
  6. 6.0 6.1 J. L. Kirby, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry V, Entries 750-799', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 20, Henry V (London, 1995), pp. 234-248. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol20/pp234-248. Thomas Grene, Knight.
  7. Inquisitions Post Mortem relating to Yorkshire, of the Reigns of Henry IV and Henry V. Baildon and Clay (Eds.). The Yorkshire Archaeological Society. Record Series. Vol. LIX. 1918, p137. IPM Thomas Grene, Chivaler. [4].
  8. Barbara Ross (2003) Accounts of the Stewards of the Talbot Household at Blakemere 1392-1425. Shropshire Record Series Vol 7, p112 &121.
  9. Inquisition Post Mortem. Greene, Mary, who was the wife of Thomas, kt: Yorks, Leics, Bucks, Lincs, Northants. 12 Hen VI (1433-1434). C 139/63/20. National Archives. [not seen]
  10. The English ancestry of Anne Marbury Hutchinson and Katherine Marbury Scott, including their descent and that of John Dryden, poet-laureate, from Magna charta sureties with notes on the English connections of the settlers William Wentworth and Christopher Lawson of New Hampshire and Francis Marbury of Maryland, by Meredith B. Colket, jr.; with the collaboration of Edward N. Dunlap. Published Philadelphia 1936, p.36. [5]
  11. The Greene Family in England and America with Pedigrees. Published Boston 1901. [6].
  • ROYAL ANCESTRY by Douglas Richardson Vol. V page 121
  • [7] Families directly descended from all the Royal Families in Europe. page 71


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On 6 Aug 2019 at 17:56 GMT Steve Hunt wrote:

Removed Thomas Kelly as a spouse as his wife was a different Talbot

On 17 Sep 2018 at 19:57 GMT David Cooper wrote:

If Thomas Kelly didn't die until 1414 he can't have been the husband of Mary Talbot who was having children with Thomas Green before 1400. Particularly as Thomas Kelly's biography names his wife as Elizabeth Talbot dau of William Talbot. I'm happy to make the necessary amendments.

On 17 Sep 2018 at 16:22 GMT David Cooper wrote:

There's something seriously wrong here, with Mary Talbot giving birth between 1396 and 1470. At least two families seem to have been conflated, probably in an attempt to link the Gillingham Greenes with the Green's Norton family. I'll take a look at them, but any thoughts would be appreciated.

On 27 Jul 2017 at 15:57 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

The bio is apparently for a different person than Mary Talbot.

On 16 Mar 2015 at 00:46 GMT Cheryl Hammond wrote:

Hello PMs! Wanted to let you know that I'll be working on documenting Thomas Owsley's Magna Carta Trail on behalf of the Magna Carta Project. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions.

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