Question: What is the relationship of these two Tilley families:
Robert Tilley, father of Edmund. Born 1540, Henlow, Bedfordshire.
John Tilley, father of Rose, John, Robert and Elizabeth. Born 1571, Henlow, Bedfordshire.
Answer: Robert is the father of both Edmund and John, who are siblings. Edmund (baptized Edward) died at Plymouth, Massachusetts in 1620, as did his brother John Tilley.Dellinger-332
Editing Note: No "primary source" documentation provided to show that the marriage of John Tilley and Elizabeth Comyings is the same John Tilley who was a Mayflower Passenger.
See * Source: Robert S. Wakefield, "Additions and Corrections to Torrey", The American Genealogist, Vol 67: Page 31. This source states that this John Tilley did not marry Elizabeth Comyings.
Source: Robert Leigh Ward, "English Ancestry of Seven Mayflower Passengers", The American Genealogist, Vol 52 Pages 198-205
Plymouth, Plymouth County, Massachusetts. The list of passengers on the Mayflower given by Governor William Bradford (2nd Governor of Massachusetts), in "Of Plimoth Plantation", page 449, includes the following:
'John Tilley and his wife, and Elizabeth their daughter.'
1621 Death and Burial
11 JAN 1621 Plymouth, Massachusetts #S41
Genealogical Dictionary under Tilley states:
John, Plymouth, perhaps brother of Edward, came with wife and one child Elizabeth in the Mayflower, 1620, and all (it was believed by Shurtleff in Geneal. Reg. I. 52) died next winter. But his daughter Elizabeth who married John Howland outlived all her fellow passengers. except three who were younger.
Buried 10 Apr 1621 Coles Hill, Plymouth, Plymouth, Mass
According to "Saints and Strangers", by George F. Willison, Reynal & Hitchcock, New York, 1945, pg.439, under "Saints" is a "silk worker, of London. On third discovery, probably on First and Second as well." He died shortly after arrival in America.
↑ Robert Leigh Ward, "English Ancestry of Seven Mayflower Passengers", The American Genealogist, Vol 52 Page203
↑ 2.02.12.2 The American Genealogist v. 52; #4; p. 198
↑History of Plymouth Plantation, by William Bradford, 2nd Governor of Massachusetts, database online at Google Books. (pub.1856). A Primary Source: records and diary kept by Gov Bradford in Plymouth; first hand account of their persecutions in England, fleeing to Holland in 1607/08, and leaving Holland for the New World in July 1620.
Caleb H Johnson, "Manorial Records - New Information," The Mayflower Quarterly, Vol 76, No. 2 (June 2010), 125-134.
James Savage, Genealogical Dictionary of the First Settlers of New England (Originally published Boston 1860-62, reprinted April 1873 and 1884. Reproduced by Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore 1981.)
Edward Norris Wentworth, Jr. The Genealogy of Edward Norris Wentworth Junior. Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA; Date: June 1928. Special Project Submitted in Courses in Community Life and Advance Biology at the University High School, University of Chicago