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Lucy (Thwenge) Thweng (1279 - 1347)

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Lucy Thweng formerly Thwenge aka Latimer, Fancourt, Everingham
Born in Kilton Castle, Cleveland, Yorkshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married before 20 Apr 1295 (to before Jul 1312) [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died in Guisborough, Yorkshire, Englandmap
Profile last modified 21 Oct 2018 | Created 10 Apr 2012
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Lucy de Thweng (24 Mar 1279 Kilton Castle - 08 Jan 1346)[1]

bur. Guisborough[2]

Contents

Parents

Robert de Thweng, Lord of Kilton and _____[3]

Marriage

m.1 ante 1295 William Latimer the Younger, 1st Baron Latimer of Corby.[1] Divorced ante 22 Jul 1312.[2] Issue:

  • Thomas le Latimer
  • William le Latimer, 2nd/3rd Lord Latimer of Corby (c.1301 - 02 Nov 1335)

boyfriend 1304 - 1310[1] Nicholas de Menyll (d.1322). Issue:[4][2]

  • (illegtimate son) Nicholas de Meinell, Lord of Whorlton (d.1342)[4][1]


m.2 abt.1312 Sir Robert de Everingham (d.1316)[5] No issue.[2]


m.3 by 1318[2] or after 1319 Bartholomew de Fancourt (d.1352)[1][6]

Divorce Timeline

1303: Lucy is allegedly 'abducted.'[2]
Apr 1305: Latimer gets letters patent to arrest and retrieve Lucy. Doesn't happen.[2]
c.1306: Lucy starts filing for divorce from Latimer. Claims consanguinity. Latimer was violent, so she couldn't go back and live with him.[2]
Apr 1307: summoned to answer to charges of adultery with Meynell. Found guilty.[2]
1309: Sentenced to penance at Watton Priory, but disappears.[2]
Jan 1310: Separates from Meynell.[2]
shortly before Jul 1312: Divorce from Latimer finalized. Lucy is now 34.[2]


Will

  • Dated: early 1346[1]
  • Executor: Bartholomew de Fancourt[1]

Sources

Burke, B. (1866). A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire, (pp.532). Harrison. Google Books.


Cokayne, G.E. (1893). Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct, Or Dormant, (Vol. 5). G. Bell & sons. Google Books.


genforum.genealogy.com


Ord, J.W. (1846). The History and Antiquities of Cleveland: Comprising the Wapentake of East and West Langbargh, North Riding, County York, (pp.269). Google eBook.


Prestwich, M., Britnell, R.H. & Frame, R. (2003). Thirteenth Century England IX: Proceedings of the Durham Conference, 2001, (pp.153-). Boydell Press. Google Books.


Surtees Society, (1889). Publications of the Surtees Society, (Vol. 86, pp. 123 - 126). Google Books.


Weis, F.L., Sheppard, W.L. & Beall, K.E. (2004). Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who Came to America Before 1700: Lineages from Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong, and Other Historical Individuals. William Ryland Beall, Ed. Genealogical Publishing Co. Google Books.



  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 Surtees Society, 1889
  2. 2.00 2.01 2.02 2.03 2.04 2.05 2.06 2.07 2.08 2.09 2.10 2.11 Prestwich, Britnell & Frame, 2003, p.155
  3. Robert is known to have married, before December 1265, Alice de Merlay, aged 8 years, of Morpeth, but as she died shortly before 7 February 1267/68, it is believed that she was likely not the mother of his daughter Lucy. One source states that Robert had a mistress, namely Matilda Hansard, by whom two sons were born, while another source states that Matilda was Robert's second wife and the mother of Lucy. (Complete Peerage: Vol XII/1[735-739]; AR: Line 88[29-31]; Orde, 1846).
  4. 4.0 4.1 Nicholas de Menyll (d. 15 Edward II). see "Parish of Whorlton." pedigree (Ord, 1846)
  5. younger brother of Adam Everingham. d. fighting Scots (Prestwich, Britnell & Frame, 2003, p.155); or younger bros. of Robert FitzEveringham / Everingham (Surtees Society, 1889; Prestwich, Britnell & Frame, 2003, p.155)
  6. Fancourt was from France (Surtees Society, 1889; Prestwich, Britnell & Frame, 2003)


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Project members working on the profile for Ralph Basset have concluded that Joan (currently Latimer-566) is not a daughter of William & Lucy (Thweng) Latimer, and that she should be disconnected from these profiles & her LNAB changed to Unknown.

It appears that Richardson does call her a "daughter"... "He [Ralph Basset] married Joan ____, daughter or kinswoman of William le Latimer, Knt., 3rd Lord Latimer, of Corby, Northamptonshire."[1] So while Richardson does include "daughter" in the sentence, he does not give her a last name & the William he means is the one who married Elizabeth Botetourt.[2]

Joan is not in the text for either this profile or William.

If no objection, I'll detach her.

[1] RA, Vol I, p 263 BASSET #11

[2] RA, Vol IV, p 159 THWENG #9, #10

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett

Lucy is 23 degrees from Peter Roberts, 19 degrees from Emma Smith and 9 degrees from Henry VIII of England on our single family tree. Login to find your connection.

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