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Jean-Baptiste Terrien (1680 - 1759)

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Jean-Baptiste Terrien
Born in St-Jean, Île d'Orléans, Canada, Nouvelle-Francemap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married 9 Nov 1700 in Trois-Rivières, Canada, Nouvelle-Francemap
Descendants descendants
Died in Nicolet, Canada, Nouvelle-Francemap
Profile last modified 16 Dec 2018 | Created 10 Dec 2010
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Biography

He was the son of Pierre Terrien and Gabrielle Mineau.

Jean-Baptiste Terrien was baptised on 10 February 1680 at St-Jean, Ile-d'Orléans. Parentage lacking other than father's name Terrien, record damaged. The record is partially illegible and provides no other detail[1]. At the census of 1681 he is two years old and living with his parents and four older siblings in Ste-Famille[2].

Recensement 1681 Census: COMTÉ DE ST-LAURENT (Île d'Orléans)

Pierre Terrien 40 ; Gabrielle Minot (Mignot), sa femme, 24 ; enfants : Pierre 9, Louis 5, Jeanne 6, André 4, Jeanne 2 (sic, Jean); 1 vache ; 6 arpents en valeur.[3]

Note: This man appears to have been attached to wrong parents. Evidence to support this assertion: Baptisms of his first 2 children have as godparents: Pierre Terrien, and Ignace Terrien, both baptisms done in St-Jean, Île d'Orléans. No relationships given.[4]

Ignace Terrien was born 24 Jan 1682, bapt 1 Feb in St-Jean, I.O., son of Pierre Terrien and Gabrielle Minot (or Minaude on his marriage act). His brother Pierre Terrienne (sic) was born 28 Sept 1672 on Île aux Grues, bapt 16 Oct Québec (ND)[4]
This Jean-Baptiste Terrien never used the name Duhême nor the name Lemaitre in any record for his family. No record of any contact whatsoever between him and any of the Rigaud children on any baptism or marriage of his children.[4] So he cannot be the son of Jean Terrien and Judith Rigaud. There was a transfer of property done by him to his brother Ignace in 1709, which settles the matter.

Marriage

Marguerite Lampron had signed a previous marriage contract in 1698, which had no marriage following it. No marriage contract found for Jean Baptiste and Marguerite.

Jean Terrien married Marguerite Lampron (dite Lacharité) on 9 Nov 1700 in Trois-Rivières[5]. No parents are named on the record, and the witnesses are not named in the act but just signed at the bottom, legible ones are Joseph Baudry, Jean Fonhaite (?? uncertain), priest being Luc Filiastre, Récollet.

8 known children, 7 known to marry.[4]

He is the Jean-Baptiste Terrien who received a concession in Nicolet in 1707:

Concession d’une terre de 8 arpents par Jean-Baptiste Poulin de Courval, seigneur de Nicolet, à Jean-Baptiste Terrien ( 11 septembre 1707). Vol XXVII pg 239 Notaire Étienne Véron de Grandmesnil[6]

Thereafter his children are baptized in Trois-Rivières, with most having the notation of Nicolet residence. The last child is baptized in Nicolet.[4]

In 1709 he made a transfer to Ignace Terrien, his brother:

Transport de Jean Baptiste Terrien à Ignace Terrien (21 février 1709). Vol VII pg 188 Notaire François Genaple[6]

He died in Nicolet on 23 May 1759, funeral the next day.[7] Note Record is transcription, not original, so unable to verify accuracy of age given of 86 years.

Various acts pertaining to his children:

Contrat de mariage entre Jean-Baptiste Terrien, fils de Jean-Baptiste Terrien et de Marguerite Lampion, de Nicolet; et Jeanne Benoits, fille de Gabriel Benoits et de feue Marie-Magdelaine Roussel, de Baie du Febvre (7 septembre 1823). Vol XXVII pg 14 Notaire Pierre Petit[6]

Contrat de mariage entre Pierre Cottret, fils de feu René Cottret et de Marguerite Gladu, de Nicolet; et Louise Terrien, fille de Jean-Baptiste Terrien et de Marguerite Lampron, dudit lieu (10 octobre 1725). Vol XXVII pg 31 Notaire Pierre Petit[6]

