Gutina Unknown
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Gutina Unknown (abt. 854 - aft. 885)

Gutina "Godina, Gotinha" [family name unknown]
Born about in Condado de Castilla, Reino de Asturiasmap [uncertain]
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died after after about age 31 in Condado de Castilla, Reino de Asturiasmap [uncertain]
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Biography

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Gutina Unknown was formerly cited in WT with a birth date of 0854 in Burgos and a death date of after 0885 (place unknown). The dates have been maintained but the original birth place, Burgos, has not been used, because it was not founded until 0884. The County of Castile, Kingdom of Asturias (Condado de Castilla, Reino de Asturias) has been used in WikiTree for her birth and death place to at least place her in Spain in the time period she lived in.

It has been speculated that Gutina was the daughter of Diego Rodríguez, Count of Castile, but documents do not support this. She is said to have been the wife of Fernando Muñoz (abt 0825-abt 0890). Fernando had at least two, perhaps three, sons, ostensibly with Gutina: [1]

  1. Nuño Fernández (0879-0928, acc WT). He was Count of Burgos, 0922, Count of Castile, 0926, father of Gutier Núñez (Count of Burgos, 0931).
  2. Gonzalo Fernández "Conde de Burgos y Castilla" de Burgos (0885-0915, acc WT), father of the renown Fernán González "Conde de Castilla y de Álava" de Castilla. Note that one source suggests Gonzalo's dates are abt 0855-aft 01 May 0915. [1] He was Count of Burgos, 0899 and 0915, Count of Castile, 0912 and 0915.
  3. Rodrigo Fernández

Research Notes

Duplicated Profiles in WikiTree

Gutina was duplicated under Diaz_de Castilla-1, Gutina Diaz de Castilla, Castile-130, which was changed (LNAB) to Gutina Unknown, and Unknown-167522, Gutina Unknown. The first two profiles are being merged into the third.

Fernando and Gutina Castroserio

The following information, prevalent on the internet, is an example of incorrect data that has spread from one site to another and which may account for confusion regarding Fernando Muñoz and Gutina. In this instance, The Foundation for Medieval Genealogy cites six children for Diego Rodríguez, among whom is Gutina: [2]

[GUTINA Díaz. Pérez de Urbel emphasises that there is no proof of the parentage of Gutina Díaz, wife of Fernando Muñoz. However, her grandson, conde Fernando González, confirming donations to San Félix made by conde Diego Rodríguez de Castilla, suggests a close family connection. m. FERNANDO Muñoz "Niger/él de Castroserio [sic]", son of MUNIO Núñez "Rasura/él de Branosera" & his wife Argilo ---.]

Note that the above is erroneous despite its prevalence on the web. Gutina or Godina or Gotinha de Castrosiero is an 8th century figure, possibly the wife of Fernando de Castrosiero, who lived in the area of Castile. According to an inscription outside the apse of the chapel of Saints Centola and Elena in Siero, Burgos (currently an abandoned area in Valdelateja, Burgos), Fernando and Gutina were the sponsors of its construction or reconstruction in 0782 or 0792. Some historians erroneously have considered Fernando and Gutina as relatives of Count Fernán González, even Fray Justo Pérez de Úrbel, who, based on a document that he dated in the year 0860, and disregarding the aforementioned epigraphy, took them to be the alleged parents of Count Gonzalo Fernández and, therefore, grandparents of Fernán González. [3] [4]


Regarding the entries for the Rodríguez-Fernández family

The Rodríguez-Fernández family members who were linked originally in WT are from different time periods and there is no evidence they were directly related, i.e., they have been unlinked from one another in WikiTree:

Background

The ancestors of Fernán González are germane to this profile discussion. The family tree for Munio Núñez and Argilo, his great-grandparents, taken from the work of the historian Gonzalo Martínez Díez, can be consulted in the digital publication, Historia del Condado de Castilla: "El Primer Fuero Castellano: Brañosera, 13 de Octubre 824". [1]

Research Notes

Duplicated Profiles in WikiTree

P E N D I N G




Instructions for Gutina Unknown & Gutina Diaz de Castilla

  • All family connections should be removed from Diaz_de Castilla-1, who will be merged into Castile-130.
  • Diaz_de_Castilla-1 should be merged into Castile-130, leaving Castile-130 after the merge.
  • Castile-130 has already been removed from her husband Castilla-70 (PPP), and sons, Burgos-11 (PPP) and Castile-148, and should be left this way for now.

