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Maud (Vaux) de Ros (abt. 1261 - aft. 1312)

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Maud de Ros formerly Vaux aka de Vaux
Born about in Vaux, Allier, Auvergne, Francemap
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Wife of — married before [location unknown]
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Died after in bur. Pentney Priory, Norfolk, Englandmap
Profile last modified | Created 7 Jul 2011 | Last significant change: 17 Apr 2019
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Biography

Maud, born about 1261 (age 26 in 1287), was the daughter of John de Vaux[1] by his second wife, Sibyl de Longchamps.[2]

Matilda de Vaux, daughter of John de Vaux married William de Ros before 1287. Maud de Vaux was younger daughter and coheiress, in 1287, of John de Vaux, son of Sir Oliver de Vaux and his wife Petronilla de Craon.[3]

Maud married William de Ros of Helmsley before 1287, and they had four sons (Sir William, Sir John, Thomas, and George) and three daughters (Agnes, Alice, and "possibly Margaret").[1]

She died before 1316, predeceasing her husband.[3] The body of Maud, wife of Sir William de Roos, 1st Lord Roos of Helmsley, was buried at Pentney Abbey, Norfolk, and her bowels ("viscera") in the chapel of St. Mary at Belvoir Priory, Leicestershire.[4]

Joan or Sibyl as Mother

Richardson's Royal Ancestry (Vol IV, p 491, ROOS #8) shows that John de Vaux and his wife Joan, sister of Sir Peter de Peleville, were Maud's parents. However, a 2017 post by Richardson to soc.gen.medieval[2] notes new evidence and provides a detailed and interesting discussion, with the bottom line:

"Inasmuch as Joan de Peleville, 1st wife of Sir John de Vaux, must have died sometime between 1250 and 1254, she obviously can not be Sir John's wife who was the mother of his two daughters, Pernel and Maud, both of whom were born after 1254. That leaves Sir John's surviving wife, Sibyl, as the candidate to be the mother of the Vaux girls."

Therefore, the profile of John's first wife, Joan (Pelevile) de Vaux, was replaced by the profile for his second wife, Sibyl (Longchamps) de Vaux, as Maud's mother.

The following discussion is from when Joan was attached as Maud's mother, but it is still relevant.

Cawley's Medieval Lands database shows only the two daughters as co-heiresses of John de Vaux, and their mother as Joan:

"MATILDA de Vaux, daughter of JOHN de Vaux & [his wife Joan ---] ... An undated manuscript names “Petronilla et Matilda” as the two daughters of John de Vaux..." ~ Maud de Vaux, William de Ros (MedLands), citing Dugdale Monasticon VI.1, Pentney Priory, Norfolk, III, p. 70.

A merged profile had the following information:[5]

John deVaux died in 1288, the 16th Year of the Reign of Edward I. 1288.
By his Wife Sybill, he left two Daughters, between whom his vast Pofief-
fions, amounting to no less than Forty-four Knights' Fees, were divided.
. . .
Maud, the second Daughter, became the Wife of William de Ros,
Ancestor to the present Duke of Rutland.

Joan was the widow of Roger de Gyney,[1] who was the son of Baldwin & Maud:

"Baldwin de Gisney was living in the 8th year of that King [King John]...; by Maud his wife, he was father of Roger de Gisneia, lord of this manor in the 18th of Henry III.... married Joan, daughter of - - - - - - - - - -, sister and coheir of Sir Peter de Pelevile, (who remarried Sir John de Vaux,) and by her had Sir William de Gyney, his son and heir, and Sir Roger, who married Margaret, daughter of William Peche, and in her right was lord of Brandeston..."[6]

Disputed Children

Additional children had been attached to this profile, but were detached due to insufficient evidence. Please let me know if you have evidence that William and Maud had daughters named Joan, Matilda, and Mary.
~ Liz Shifflett, 13 August 2015 (See her husband's profile for additional details.)

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), page 448
  2. 2.0 2.1 post by Douglas Richardson on 13 Feb. 2017 to soc.gen.medieval, " C.P. Addition: Maud de Vaux, wife of William de Roos, 1st Lord Roos of Helmsley, & her sister, Pernel de Vaux, wife of Sir WIlliam de Nerford" (accessed 21 Jan. 2019)
  3. 3.0 3.1 Cawley's Medieval Lands database, Maud de Vaux, citing Dugdale Monasticon VI.1, Pentney Priory, Norfolk, III, p. 70.
  4. Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, p 492
  5. source not noted, but not MedLands and not Richardson - possibly one of the other sources listed below
  6. British History, Heverland Manor
  • Rymer's Ftedera, vol. ii. p. 23 and 1087.
  • XI ibid. p. 74, 190, 199 and 288.
  • Dugdale's Baronage.
  • Sphere of Gentry, by Silvanus Morgan, p. 64.
  • Monasticon Anglicanum, vol. ii. p. 897.
  • ACCOUNT OF THE FAMILY OF VAUX, VANS, OR DE VALLIBUS. 1800
  • Maud de Vaux, "thepeerage" (website, compiled by Darryl Lundy, Ngaio, Wellington, New Zealand; accessed 9 April 2018)

Acknowledgements

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Collaboration

On 21 Jan 2019 at 03:36 GMT William Collins wrote:

See https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.medieval/4T6vVGTkj9E for a correction on Maud's Mother posted by Douglas Richardson. This eliminates Joan as Maud's mother, in favor of Sybil.

On 6 Oct 2015 at 12:49 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

note- I'd rejected the merge with Vaux-216 when the mother attached to that profile had been Sybil (now a second wife of John). Richardson shows that Maud de Vaux who married William de Roos was the "younger daughter and co-heiress of John de Vaux, of Frieston, Lincolnshire, and Walton, Norfolk, by Joan, widow of Roger de Gyney, of Pickworth, Rutland."

birth "about 1261" and marriage "before 1287" are also from Richardson (see link in source list Magna Carta Ancestry p 448)

On 5 Oct 2015 at 12:32 GMT Ted Williams wrote:

Vaux-216 and Vaux-95 appear to represent the same person because: look to be the sane person

On 5 Oct 2015 at 03:49 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

having Sibel attached as mother is causing confusion, since her mother is Joan. I'd like to detach it, if no objection.

Thanks, Liz

On 5 Oct 2015 at 03:48 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

On 5 Oct 2015 at 03:46 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Vaux-216 and Vaux-95 do not represent the same person because: Richardson has Maud who married de Roos as the daughter of John by his wife Jane. So a Maud, daughter of John and Sybil is somebody else - and not the wife of de Roos.

On 5 Oct 2015 at 03:41 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Please note that Richardson has mother as Joan (see text). Not sure where Sybil, er Sibel came from.

On 14 Aug 2015 at 05:44 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Vaux-95 and DeRos-16 appear to represent the same person because: Matilda DeRos-16 was attached as a daughter, but documentation for William & Maud having a daughter named Matilda is lacking, and the profile was lacking in information/clues to help figure out who she was meant to be. So... please merge her into Maud's profile (it could even be that's who she was meant to be in the first place!). Thanks!

On 9 Aug 2015 at 15:25 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Update: I'm setting an unmerged match, pending protection of Vaux-95 (requested Aug. 13)

Please see Ros-53, where I proposed that the profile for daughter Matilda be merged away into mother Matilda.

Thanks!

On 9 Aug 2015 at 06:37 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Hi! If you have a source for her parents/birth (other than Ancestry, which I can't access), could you add it? I'm working on Ros-53 for a Magna Carta trail & I can't find support for this daughter. Thanks!



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