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Robert Titus (1600 - 1678)

Robert Titus
Born in St. Katherines, London, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Brother of [half], [half], [half], , [half], [half], [half] and [half]
Husband of — married 24 Jun 1624 in St. Marys, Watford, Hertfordshire, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died in Huntington, Suffolk Co., Long Island, New Yorkmap
Profile last modified | Created 1 Apr 2009
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The Puritan Great Migration.
Robert Titus migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1620-1640).
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Known Issues with Robert Titus Biography

It seems that much of the erroneous information for Robert Titus is based on one of the main verifiable documents for him. The ship manifest for the Hopewell that disembarked in April 1635 from London. I have seen numerous summaries and interpretations for the manifest but here is a link to what purports to be and appears to be a transcription of the original manifest - Hopewell Manifest. (Thanks to Laura Freeman and Olive Tree Genealogy).

For 3 April 1635 we see this information for Robert and his family:

Of St. Katherins
Robert Titus 35 Husbandman
Hanna Titus 21, uxor
Jo: Titus 8
Edmond Titus 5

This is all the information we have to work from for the manifest.

First issue, who was Robert's father? The supposition that Silas Titus, SR was Robert's father is largely based on Robert being from Hertfordshire. There is nothing in the information above to indicate he was. There were three St. Katherins (St. Catherine's) at the time near where the ship departed from including one near the tower of London, however I have found no reference to a St. Katherins (St. Catherine's) in Hertfordshire. I believe this potentially erroneous association with Hertfordshire stems from a previous entry in the manifest on this day. Two entries prior to Robert's is a group from Stanstead Abbey (not a real place, likely Stanstead Abbot) in Hertfordshire. It seems people through one means or another have associated all the people who boarded on April the 3rd with Hertfordshire as it is the first location that is noted on that day, even though there is a group from Essex listed between Robert's family and the Hertfordshire group. So unless someone can show evidence that Robert was from Hertfordshire I do not see how he can be associated with Silas Sr. It seems that Silas Sr had a son who went to America around the same time as Robert but several histories I have seen put a question mark next to Robert names as if they are not sure this is even the name of Silas' eldest son. (Honestly when I go back to the source documents for the family histories I find mention of Silas being the father to Silas Jr but no mention of Robert at all.) To claim they are family is based only on conjecture as there is not enough - that has been presented - available information to support it. It may be true but it is much more likely it is not the case.

Second issue, who was Robert's mother? See discussion for first issue.

Third issue, what was Robert's wife's maiden name? Again one of the errors with her last name clearly comes from the manifest as you find her last name listed as Uxor or Uxar. Uxor means wife in Latin, and that is what the manifest above is indicating is the relationship between Robert and Hannah - not her maiden name. I also see Carter listed as a maiden name. The potential for this to be true is based on whether Robert was from Hertfordshire, which brings us back to argument in the first issue. It is possible Carter is Hannah's last name but personally I do not think the evidence so far available supports making that claim as there is nothing tying Robert to Hertfordshire.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

  • Conflicting information from merge:
    • Father Silas Titus (Titus-197) Silas Titus (Titus-11) merge pending.
  • Mother Constance Colly (Colly-10) Jane Titus (Newdyke-1) RESEARCH NEEDED TO VERIFY CORRECT MOTHER.
    • Mother Jane (Johane) Newdyke (Newdyke-3) Jane Titus (Newdyke-1) Merge pending for these two.


Biography

Robert, his wife Hannah, and their two sons John and Edmond departed London, England on April 3, 1635 on the Hopewell for Boston, Massachusetts. The arrived few weeks later and were granted land in Brookline, Massachusetts.

After two or three years they moved to Weymouth, Massachusetts. In September 1622 they moved with Rev. Samuel Newman to the town of Rehoboth, Rhode Island.

He had trouble with the authorities because he was wiling to harbor Quakers. He then moved around March 1654 to Long Island, New York. [1]

Birth

Date: 1600. He was 35 when he migrated in 1635
Place: Herefordshire, England
Place: St. Katherine's, London, Middlesex,, Eng
Place: Stansted Abbots, Hertfordshire, England[2]

Christening

FamilySearch.org provides a christening in Stanstead Abbey, Hertfordshire, England. Ancestral File Number: 46H7-VJ. (Note: This information is incorrect as there is no place called Stanstead Abbey in Hertfordshire. It is a mistake found in the attached Titus History and associated with the information provided with their trip on the Hopewell. Usually the Stanstead Abbey note is associated with St. Katherine's. St. Katherine's is most likely the one found in London near where the Hopewell departed.[3]

Immigration

London 3d April, 1635.[4]
" Theis underwritten names are to be transported to New England imbarqued in ye Hopewell, Mr. Wm. Bundick. the pties have brought certificate from the Minister & Justices of peace that they are no Subsedy men. they have taken the oath of alleg: & Supremacie." Among the thirty names are some from Essex, some from Derbyshire, Hertfordshire and Cambridge.