Before the Merge

  • Profile: Diaz_de Castilla-1
  • Father:
  • Mother:
  • Siblings:
  • Spouse: Nunez_de_Castrojeriz-1 (Remove)
  • Children: Fernandez-73 (Remove)

After the Merge

  • Profile: Castile-130
  • Father:
  • Mother:
  • Siblings:
  • Spouse:
  • Children:

Background

The ancestors of Fernán González "Conde de Castilla y de Álava" de Castilla are germane to this profile discussion. The family tree for Munio Nuñez and Argilo, his great-grandparents, taken from the work of the historian Gonzalo Martínez Díez, can be consulted in the digital publication, Historia del Condado de Castilla: "El Primer Fuero Castellano: Brañosera, 13 de Octubre 824". [1]

Castile-130 vs Diaz_de_Castilla-1

The third and fourth profiles are duplicated as well and also need merging. The last file is not a duplicate of Ramírez-316 but both profiles need additional attention. Summarizing, Diaz_de_Castilla-1 should be merged into Castile-130, leaving Castile-130. Other related actions with family members are detailed in their specific entries.


Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 _ Website Historia del Condado de Castilla: Iglesia Aparicio, Javier, "El primer fuero castellano: Brañosera, 13 de octubre 824 por Gonzalo Martínez Diez", 13 Oct 2016 (https://www.condadodecastilla.es/), accessed 19 Apr 2019 (blss)
  2. _ FOUNDATION FOR MEDIEVAL GENEALOGY: Counts of Castile, Descendants of Count Rodrigo, accessed 19 Apr 2019 (blss)
  3. _ Website Historia del Condado de Castilla: Iglesia Aparicio, Javier, "Gutina de Castrosiero", Historia del Condado de Castilla, 26 Apr 2014 (https://www.condadodecastilla.es/), accessed 19 Apr 2019 (blss)
  4. Martínez Díez, Gonzalo, "El Condado de Castilla (711-1039), La Historia Frente a la Leyenda", Junta de Castilla y León, Segunda Edición, 2018 (Primera Edición 2005), pp. 299-300.


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Porcelos de Castilla-1 and Unknown-167522 appear to represent the same person because: intended to be the same person
posted by Robin Lee
Castilla-154 and Diaz de Castilla-1 are not ready to be merged because: Have proposed new merge of both of these profiles with Unknown-167522
posted on Diaz de Castilla-1 (merged) by John Atkinson
Castilla-154 and Unknown-167522 appear to represent the same person because: They are the same person - she was at one time theorised to be a daughter of a previous dynasty of Castile (Castilla) hence the name Castilla, but there is no confirmation of this in the records. The only fact that is known for sure is that she was the mother of Gonzalo Fernandez, later Conde de Castilla, and by implication that her husband's name was Fernando. Under these circumstances Unknown is the better option as LNAB
posted by John Atkinson
Diaz de Castilla-1 and Unknown-167522 appear to represent the same person because: They are the same person - she was at one time theorised to be a daughter of a previous dynasty of Castile (Castilla) hence the name Diaz de Castilla, but there is no confirmation of this in the records. The only fact that is known for sure is that she was the mother of Gonzalo Fernandez, later Conde de Castilla, and by implication that her husband's name was Fernando. Under these circumstances Unknown is the better option as LNAB
posted by John Atkinson
Diaz de Castilla-1 and Castile-130 appear to represent the same person because: clear duplicates; see notes in bio re: merge.
posted on Castile-130 (merged) by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
Castile-130 and Diaz de Castilla-1 are not ready to be merged because: Neither of these Last Names at Birth (LNAB) are correct - Castile is the English version of Castilla and shouldn't be used, and she is not the daughter of Diego Rodriguez, which makes Diaz also incorrect. She is the mother of Gonzalo Fernandez who was conde de Castilla, but there is no evidence she herself was from Castilla. Unknown maybe the best option for her LNAB but that needs to be decided before the merge takes place.
posted on Diaz de Castilla-1 (merged) by John Atkinson
Hi Bonnie, thanks for working on these early Spanish profiles, they do need a lot or work and most of them have at lease 1 if not many more duplicates.

However I wonder if you ever check the soc.genealogy.medieval via Google Groups (and sometimes available via rootsweb). There is often discussion of these people, including Gutina, and there is a comment that "there is no evidence whatsoever allowing Gutina to be placed as daughter of Diego Rodriquez." See here https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/gen-medieval.rootsweb.com/thread/11118819/

posted on Castile-130 (merged) by John Atkinson
Diaz de Castilla-1 and Castile-130 appear to represent the same person because: Please see the Research Notes in Castile-130 & Diaz_de_Castilla-1. Diaz_de_Castilla-1 should be merged into Castile-130, leaving Castile-130.
posted on Castile-130 (merged) by Bonnie Saunders

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