Gabriel Marcelis was a merchant, Danish Commissary and resident of Hamburg. According to Ned Leeuw (1981) he was presumably of the southern Netherlands, a merchant in Rotterdam and later in Hamburg. He was married to Anna l'Hermite (Ermit d'Ermitage), from Antwerpen, (abt. 1577, d. Jan 1652 in Hamburg), daughter of Pieter l'Hermite () and Elisabeth Haunders. [1]
Leonard (b. 1611 in Hamburg, d. 5 Oct 1667 in Haarlem) [1]
Elisabeth, married in 1629 to Albert Baltzer Berns/Berg/Bern. [1]
Gabriël Marcelis Elewauts later Gabriël van Marcelis van Elswout, was commissaris en resident van de koning van Denemarken en overleed op 20 juli 1643 in de Duitse havenstad. Gabriël Marcelis voorzag de Deense koning Christiaan IV, schepen, manschappen en vooral krijgsbehoeften. IJzer en geschut waren afkomstig uit de mijnen en ijzergieterijen tussen Serpichow en Toela, niet ver van Moskou, waar een broer Pieter Marcelis (1602-1672) was gevestigd. Deze stond in hoog aanzien bij tsaar Alex Michaël Romanow. Tot welstand gekomen is Gabriël in 1654 eigenaar geworden van het landgoed Elswout in Overveen. Vanwege zijn bezittingen in Denemarken gaf Gabriel Marcelis zichzelf de titel Heer van Callenberg (Kallundborg) en op 7 september 1665 ontving hij van koning Frederik III voor zichzelf en zijn erfgenamen een adelsdiploma.[2] Translated: Gabriël Marcelis Elewauts was commissioner and resident of the King of Denmark and died on July 20 1643 in the German harbor city. Gabriel Marcelis provides the Danish King Christian IV, ships, troops and munitions in particular. Iron and artillery came from the mines and iron foundries between Serpichow and Tula, near Moscow, where his brother Pieter Marcelis (1602-1672) was established. He was highly regarded by Tsar Alex Michael Romanow. Because of all prosperity, in 1654 Gabriel became the owner of the Elswout estate in Overveen. Because of his possessions in Denmark Gabriel Marcelis gave himself the title heer van (Lord of) Callenberg (Kallundborg) and on September 7, 1665 he received from King Frederick III for himself and his heirs a nobility degree. [2][3]
Marriage Record
Marriage Gabriell Mercelis Elewauts and Tanneken Leremijt 10 January 1601 Rotterdam
Plaats Rotterdam Datum trouwen 10-01-1601 Datum ondertrouw 17-12-1600 Bruidegom Gabriell Mercelis Elewauts , jongeman Bruid Tanneken Heremijt wed. Francois van de Keere[4][5][6]
Denmark
Marselisborg was a farm, manor and barony in Aarhus, Denmark, the original farm was situated in the present day Marselisborg neighborhood south of the city centre. The manor was named after and by Gabriel Marselis who was the first private owner, he was given the manor and lands by King Frederik III as repayment for debts incurred by the Crown during the Second Northern War. Gabriel Marselis did not move to Denmark himself but his sons would later assume control of his estates there. In 1896 the city of Aarhus purchased the manor and in 1911 dissolved the estate, many landmarks in the area are in turn named for the manor such as Marselisborg Forests, Marselisborg Hospital and Marselisborg Palace.[7]
There is no evidence to support the notion that this man was the father of New Netherland immigrants Hendrick Marselis or Marselis Janse, nor is there evidence that the two immigrants were brothers.
See comment here regarding the source of this prevalent confusion.
↑ The first sentence complete reads: "Zijn vader Gabriël Marcelis (sr.) was commissaris en resident van de koning van Denemarken en overleed op 20 juli 1643 in de Duitse havenstad." Translated: "His father Gabriel Marcelis (Sr.) was commissioner and resident of the King of Denmark and died on July 20, 1643 in the German port city." The rest of the paragraph refers to Gabriel Jr. (1609-1673).