  • Husbandman Robert Titus of St. Katherin, 35
  • uxor Hanna Titus 31 [uxor means wife in Latin]
  • Jo: Titus 8
  • Edmond Titus 5
Note: Olive tree genealogy Ships lists has probably made a typo in their list making Hanna 21 instead of 31. If her age were 21, we would have to conclude she was a second wife since she would only have been 13 when Jo: was born.

Occupation

Was a soapmaker [5] Was a husbandman as recorded on ship's passenger list. [6]

Marriage Note

Note: From website: http://www.2fools.net/book-0001/0023-0002.html#CHILD2 - The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Vol. 132, 1978 states: "The marriage on 24 June 1624 of Robert Titus and Anne Carter, recorded in the parish register of Watford may refer to the Robert and Hannah Carter of 'St. Katherines' who immigrated in the Hopewell.... Carter was very common in the sixteenth and seventeenth century Watford district and were the English kin of President Carter." Robert, Hannah and their two children, John (age 8) and Edmond (age 5), sailed from London on April 3rd, 1635 on board the Hopewell. Settled at Brookline, MA, moved to Weymouth, MA, Rehoboth, MA, then to Huntington, Nassau Co., NY. (near Cold Spring Harbor), in 1654.

Children

JOHN TITUS, 1627 - 1689
EDMUND TITUS, 1630 – 1715
SAMUEL TITUS, 1635 – 1682
SUSANNA TITUS (10), 1638 – 1672
ABIEL TITUS (10), 1640 – 1736
CONTENT TITUS (10), 1643 – 1730

Notes

Note N26First Titus on America, Sailed on ship "Hopewell" with wife and two son s, John age 8 anf Edmond age 5.
Note: Moved to American in 1635
child 1: Robert TITUS (AFN: 46H7-VJ)
gender: male
birth: 1600 St. Katherine's, London, Middlesex, England
death: 24 November 1678
Huntington, Long Island, , New York
christening: Stanstead Abbey, Hertfordshire, England
burial: Huntington, Long Island, New York
birth: 1600 Of St. Katherine's, London, Middlesex, England;of St. Katherine,London,Middlesex,England
christening: Stanstead Abbey, Hertfordshire, England
death: 24 November 1678 / 1679 Huntington, Long Island, , New York;Huntington,New York
burial: Huntington, Long Island, New York
marriage: 24 June 1624 St. Katherine, London, Middlesex, England
birth: 1600 England
death: 24 November 1679 Huntington, Suffolk, NY
marriage: 24 June 1624 Huntington, Suffolk, NY
birth: about 1600 ,England
death: about 1672 Long Island,N.Y.
marriage: ,England
spouse:Hannah
children:John Titus, Content Titus, Edmund Titus, Abiel Titus
birth: 1600 Of St. Katherine,London,Middlesex,England
death: 1672 HUNTINGTON,,NY
burial: HUNTINGTON,Long Island,New York
marriage: 1630 / 1635 HUNTINGTON,Long Island,NY
birth: 1600 Of St. Katherine's,London,Middlesex,England
christening: Stanstead Abbey,Hertfordshire,England
death: 24 November 1678 Huntington,Long Island,,New York
burial: Huntington,Long Island,New York
marriage: 24 June 1624 Huntington,Long Island,NY
father:Silas TITUS COLONEL
mother:Constance COLLY
spouse:Hannah UXAR
children:John TITUS JR., Robert TITUS, Edmond (Edward) TITUS, Samuel TITUS, Samuel TITUS Sgt., Abial TITUS, Edward TITUS, Susannah TITUS, Abiel TITUS, Content TITUS Captain

Death

Date: 1678
Place: Huntington, Suffok, Long Island, NY

Note

Note: From website: http://www.2fools.net/book-0001/0023-0002.html#CHILD2 - The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Vol. 132, 1978 states: "The marriage on 24 June 1624 of Robert Titus and Anne Carter, recorded in the parish register of Watford may refer to the Robert and Hannah Carter of 'St. Katherines' who immigrated in the Hopewell.... Carter was very common in the sixteenth and seventeenth century Watford district and were the English kin of President Carter." Robert, Hannah and their two children, John (age 8) and Edmond (age 5), sailed from London on April 3rd, 1635 on board the Hopewell. Settled at Brookline, MA, moved to Weymouth, MA, Rehoboth, MA, then to Huntington, Nassau Co., NY. (near Cold Spring Harbor), in 1654.


