Jean (Tennant) Skar
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Priscilla Jean Tennant, born In Montana, grew up in Canada, lives in Norway.
Nisbet tartan |
My mother was a Nisbet.
Norwegians are among the most effective and happiest nations in the world. Norwegian tradition is to be considerate and not waste yours or their time with unnecessary words, greetings and small talk. No one has been able to find a universal form of politeness. Others are rude if they do not meet our expectations of polite behavior. These expectations are based on our upbringing and what we think is polite.
According to many tourists and immigrants in Norway, Norwegians, and Scandinavians in general, are cold and rude. We all have different ways of conducting ourselves depending on where we are from. What is rude in one country may be perceived as polite in another. So after 50 years in Norway sorry if i come across being rude I don't mean too. FOR general cultural differences see https://www.commisceo-global.com/resources/country-guides
Norwegians are known for being extremely efficient and task-oriented. According to a Study by Associate Professor Kristin Rygg at the Norwegian School of Economics. When Norwegians write an e-mail, few of us beat about the bush.
Norwegians are direct communicators.
The Pre-1700 certification process indicates that you should provide who made the record, what the record is, when the record was made, and where you found the record. So, you can use a link (not on profiles I manage) that will make errors in the future when they change, or create a "COMPLETE" citation.
My Person goal add many years of research that I have collected, so it is shared and not lost. (Instead of finishing one profile at a time as recommended) Great Bios can always be written later if the sources are there!
I have loads of sources collected through time and did not register when accessed or what source of many I used or if they were shared with me or seen by me-- so the Chicago citations does not always work--I do have the source of the information
I use transcription as they are so much easier to understand for people that are not used to genealogy to actual see and understand with out having to go to a new website. I also believe it makes the profile and reference way easier to understand and still give the needed sources. Also attracts more people to Wikitree As I do not use links (2 exceptions FAG and Irish civil records) but the original source name, on the profiles I manage I do not like when others add them for the above and following reasons that say what I believe so well--https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/quicklesson-26-thinking-through-an-ancestry.com-citation
Evidence-style citations to websites also addresses two other needs:
Please do not add links or stickers to the profiles I manage-- my preferences as active profile manage
WILL CHANGE THIS a bit -Links can change in the future and create errors I have spent hours correcting link errors on Wikitree on many of the older profiles and do not want to have more in the future on profiles I manage. I have also had my own website and that has been changed 4 times so know this creates problems finding the actual source information
Also the same info can be found in different places and a lot of links is just confusing --so I use a transcription and the actual first source/primary source of info so people can find a source no matter from which site
IMAGES I try and follow and expect others also do the same- The WikiTree Honor Code states We respect copyrights. We don't knowingly copy information that's owned by someone else. Also, the Terms of Service says "No Illegal or Infringing Content. You shall not post or transmit to the Website any material that You know or ought reasonably to have known (i) cannot be legally distributed (whether by law or regulation or in contempt of any court or other governmental authority or body); (ii) that infringes the copyrights, trademarks, trade secrets, or other proprietary rights ("Intellectual Property Rights") of any third party; or (iii) that contains any content that is illegal, threatening, harassing, defamatory, obscene, pornographic or indecent."
Should you mark information added by others as Uncertain?
Do not edit the certainty status on a data field without researching and evaluating the sources.
Genealogy--Its known to be true--its known to be wrong--or its unknown-and way to often it is claimed
Have been researching NNs=Nisbet Nesbit Nesbitt Nisbett etc the last years. Main goal has been to correct all the errors and document the lines, and help with the brick walls. Have spent hours in Edinburgh doing NN research in the archives and have documentation that is not found online.
Nesbitt/Nisbet Society genealogical advisors: Jean Skar: worldwide DNA coordinator and with wide-ranging British Isles expertise
Note: my own ancestors will add more sources Unfortunately because of a fire and loads of water damage it will take awhile to recover my documentation.
Why people do not find a record for their ancestor in Scotland or connect to wrong person as it is the only one that might fit. Only 99 of the 850 Scottish parishes that returned information on baptisms, marriages and burials for the 1801 census possessed regular registers – the remainder either kept no register at all, or made only sporadic entries That means 751 parishes are missing so the chance of finding your relation in these records around 1801 is only a little more than 11%
Once you get into the 18th century you'll find that parish records are scarce, and there is a temptation (which you must resist) to assume that a name you find that fits your idea of what the family tree looks like
I have abstracts of many of the Old Parish records and Statutory records of Scotland done in person when I have rented there for numerous months .
