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Roger (Vaughan) Vaughan of Porthaml (abt. 1436 - bef. 1514)

Sir Roger Vaughan of Porthaml formerly Vaughan
Born about in Porthaml, Talgarth, Brecknockshire, , Walesmap
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Husband of — married 1469 [location unknown]
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Died before before about age 78 in Porthaml, Talgarth, Brecknockshire, , Walesmap
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Biography

Roger Vaughan of Porthaml was the son of Sir Roger of Tretower.[1][2]

"The Vaughan family of Porthaml was a cadet branch of the Vaughans of Tretower, Breconshire, themselves an offshoot of the line established at Bredwardine, Herefordshire, by the Sir Roger Vaughan who was killed at Agincourt."[3]
Himself Parents Grandparents
Sir Roger of Porthaml & Joan Whitney Sir Roger of Tretower & Denise f. Thomas ap Philip Vaughan Sir Roger of Bredwardine & Gwladus ferch Sir Dafydd Gam

Roger Vaughan was born in Porthaml Talgarth, Breconshire, Wales about 1436[4] to Sir Roger Vaughan (c1404-July 26, 1469) and his wife "Denise fil Thomas" ap Philip Vaughan.[5]

About 1469, he married Jane Whitney. She was the daughter of Sir Robert Whitney, Sheriff of Herefordshire and Constance Touchet,[5] daughter of Sir James Tuchet, Lord Audley.[2][1][6]

"13. Joan Whitney, daughter by her father's 1st marriage. She married Roger Vaughan, Knt., of Porthaml (in Talgarth), Breconshire, Wales, Steward and Receiver of the Lordship of Dinas, 1509, 2nd son of Roger Vaughan, Knt., of Tretower, Breconshire, by his 1st wife, Denise, daughter of Thomas ap Philip Vaughan of Tyle-Glas."[1]

Sir Roger and Joan had 8 children. He also had three illegitimate sons.[2][7] Children are listed below with information and in the order shown by Bartrum[8]

  • Elinor m (1) Tos. Gwyn ap Rhydderch, (2) Hywel ap Gwilym, (3) Wm Dometh[8]
  • Elsbeth m Tos. ap John Morgan[8]
  • unnamed daughter m Jenkin ap Tos.[8]
  • ~ Thomas Vaughan (II) of Trefeca (by a daughter of Tos. ap Robert of Maes-glas)[8]
  • ~ Roger Vaughan of Bronllys[8][9]
  • Margred m John Parker of St. Arvans[8]
  • Watkin Vaughan of Trephilip m Jane f. Ieuan[8]
  • John Vaughan[8]
  • Harry Vaughan of Bronllys m Jane f. Rhydderch[8]
  • ~ Robert Vaughan of Tregwnter[8][9]
  • Thomas Vaughan of Tregwnter m Elsbeth ap Harry[8]

Roger Vaughan died before September 25, 1514[2][1] at Porthaml, Talgarth, Breconshire, Wales.[10]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 Internet Archive - Plantagenet Ancestry : a Study in Colonial and Medieval Families by Richardson, Douglas, p. 266
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 Bartrum charts:
  3. The History of Parliament Online: Sir Roger Vaughan (1522-71)
  4. from Sir Roger Vaughan, "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed August 29, 2015)
  5. 5.0 5.1 Sir Roger Vaughan, "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed July 10, 2015), citing Richardson's Magna Carta Ancestry, Plantagenet Ancestry, and Royal Ancestry
  6. Lewis has marriage of Joan & Sir Roger as about 1469, which is probably a contract date. Whitney group has Joan as born "say 1462". Lewis shows Elizabeth (2nd-born per Drymbenog 2(C3) Bartrum) as b 1485, which works with 1462 birth. That just leaves the 1436 birth of Sir Roger of Porthaml given by Lewis in need of verification.
  7. #Lewis
  8. 8.00 8.01 8.02 8.03 8.04 8.05 8.06 8.07 8.08 8.09 8.10 8.11 Bartrum chart: Drymbenog 2(C3)
  9. 9.0 9.1 not a child of his wife, Joan
  10. #Lewis
  • The Bartrum Project, digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum (mirrored from the defunct Cadair site by Geni: Bartrum Genealogical Project - free login required to access the charts). See additional information about Cadair in G2G.
See also (sources listed prior to July 10, 2015):
  • The history of Merthyr Tydfil By Charles Wilkins (of Merthyr-Tydfil.)
  • LDS FHL AF# (familysearch.org)
  • AWTP: "The Ancestry of Overmire Tifft Richardson Bradford Reed" Larry Overmire larryover[at]worldnet.att.net

Acknowledgements

  • The WikiTree profile Vaughan-187 was created through the import of Newman Family Tree.ged on 12 March 2011. Source citation: S-269701049 (Ancestry Family Trees).
Click the Changes tab to see edits to this profile; from that list, click WikiTree IDs other than Vaughan-528 to see changes to those profiles prior to being merged. Thank you to everyone who contributed to this profile.






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Source: Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, in 5 vols. (Salt Lake City, Utah, 2013). See vol. I, page 355.

Joan Whitney, married Roger Vaughan. They had four sons, and four daughters. He also had three illegitimate sons.

Thank you!

Source: Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, in 5 vols. (Salt Lake City, Utah, 2013). See vol. 5, p. 149, THOMAS 16. Footnote.

"Thomas Morgan-854 of Machen, Esq., married Elizabeth, daughter to Roger Vaghan of trephillip, Porthamall and Talgaelth, Esq."

Thank you!

edited the profile based on wife (Joan Whitney) & proposed merge with the profile that had been attached as his father (Vaughan-187).
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Vaughan-528 and Vaughan-187 appear to represent the same person because: just finished research/editing for the profile of Vaughan-528 for Roger, husband of Joan Whitney. These profiles are for the same person. Please merge. Thanks!
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
update - text that referred to a son born to a different Roger Vaughan was moved to the profile page of the mistress who had the son: Ieuan-11

Also, text says Joan Trahaern had a son by him. Joan Trahaern was the mistress of Roger Trewtowr d 1471, who was the father of the Roger who married Joan Whitney. So... there's some messiness here to be sorted out.

(See Bartrum's page on the ancestry of the mistress of the dad - Batrum spells it Traehaearn, if I'm seeing that right: Cydrych 8)

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Data fields seem to support RJ's note that he needs to be merged with his dad:

Bartrum has Joan Whitney m Roger Vn of Portham - Drymbenog C3, and Roger Vaughan of Portham as son of Sir Roger of Tretwr, d 1471 C1 (who is son of Sir Roger who married daughter of Sir David Gam - see Drymbenog 2). There is some conflict among sources concerning the Whitneys (see Whitney Family Tree), but I think we're beginning to get the Vaughans straightened out.

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett

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