Sources

  1. From the Titus Family in America
  2. Titus, Anson. The Titus family in America : three generations. Also publ.The Record, NYG&B Society, VOL XII (Apr 1881); at Archive
  3. For more information on the Stanstead Abbey "myth" see: http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/data/answers/answers-2009/ans9-029-stanstede-abbey.htm)
  4. Hotten, John Camden (editor). The Original Lists of Persons of Quality: Emigrants, Religious Exiles, Political Rebels, Serving Men Sold for a Term of Years, Apprentices, Children Stolen, Maidens Pressed, and Others, who Went from Great Britain to the American Plantations, 1600-1700. (London: John Camden Hotten, 1874.) p. 46
  5. https://www.geni.com/people/Robert-Titus/6000000000426688430
  6. https://ia800301.us.archive.org/19/items/originallistsofp00hottuoft/originallistsofp00hottuoft.pdf
  • Cutter, William Richard. New England Families, Genealogical and Memorial: A Record of the Achievements of Her People in the Making of Commonwealths and the Founding of a Nation, Volume 2 (Lewis historical publishing Company, 1914) p. 851
  • English Origins of New England Families, Vol III by Gary Boyd Roberts Genealogical Publishing Company, 1984
  • Family Data Collection - Births Author: Edmund West, comp. Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2001.
  • Great Migration 1634-1635, T-Y. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2012.) Originally published as: The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume VII, T-Y, pp 63 - 67; by Robert Charles Anderson. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2011. Featured Sketch: Robert Titus.subscribers$
  • Leo Joseph Titus Jr. (2004). Titus—A North American Family History. Baltimore, Maryland: Gateway Press. pp. 5–6
  • "Rev. John Moore of Newtown, Long Island, and some of his descendants" https://archive.org/stream/revjohnmooreofne00moor/revjohnmooreofne00moor_djvu.txt
  • Sons of the American Revolution Membership Application Source Citation: SAR Membership Number 85769. Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
  • Titus, Anson. The Titus family in America : three generations. Also publ.The Record, NYG&B Society, VOL XII (Apr 1881); at Archive
  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Titus


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Thank you so much to all of you hard-working WikiTree genealogists! You do such a service for future generations in documenting the issues relating to sources old and new.
posted by Jean (Reiners) Johnson
Thank you so much to all of you hard-working WikiTree genealogists! You do such a service for future generations in documenting the issues relating to sources old and new.
posted by Jean (Reiners) Johnson
I added source: Great Migration

https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/great-migration-immigrants-to-new-england-1634-1635-volume-vii-t-y/image?pageName=63

Since this is a project protected profile in the Puritan Great Migration project, the above link to Great Migration needs to be followed to obtain possible answers regarding the "Known Issues."

Bio notes Page 375

London 3d April, 1635. The passenger list, preserved in the public record office, London, contains the following entry': " Theis underwritten names are to be transported to New England imbarqued in ye Hopewell, Mr. Wm. Bundle. The parties have brought certificate from the Minister and Justices of the Peace that they are no Subsidy men, they have taken the oath Alleg. and Supremacie." Here follow between twenty and thirty names, some from Essex, some from Derbyshire, Herts and Cambridge. Among them are these names: Robert Titus, Husbandman of St. Katherines, aged 35 ; Hannah Titus, Uxor, age 31; Jo Titus, age 8; Edmond Titus, age 5. http://williamgreenhouse.org/documents/books/revjohnmooreofnewton.pdf

posted by Beryl Meehan
Thanks Brian for your insight diligence and resolve in working towards the accuracy of this profile. Robert is multiple generations removed from where I am actively researching and I can't defend the accuracy of the Titus profiles I worked on this far back. I welcome the insight of the contributors working on these profiles. In hindsight the merge probably should have been set as an unmerged match. Wikitree does not let you put multiple mothers/fathers. I was looking into this sometime back as a way of handling adoptions. The unmerged match appears to be the best way of handling this without those features available. Ideas?
posted by S Fagley
Tried to fix this but just seemed to make it worse. So here is the information that was lost: The following two women may or may not be the mother of Robert Titus. Without evidence one of them was removed from the profile. Here are the two profiles in question. Jane Newdyke (Newdyke-1) and Constance Colly (Colly-10). If someone knows how to restore both of them to being "mother" until it is determined which one - if either of them - is Robert's mother that would be good for the retention of the information.
posted by [Living Chelton]
Brian - thanks for your diligence and contributions. I've not had time to review them in detail as they are not linked directly to my tree. My view is that any additions, with appropriate references or reservations noted, should be welcomed. As for deletions, neither of these profiles come from my research - you might want to (if you haven't already) reach out to those article owners on their pages directly (Fred Goodell and Sara Feder)to let them know of the proposed change.
posted by Jay Byrne Jr.
It has been three weeks since my previous comments. Does anyone have any feedback or more importantly any information to support Silas as being Robert's father? I will give it a little more time but since there seems to be no objections or defense of the current profile, when I get a chance I will disconnect Silas and Jane from this profile and note why they were "removed" as parents. Please let me know if you have any information so we can move forward with this profile.
posted by [Living Chelton]
summarized everything I know/could find under the "Known Issues" section. Please provide feedback, sources, suggestions on how to proceed, etc.
posted by [Living Chelton]
represent sourcable information, but at the very least it needs to called out clearly what assumptions or questions there are for the data presented so these errors do not continue to be propagated. I stopped working on this line a while ago because I could not reconcile the information moving backwards from Robert and did not want to initiate any more "bad" merges than had already happened.
posted by [Living Chelton]