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Scotland_-_Copyright_and_Images_Guideline
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Nisbet_Name_Study
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I have an interest in STEWARTs, STUARTs, HAMILTONs, and NISBETs.
Not to long ago, WikiTree’s Relationship Tool indicated that we were distant cousins which, at the time seemed correct based on our GEDmatch comparison results of 4.5 cMs. I have two GEDmatch numbers. I used A50469 to compare with your number. I think, based on our comparison, that we are definitely distant cousins and our closest mutual ancestor(s) should be from about the late 1600s or early 1700s — based on our matches on several chromosomes, especially on Chromosome 15 where we share 4.5 CentiMorgans.
What are your thoughts about our GEDmatch comparison and our possible relationship through the surnames mentioned above?
By the way, I also made a GEDmatch comparison with Allan Stuart and Wendy Hamilton. We all match as distant cousins.
Hamilton maybe as I do have a Hamilton in my line that needs more research a match back more that 5 to 7 generations is very seldom so most unlikely any real match should usual be after 1750
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Jean
Thank you and thank you for all the work you do on our Scottish ancestors.
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I have an interest in STEWARTs, STUARTs, HAMILTONs, and NISBETs.
Not to long ago, WikiTree’s Relationship Tool indicated that we were distant cousins which, at the time seemed correct based on our GEDmatch comparison results of 4.5 cMs. I have two GEDmatch numbers. I used A50469 to compare with your number. I think, based on our comparison, that we are definitely distant cousins and our closest mutual ancestor(s) should be from about the late 1600s or early 1700s — based on our matches on several chromosomes, especially on Chromosome 15 where we share 4.5 CentiMorgans.
What are your thoughts about our GEDmatch comparison and our possible relationship through the surnames mentioned above?
By the way, I also made a GEDmatch comparison with Allan Stuart and Wendy Hamilton. We all match as distant cousins.
edited by Enrique Treat (Gleason Gleeson) Gleason Esq.
I received notification that you have added sources to my profile profiles which is great and many thanks for that.
However I do not understand some of your research notes. One for example here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Nesbitt-2619 where you have written "There seems to be an error in this treebut nees more sources to verify info". I am unaware of what error you are referring to and it would be useful to note that as I may have the answer to your query. As it is you are casting doubt on a tree without evidence. On this profile https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Nesbitt-2620&public=1 you have added this: "ERROR The image of the marriage shows clearly he married Sarah Morrison not Morrow Was he born Drumbo? not from there when married!" The explanation here is that the surname Morrow was given repeatedly for all of Sarah Morrison's children and therefore Morrow is correct. A more positive research note could perhaps be added to explain the surname discrepancy. I have not been able to consult the actual Church register where Morrow might indeed have been given (the civil registration is a copy of the original and a mistake may have occured in transcription). In addition you have noted that the marriage certificate shows place of residence as Ballymagarrick, as this is a townland in Drumbo I do not know why you have written what you have. Here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Nesbitt-2624 you have written "Note the Woodgrange male Nesbitts that are tested for Y-DNA do not match the other Nesbitt/Nisbet Groups. They do match one Nisbet line from Shetland." I do not understand this either as there is no reference to Woodgrange anywhere in this family. You also have a research not e saying"Note image gives fathers name as William Thomas not William J" - the father is shown as William Thomas and there is no reference whatsoever to a William J so again your note seems oddly out of context. Surely these research notes would be better for you to keep privately and not on a public forum such as WikiTree where they are potentially misleading? They don't always seem to link to the profiles they are on and, as such, are potentially misleading when on a one world tree.
Sorry but wait until I am finished as I am working on the Nesbitts of Woodgrange and their YDNA related branches You have no very little or no real sourcing on these profiles so I am adding what I have I have been doing Nesbitt research for over 20 years and DNA coordinator for about 15 so do have a lot of information and huge database of Nesbitts
If your tree is correct (hard for me to tell as you have very little sources that I can control -which is why I am adding sources and comments) you belong to the group that is related to Nesbitts of Woodgrange so the comment I added about YDNA is very relevant. We have a few that have done the YDNA from this related branch and I will try and get them to add that to Wikitree when I get the lines sorted out for the older generations and sources
Sorry about unclear comments I will clean them up when done adding the sources I have.
