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Helena Katharina (Unknown) Kober (abt. 1829)

Helena Katharina Kober formerly [surname unknown]
Born about in Grimm, Saratov, Russiamap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Died [date unknown] [location unknown]
Profile last modified | Created 22 May 2016
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Volga German
Helena (Unknown) Kober is a Volga German.
Helena (Unknown) Kober has German Roots.

Family #280 in the 1857 Grimm census.

1857 Grimm Census [1]

Family # 280
Head of the Household Philipp Kober, age 49 in 1850, deceased 1851
Child #1 Konrad Schneider, age 39, step-son
Wife Child #1 Katharina Elisabeth Schneider, age 37
Grandchild #1 Christina Margaretha Schneider, age 19
Grandchild #2 Philipp Michael Schneider, age 16
Grandchild #3 Philipp Jakob Schneider, age 13
Grandchild #4 Johann Heinrich Schneider, age 10
Grandchild #5 Anna Margaretha Schneider, age 8
Grandchild #6 Katharina Elisabeth Schneider age 6
Grandchild #7 Georg Karl Schneider, age 2 years 6 months
Brother #1 Tobias Kober, age 46 in 1850, deceased 1857
Child #2 Philipp Jakob Kober, age 28
Wife of Child #2 Helena Katharina Kober, age 28
Grandchild #1 Louisa Kober, age 5
Grandchild #2 Christina Kober, age 3
Child #3 Johann Konrad Kober, age 25

Research Notes

Helena Katharina is listed in the 1857 census as the 28-year-old wife of Philipp Jakob Kober. If she was 28 years old then, she would have been born around 1829 and appear as a 5 year old in the 1834 census. After reviewing the 1834 census, there were only two possible matches for her. [2]

  • Family #33 Helena Hepp 1828
  • Family #121 Helena Friesorger 1828

Neither of the women are identified as having a middle name, but that doesn't mean they aren't a match, just that their parents didn't report a middle name to the 1834 census taker.

In terms of proximity, neither woman lived particularly close to the Kober family in 1834. It may be that her family moved to another daughter colony, didn't not like it, and returned back to Grimm. That may be what her husband did, since he was allegedly not included on the 1850 census. It could be that the couple met in another village and moved back to Grimm to marry and raise their own children. Their oldest daughter was born in 1852. If they were in another colony in 1850, that gives them enough time to marry and return to Grimm -- or the reverse -- and have a child in 1852. Technically that child could have been born in either village. The only thing that appeared to matter, especially for women whose documentation was maintained far more haphazardly, was where they were at the time the census taker was writing down the family information. Two daughters, living in Grimm now, done. Perhaps they would have taken more care with the details if the children in question were male.

The only way to help narrow down some of her ancestry would be to study the maternal haplogroup of Helena Katharina's living female descendants, if they can be determined and are still living. Comparing them with the maternal haplotype of female descendants of the Hepp and Friesorger families might reveal a match.


  1. 1857 Census of Grimm in the District of Saratov, Russia, dated 5 November 1857; Translated by Brent Mai, Concordia University, Portland, Oregon; Published by Dynasty Publishing, Beaverton, OR, USA; Published 2005; pages 102-103, family #280, Philipp Kober family.
  2. 1834 Census of Grimm in the District of Saratov, Russia, dated 2 February 1835; Translated by Brent Mai, Concordia University, Portland, Oregon; Published by Dynasty Publishing, Beaverton, OR, USA; Published 2011; see the family numbers listed above.

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