↑ "Netherlands, Zuid-Holland Province, Church Records, 1076-1916," images, FamilySearch (scan Marriage 10 January 1601 Rotterdam: Left page, first entry 28 January 2017), Nederlands Hervormde > Rotterdam > image 239 of 808; Rijksarchiefdienst Nederlands, Zuid-Holland (Netherlands National Archives, Zuid-Holland)
↑ Source: Handel tussen Rusland en de Nederlanden, 1560-1640: een netwerkanalyse van de Antwerpse en Amsterdamse kooplieden, handelend op Rusland by Eric H. Wijnroks
Uitgeverij Verloren, 2003 - 440 pagina'sMarcelis and L'Heremite pg 265
↑ The first sentence complete reads: "Zijn vader Gabriël Marcelis (sr.) was commissaris en resident van de koning van Denemarken en overleed op 20 juli 1643 in de Duitse havenstad." Translated: "His father Gabriel Marcelis (Sr.) was commissioner and resident of the King of Denmark and died on July 20, 1643 in the German port city." The rest of the paragraph refers to Gabriel Jr. (1609-1673).
WikiTree profile Van Marselis-3 created through the import of myfam.ged on Jun 26, 2011 by Robert Davis. See the Marselis-3 Changes page for the details of edits by Robert and others.
This person was created through the import of Reba Family Tree_2011-03-12.ged on 13 March 2011.
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Birth and death places are obviously incorrect. Can't be both Hamburg and Ebersberg, Bavaria. I believe it should be Hamburg, Imperial Free City, H.R.E.
I agree that it is very unlikely to be Ebersberg. However, I would like to know where the Ebersberg location came from (i.e., how it came to be associated with this person or this profile), so that we can more credibly explain why it is wrong.
A bit of Googling brings up a tangle of family trees all citing other trees, on Ancestry, GenealogieOnline, Geneanet, etc. The usual circular sourcing. I doubt if there is a good answer to where it started.
The history here shows that Ebersberg was added years ago and has been carefully maintained in this profile for several years, by the Leaders of the Dutch Roots project (note: I am not a Dutch Roots leader) among others. No need to keep it any more.
The comments created when we propose a merge only get posted on the destination profile.
It is a bit surprising that this pair of duplicates was not detected earlier. I am glad you found them -- thank you. There is wild variation in the estimated birth date. 1575 on that other profile, 1582 on this profile, and 1602 in the text of this profile. Is there a good basis for determining when he was born?
PS - Although I am a manager on this profile, I know very little about it. It seems (from the change history) that I adopted profile Van Marselis-2 (which was later merged into a profile that was later merged into this profile) as an orphan profile back in 2014.
Please see comments on the other profile. Manager there is uncertain that he can proceed with the merge. Thinks merge for the father needs to come first. True? If so then let's do it.
Yes, the duplicate fathers need to be merged before the duplicate sons. There is so little other information on the father profiles that one of them could end up as a disconnected and unidentifiable orphan if the sons get merged first.
I proposed the merge. What last name should be the LNAB for the father?
I believe you as manager of this profile have to approve before they can make the merge. Ellen Smith, a leader of the Dutch Project thanked me for the merge proposal, so they are agreed. I will query her on the other profile, maybe she can clarify the procedure.
I do not see a proposed match for the father. I don't think the sequence is a problem.
He indeed no where adds parents or mentiones they are brothers or related and yes they all probably were mixed up and this 'famous' and noble Marcelis /Marselis family of course would look like possible candidates /ancestors of all Marcelis, Marselis men and women, if you treat or think of the name as a last name only .
:-) Pearson's First Settlers of Albany has been a principal source for the profile of Hendrik Marselis. The Marselis Janse profile is the result of numerous merges, so it is larded up with citations to derivative Ancestry.com databases whose sources are often not disclosed, but they may ultimately derive from Pearson. Pearson treated Marselis/Marcelis as a surname for both men, but he didn't suggest they were brothers and he doesn't hint at the possibility of this man being their father.
I think that the genealogy for Hendrick in particular, but probably also Marcelis Janse, might be influenced by past researchers confusing Hendrick Marselis with Hendrick Van Bommel.
A note in Hendrik Marselis' profile Marselis-1 suggests to me that the 1883 book Genealogical Notes of New York and New England Families, by Sebastian V. Talcott, might be the original source of the idea that Marcelis Janse and Hendrik Marselis were brothers -- and, therefore, sons of somebody with a family surname of Marselis. Talcott is quoted in Marselis-1 as saying (in part) "Hendrick and Janse were probably brothers."
It looks like Americans who saw the unusual surnames Merselis, Marsalis, etc., assumed that this was a family name (not a patronymic), reasoned that Hendrick Marselis and Marselis Janse must be brothers, and found a nobleman named Marsalis (whose children presumably would have used the family name) to be their father.
Marselis Janse (my ancestor) is from Bommel in Gelderland and Hendrick is supposed to be from Beest in Gelderland. There may be no basis, other than a fertile imagination, for treating them as brothers. (But I've not researched Hendrick.)