Vente d’une terre à Nicolet, par Jean-Baptiste Terrien, père, dudit lieu, à Joseph Terrien, son fils, dudit lieu (7 octobre 1731). Vol XXVII pg 72 Notaire Pierre Petit[6]

Conventions de mariage entre Guillaume Dubois, assisté de René Guay, seigneur du fief Moras; et Marie-Magdelaine Terrien, fille de Jean-Baptiste Terrien, écrites par Joseph Cardin, curé de Nicolet (9 février 1732). Vol XXVII pg 74 Notaire Pierre Petit[6]

Ratification du contrat de mariage entre Guillaume Dubois et Marie-Magdelaine Terrien, de Nicolet, dont les conventions avaient été écrites par Joseph Cardin, curé dudit lieu (26 mars 1732). Vol XXVII pg 75 Notaire Pierre Petit[6]

Conventions de mariage entre Joseph Terrien, 23 ans, fils de Jean-Baptiste Terrien, de Nicolet; et Françoise Benoît, 24 ans, fille de Gabriel Benoît, de Baie du Febvre, écrites par Joseph Cardin, curé de Nicolet (27 avril 1732). Vol XXVII pg 76 Notaire Pierre Petit[6]

Ratification du contrat de mariage entre Joseph Terrien, fils, et Françoise Benoist, sa femme, de Nicolet, dont les conventions avaient été écrites par Joseph Cardin, curé dudit lieu (5 juin 1732). Vol XXVII pg 77 Notaire Pierre Petit[6]

Contrat de mariage entre Antoine Lefebvre-Decoteaux, 28 ans, fils de Ange Lefebvre-Descôteaux et de feue Magdelaine Cusson, de Baie du Febvre; et Marie-Anne Terrien, fille de Jean-Baptiste Terrien et de Marguerite Lampron, de Nicolet (18 mai 1733). Vol XXVII pg 82 Notaire Pierre Petit[6]

Sources

Repository: Nos origines erroneous parentage given

  1. PRDH record #38073
  2. PRDH record #97911
  3. Wikisource Recensement 1681 Census selon Benjamin Sulte
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1997 - Drouin IGD
  5. MArriage IGD
  6. 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4 6.5 6.6 6.7 6.8 6.9 BanQ Notarial acts index
  7. Funeral IGD


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I am happy to report that PRDH now accepts the revised parentage as well-for those with a subscription, the link is https://www.prdh-igd.com/Membership/fr/PRDH/individu/70954/
posted by Greg Lavoie
Just received an answer from Denis Beauregard, who has the Francogene web site. He confirms my assertion that this man's parents are in fact Pierre Terrien and Gabrielle Lumineau/Mineau, with the added datum which I had not found that Jean Baptiste transferred land to his brother Ignace in 1709, thus confirming the relationship.
posted by Danielle Liard
leaving him to your care Chris, not related and I have too many profiles to tend as is.  :D
posted by Danielle Liard
Danielle-thanks for sorting out Jean-Baptiste's parents. Agreed about the age at death-I usually only list it when the baptism isn't available, and in that case I'll say something like, "He was said to be 86 years old at the time of death." The match wouldn't have been that much better with the other Jean Terrien, who would have been 90 years old instead.
posted by Greg Lavoie
indeed, they say 86, but he would have been 79 in fact. Lots of age at death are estimates by the priest.
posted by Danielle Liard
The early church records for Nicolet over at FamilySearch seem to have both transcriptions and originals. It looks like this is the original, and it says Jean Baptiste Terrien was 86 at time of death:

"Québec, registres paroissiaux catholiques, 1621-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9MB-LX39?cc=1321742&wc=9RLQ-W36%3A16769901%2C16769902%2C16970301 : 16 July 2014), Nicolet > Saint-Jean-Baptiste > Baptêmes, mariages, sépultures 1718-1779 > image 211 of 847; Archives Nationales du Quebec (National Archives of Quebec), Montreal.

posted by Greg Lavoie
merge into Terrien-8 as that is correct LNAB
posted by Danielle Liard
Therrien-165 and Terrien-8 appear to represent the same person because: same man, was wrongly tied to other parents before.
posted by Danielle Liard

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