For Sarah your reference is marriage certificate and when I check the marriage certificate that the name does not agree with what you have written! I have uploaded the image under fair use since there is a conflict of information -unless you have a better source (than others transcriptions) It appears to me that her name is Morrison. So I added the comment. The same goes for William J there is no doubt the image says William Thomas so that is correct according to the source. Your William J I suspect is an error where the T is misread as a J---(J is also found on the transcription of memorials but as the certificate writes the whole name and not an initial I am sure it should be Thomas and the T was misread and thought to be a J--I haven't seen a picture of the memorial so have no idea what it actually looks like)
The research notes need to be on the profile as there is conflicting information and as I take my information directly from the images It is only fitting that I add a research note. Jean
Thanks for your reply. I am very interested in what you have on the Woodgrange family so I am very prepared to wait now I have a better understanding.
Re. Morrow/Morrison: the births of John and Sarah's 10 children are also clear documentary evidence that show the name is Morrow. You will also find there is no Morrison living in the townland on the Tithe Valuation or the Griffiths Valuation. There is however an S Morrow (likely to be Sarah Morrow's father) in Ballymagarrick, precisely where Sarah lived. http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/drumbo-parish.php Whilst I agree a note should be added to show Morrison was given on the marriage, the weight of evidence is mounting to show that this was in fact an error and therefore it would be good to have the full scenario outlined here to avoid misleading those who look at this profile.
I still don't get the William J point - I haven't at any time added any reference to a William J. All my documentary evidence gives father as William Thomas and there doesn't seem to be any doubt about this so where is the William J coming from? William Thomas was his name at birth, marriage and for the births of his children. Both census records are also clearly William Thomas. I don't see any references to a William J anywhere. So it seems odd to be saying he isn't Willkiuam j when there is no evidence suggesting he was ever referred to as that.
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I'm a Jacksonville, Alabama Nisbet. I have read with interest your correct comments on James Nisbet's Find a grave page. On that page, you make the comment that "John Nisbet 1705–1755 matches Nesbitt from County Tyrone Ireland and his wife Sarah Brevard belongs to the French Hugenotts." With that being said, who was John Nisbet 1705-1755 father?
With all that being said, based on DNA, where are my ancestors from in Ireland and Scotland?
Also, given the genealogical information from Murdoch Nisbet's new testament, ARE there any descendants of Martyr John's line? In the introduction to the 1902 reprint of Murdoch's New Testament "The manuscript in the main tells its own story. On a blank page blank page, f. 231 V., are several signatures and memoranda of ownership, thus :
I resaueit this buke in the yeir of God ane thowsand fyue hundreth fourscore and sextene Ewin at med summer quhilk wes the euell summer that all witellis war soden. [Alexander Nisbet]
I resaueit this buke in the yeir of God ane thowsand six bonder tuenti four yeir at Youll. James Neisbit with my hand. Lord keep me now and ewermear for I am en sinner. James Neisbit.
I resiueit this booke in the yeir of God a thousand sex hander fourti fyue yeirs at the trid day of March. Johne Nesbeit. I reseavit this booke the yeare of God 1645 the elewent day of March. JOHNE Neisbitt with my hand."
I reseavit this booke the yeare of God 1645 the elewent day of March. JOHNE Neisbitt with my hand.
Thus the genealogy of Murdoch: Murdoch to Alexander (1596) to James (1624) to John (to John (1645). John (1645) was called John Nisbet of Hardhill and was hanged on December 4, 1685 at Grass Market at Edinburgh by orders of King Charles II (although James II was on the throne by December 1685).
I can email you a complete PDF of the new testament if you don't have it.
Thanks. The DNA is making me rethink a whole lot of what I thought I knew.
John
Thanks for the updates and corrections for the Nesbit profiles. That's my sister's husband's line, and a nephew has been trying to put it together. I haven't looked at it for some time, but have "met" a couple of new people on my mother's tree, so have been concentrating there.
Jason
I have seen your Nesbitt postings and you are doing great work!
My brick wall is my wife's g-g-grandfather Henry J Nesbitt born about 1828 in Ireland and emmigrated to New York City in 1949. He died in NYC in 1886. His wife was Anastasia (Annie) Grace and only son was James. Letters of administration show he left a small inheritance to James that was in the Mohill area of Leitrim.
Do you have any information that would lead me to his parents?
Jerry Campo [email address removed]