That NL genealogieonline page cites an Ancestry.com family tree as its source. ;-)
I believe there are numerous online genealogies that connect this high-ranking German man with New Netherland families that assumed Marsalis as a family surname. They all copy from each other, without any critical evaluation. But some of the American pages misspell Hamburg as "Hamberg".
So no this Gabriel and his wife were not the parents and the Janse kid probably just a mix up or something, Janse is a patronymic, so not even a first name, people were named Jan, Jan(ne)s, Joannes, Johannes, but Janse ..never seen that version. it looks like he just had the name Marcellus or some version of it as his first name ?
There is definitely mass confusion about the order of Marselis Janse's name. He was from Bommel in Gelderland too, not sure about Hendrick yet. Hendrick arrived much earlier than Marselis. There is probably no connection between the two but that's not certain yet.
I don't see any sound basis for connecting this man to Marselis Janse-92 of New Netherland. An old merged-away profile for the son, Marselis-5, is the one that had these parents attached to it. That profile had the name "Janse Van Bommel Marselis", and Marselis was treated as a family name. However, it's clear from his will that the New Netherland settler had a patronymic name (Jansx or Janse). The Ancestry Family Tree that was cited as a source for Marselis-5 and other similar Ancestry Trees cite as their sources (1) other Ancestry Trees, (2) the OneWorld Tree, and (3) some index-only records from New Netherland that contain data for the immigration, marriage, and other events of Marselis Jans. No source for his alleged parents.
He did have a son named Jan I believe, and they all were traders, so perhaps and looking at the dates they were sons of sons of this Gabriel ? So this Gabriel perhaps was their grandfather ?
So Mercelis as it was written in the marriage record perhaps started as a normal patronymic, but because they became rich and Noble they adopted it as the familyname 'Van Marcelis' ? There are a whole lot of early Marcelis people in Rotterdam and Mercelis
It also says Descendants of Marcelis / Marcelis life in different places in our country. Furthermore, especially in Denmark and the United States.
edited by Philip van der Walt
edited by John Miller Jr.
It is a bit surprising that this pair of duplicates was not detected earlier. I am glad you found them -- thank you. There is wild variation in the estimated birth date. 1575 on that other profile, 1582 on this profile, and 1602 in the text of this profile. Is there a good basis for determining when he was born?
PS - Although I am a manager on this profile, I know very little about it. It seems (from the change history) that I adopted profile Van Marselis-2 (which was later merged into a profile that was later merged into this profile) as an orphan profile back in 2014.
edited by Ellen Smith
I proposed the merge. What last name should be the LNAB for the father?
The father should be merged before this merge can be handled, anyway.
edited by Roy Østensen
I do not see a proposed match for the father. I don't think the sequence is a problem.
I think that the genealogy for Hendrick in particular, but probably also Marcelis Janse, might be influenced by past researchers confusing Hendrick Marselis with Hendrick Van Bommel.
Contributions for the Genealogies of the First Settlers of the Ancient County of Albany, from 1630 to 1800 by Jonathan Pearson
Marselis Janse (my ancestor) is from Bommel in Gelderland and Hendrick is supposed to be from Beest in Gelderland. There may be no basis, other than a fertile imagination, for treating them as brothers. (But I've not researched Hendrick.)
I believe there are numerous online genealogies that connect this high-ranking German man with New Netherland families that assumed Marsalis as a family surname. They all copy from each other, without any critical evaluation. But some of the American pages misspell Hamburg as "Hamberg".
genealogie online Sanborn Arrington family tree think this is where it all was coming from, based on ?
see the sons
So no this Gabriel and his wife were not the parents and the Janse kid probably just a mix up or something, Janse is a patronymic, so not even a first name, people were named Jan, Jan(ne)s, Joannes, Johannes, but Janse ..never seen that version. it looks like he just had the name Marcellus or some version of it as his first name ?
I think the parents are a mistaken inference.
He did have a son named Jan I believe, and they all were traders, so perhaps and looking at the dates they were sons of sons of this Gabriel ? So this Gabriel perhaps was their grandfather ?
There was a Mercelis Cornelisz who died in 1597 in Rotterdam, I don't know but perhaps this was his father ?
So Mercelis as it was written in the marriage record perhaps started as a normal patronymic, but because they became rich and Noble they adopted it as the familyname 'Van Marcelis' ? There are a whole lot of early Marcelis people in Rotterdam and Mercelis
It also says Descendants of Marcelis / Marcelis life in different places in our country. Furthermore, especially in Denmark and the United States.