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Suzanna (Thorne) Dudley (bef. 1560 - aft. 1588)

Suzanna (Susan) Dudley formerly Thorne
Born before in Yardley Hastings, Northamptonshire, Englandmap
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Wife of — married 8 Jun 1575 in Lidlington, Bedfordshire, Englandmap
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Died after after age 28 in Englandmap
Profile last modified | Created 21 Feb 2011
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Biography

Susan Thorne was the daughter of Thomas Thorne (or Dorne), Gent., of Yardley, Northamptonshire and Mary Purefoy, daughter of Edward Purefoy of Shalstone, Buckinghamshire.[1][2]

She was baptised at Yardley Hastings, Northamptonshire on 5 March 1559/60.[3][4][5] The parish register names her Suzanna, but her father's will[6] and her marriage record[7] suggest she was known as Susan.

Susan married Roger Dudley on 8 June 1575 in Lidlington, Bedfordshire when she was about 15 years old.[3][4][7]

Susan and Roger had at least two children:[6]

It is possible they also had a younger son, Francis, baptised on 10 Jun 1583, see Research Notes below.

In 1585 Queen Elizabeth I signed the Treaty of Nonesuch with the Dutch rebels fighting against Spain. Elizabeth agreed to support the rebels with a force of 6400 soldiers and 1000 cavalry to be led by Sir Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester. It is likely that Roger joined this force as a captain because he was subsequently killed in Europe,[6] possibly at the Siege of Zutphen in 1586.[3][4] We know he died before October 1588 because his wife, Susan was a legatee in her father's will dated 29 October 1588 and he referred to her as a widow.[1]

Susan's date of death is unknown, but according to Mather her children were still young when she died and he mentions their maternal great aunt, Anne Purefoy, being involved with their care.[6]

Research Notes

Possible Son, Francis

It is possible that Susan and Roger Dudley had another son called Francis. A Francis Dudley was baptised on 10 Jun 1583 in Hardwick, Northamptonshire, approximately ten miles from Yardley Hastings. Although no parents were mentioned, the child's sponsors, Francis Nicolls, his wife, Anne Nicolls and mother-in-law Mary Seymer, were closely related to Anne Purefoy who was involved in the care of Susan's other children, plus the dates and circumstances fit with him being a child of Susan and Roger.[10] Connections in the Nicolls, Purefoy and Dudley families were researched by John G Nicolls[11] however, at this stage further corroborating evidence confirming Francis as a son of Susan and Roger, such as a mention in the will of a family member, has not been found.

Previously-Shown Daughter Mary Dudley-497

The profile Mary Dudley currently (19 January 2024) conflates three different Marys:

  • a Mary (Dudley) Sutton, Countess of Home (1586-1644):
    • Mary (Dudley) Sutton, born 2 October 1586, was the eldest daughter of Edward Sutton, 5th Baron Dudley (d. 1643) and his wife Theodosia Harington (d. 1649), youngest daughter of Sir James Harington. The title "Dudley" and surname "Sutton" were interchangeable[12]
  • a Mary (Dudley) Penn married to Francis Penn.
  • a Mary Dudley, child of Roger Dudley and Susan Thorne and baptised at Yardley Hastings, Northamptonshire on 16 October 1580.[9]

Roger and Susan have previously been shown on WikiTree as the parents for this profile: they should not be reattached unless this profile is revised so that it refers only to the Mary who was their daughter.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 Mary Kingsbury Talcott, The Maternal Ancestry of Governor Thomas Dudley in 'The New England Historical and Genealogical Register', Vol. 66 (October 1912) pages 340 - 341, NEHGR98 American Ancestors website subscription required.
  2. Camden, Williams. The Visitation of the County of Leicester in the year 1619 London 1817 page 33
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. (Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2011), vol. II, page 97, DUDLEY 17, Susan Thorne.
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), Vol. V, p. 476, DUDLEY 20, Susan Thorne (Not available on line)
  5. Northamptonshire : Yardley Hastings : St Andrew : Register of unspecified type : "Parish Register" database, FreeREG: (viewed 31 Jan 2024) baptism Suzanna Dorne 05 Mar 1559/60
  6. 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 Mather, Cotton. The Life of Mr. Thomas Dudley, several times governor of the colony of Massachusetts, published by John Wilson and Son, Cambridge, 1870), Page 5
  7. 7.0 7.1 England Marriages, 1538–1973, database, FamilySearch : 13 March 2020, Susan Thorne in entry for Roger Dudley, 1575.
  8. Northamptonshire : Yardley Hastings : St Andrew : : "Parish Register" database, FreeREG: (viewed 19 Jan 2024) baptism Thomas Dudley 12 Oct 1576
  9. 9.0 9.1 Northamptonshire : Yardley Hastings : St Andrew : : "Parish Register" database, FreeREG: (viewed 19 Jan 2024) baptism Mary Dudley 16 Oct 1580
  10. Hinman, Barry E., Francis Dudley, an Unknown Brother of Gov. Thomas Dudley, in 'New England Historical and Genealogical Register', Vol. 174, 2020, p. Page 301-2, NEHGR98 American Ancestors website subscription required.
  11. Nicols, John Gough The Families of Nicolls, Purefey, and Dudley in 'The Herald and Genealogist, Vol 3' Pages 308 - 315 Internet Archive
  12. Staffordshire Record Society Collections for a history of Staffordshire Vol 9 published Houghton and Hammond, Birmingham, England,1888 page 112

Acknowledgements

Magna Carta Project

This profile was developed for the Magna Carta Project by Alan Davis in January 2024 and reviewed for the Project by Michael Cayley on 24 January 2024.
Susan (Thorne) Dudley appears in Magna Carta Ancestry in a Richardson-documented trail from Gateway Ancestor Thomas Dudley to Magna Carta Surety Baron Richard de Clare (vol. II, pages 95-98 DUDLEY). The Magna Carta Project identified this profile in trails to surety barons William d'Aubigny and Robert de Ros. These trails, set out below, were badged by the Project 10 March 2024.
See Base Camp for more information about Magna Carta trails. See the project's glossary for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".

Magna Carta Trails

Badged (10 March 2024) Richardson-documented trail to Richard de Clare (MCA II:95-98 DUDLEY):
Gateway Ancestor Gov. Thomas Dudley (badged)
1. Thomas is the son of Susannah Thorne (badged)
2. Susannah is the daughter of Mary Purefoy (badged)
3. Mary is the daughter of Edward Purefoy (badged)
4. Edward is the son of Alice Denton (badged)
5. Alice is the daughter of Isabel Brome (badged 2020)
6. Isabel is the daughter of Beatrice Shirley (badged)
7. Beatrice is the daughter of Ralph Shirley (badged)
8. Ralph is the son of Hugh Shirley (badged)
9. Hugh is the son of Isabel de Meynell (badged)
10. Isabel is the daughter of Alice de Audley (badged)
11. Alice is the daughter of Joan Martin (badged)
12. Joan is the daughter of William Martin (badged)
13. William is the son of Maud de Brienne (badged)
14. Maud is the daughter of Eve de Tracy (badged)
15. Eve is the daughter of Maud de Brewes (badged)
16. Maud is the daughter of Maud de Clare (badged)
17. Maud is the daughter of Magna Carta Surety Richard de Clare
Badged (10 March 2024) trails to Albini and Ros:
8. Ralph Shirley is the son of Beatrice Braose (badged)
9. Beatrice is the daughter of Peter de Braose (badged)
10. Peter is the son of Peter de Braose (badged)
11. Peter is the son of Mary de Ros (badged)
12. Mary is the daughter of Isabel Albini (badged)
13. Isabel is the daughter of William d'Aubigny (badged)
14. William is the son of Magna Carta Surety William d'Aubigny
12. Mary de Ros is the daughter of Robert de Roos (badged)
13. Robert is the son of William de Roos (badged)
14. William is the son of Magna Carta Surety Robert de Ros




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I have now completed the work on this profile. If anyone spots any errors please either correct them or message me. Cheers, Alan.
posted by Alan Davis
Thank you, Alan. I have now reviewed the profile for the Magna Carta Project.
posted by Michael Cayley
I will be reviewing and editing this Profile under the Magna Carta Project. If anyone knows of additional information which should be included, please message me. Cheers, Alan
posted by Alan Davis
Please detach both Richards and Dorothy from Susannah. Several sources state that they only had 2 children. Thank you.
posted by Alan Pendleton
Done. Left links to children in research notes and added research notes to childrens profiles in case a source is added to connect them to Susanna.
posted by Traci Thiessen
Thorne-1134 and Thorne-41 appear to represent the same person because: same/similar dates, family
posted by Robin Lee
Thorne-1134 and Thorne-1830 are not ready to be merged because: not the lowest ID
posted by Robin Lee
Thorne-1830 and Thorne-41 appear to represent the same person because: same/similar dates and same husband
posted by Robin Lee
Thorne-1830 and Thorne-1134 appear to represent the same person because: same/similar birth and death, all dates are estimates
posted by Robin Lee

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