Adelaide  (Vermandois) d'Anjou

Adelaide (Vermandois) d'Anjou (abt. 0934 - aft. 0984)

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Adelaide (Adele) "Aelis, Comtesse de Meaux" [uncertain] d'Anjou formerly Vermandois aka of Meaux, de Châlons
Born about in Monfort, Normandy, Francemap
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Wife of — married about [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died after in Anjou, Isere, Rhone-Alpes, Francemap
Vermandois-351 created 20 Mar 2016 | Last modified | Last edit: 9 May 2017
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Contents

Line of Descent to William the Conqueror

Douglas Richardson [1] provides one line of descent from Charlemagne to William the Conqueror and four lines of descent from Charlemagne to William's wife Maud.

Parent: Robert,
This profile: Adele, born 934
Child: Ermengarde, born 952

Biography

Name

  • Adele of Troyes, daughter of Robert, Count of Meaux and his wife Adelais, alias Werra. [1]
  • Adele de Troyes [2]
  • Adele of Meaux [3]
  • Adela Vermandois [3]

Birth and Parentage

Both the date and place of birth of Adele of Troyes are unknown. [2]

Wikipedia shows her birth year as about 934 without further citation. [3] However, the date is consistent with other dates in her life.

Her father was Robert, count of Meaux and Troyes and her mother was Adélaïde alias Werra, daughter of Giselbert, count of Chalon and Troyes. [2] Sometimes she is falsely shown as the daughter of Heribert II, who died in 943, count of Vermandois, who was actually her grandfather. [2] [4]

She was of the Carolingian Noble Family. Her father was Robert of Vermandois and her mother was Adelaide-Werra de Chalon[3]

Adele was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Troyes, and Adelaide de Chalon.[5]

Early Life

Adela de Meaux ([950]-974 after 6 Mar).[6][7]

Adele of Meaux (c. 934 – c. 982) was a French noblewoman. She was Countess of Chalon and later Countess of Anjou.[3]

965 Marriage to Geoffroi

About 965 she married Geoffroi I Grisegonelle, Count of Anjou (958/960-987), Count of Chalon (979-987), son of Foulques II the Good, Count of Anjoy, by his wife Gerberge. [1]

[From now on, applies to Geoffrey's first wife]
Adele of Meaux (b. bef. [950], d. 974 after 6 Mar), was a daughter of Robert of Vermandois. She is often confused with Adelaide of Châlons, who was also known as Adelaide-Werra, Adelaide of Burgundy, and/or possibly Adelais de Vergy.

m.1 (before 965) GEOFFROY I “Grisegonelle” Comte d'Anjou, son of FOULQUES II Comte d’Anjou & his first wife Gerberge [de Maine] (-21 Jul 987). Adela died and Geoffroy married, second, (2 or 9 Mar 979) ADELAIS, widow of LAMBERT Comte de Chalon. (They had one child: Maurice.)fmg.ac[1]

She married Geoffroy I Grisegonelle, d. 987, count of Anjou.[2]

She married Geoffrey I of Anjou (c. 938/940 – July 21, 987). [3]

974 Death

Adèle was still living 6 March 974, the date of a charter in which she donated when she donated her hereditary domains to Saint-Aubin in Angers. Witnesses included, among others, her husband Geoffroy, sons Foulques and Geoffroy, and count Heribert. Her death would have occurred after 974. Place of death is unknown. [2]

Richardson adds that Adele was deceased by 979, when her husband then married another Adele, widow of Lambert I, Count of Chalon-sur-Saone (died 22 Feb 978). They had one son, Maurice. Geoffroi I, Count of Anjou, was slain in battle at Marcon (near Chateau-du-Loir) 21 July 987, and was buried at Saint-Martin de Tours. His widow, the second Adele, was living in 999. [1]

She died about 982 and was buried in the St. Aubin Abbey, Angers.[3]

Adele died in 982. [8]

Issue

Children of Adele and Geoffroi

Adele and Geoffroi had two sons and two daughters [1]

  1. Foulques (Anjou) d'Anjou , born 972. Foulques III Nerra (Count of Anjou), born between 965 and 974 [1] Fulk III of Anjou (b. before 965, d after 982) [9] FOULQUES d'Anjou (970-Metz 21 Jun 1040, bur Beaulieu-lez-Loche, Abbaye de Saint-Pierre).[10] Foulques III Nerra, d. 1040, count of Anjou. [2] Fulk III of Anjou, child of Adele of Meau and Geoffrey I [3] Fulk III of Anjou (970-1040), he succeeded his father as Count of Anjou. [3]
  2. [[Anjou-158|Geoffrey (Anjou) d'Anjou, born Anjou 964. Geoffroi, born between 965 and 974 [1] Gottfried of Anjou (after 6 Mar 974) [9] GEOFFROY (-after 6 Mar 974).[11] Geoffrey, living 6 March 974.[2] Geoffrey, child of Adele of Meau and Geoffrey I [3] Geoffrey of Anjou (971-977), died young.[3]
  3. Ermengarde (Anjou) de Bretagne, born 952. Ermengarde, born between 965 and 974 [1] Ermengarde of Anjou, who married Conan I of Rennes[9] Ermendarge d'Anjou (before 965-after 982).[12] Ermengarde, d. aft. 992, m. Conan I de Rennes, d. 992.[2] Ermengarde-Gerberga of Anjou, child of Adele of Meau and Geoffrey I [3] Ermengarde, Countess of Rennes and Duchess of Brittany[3]
  4. Gerberga (Anjou) Angoulême, born Anjou 962. Gerberge (wife of Guillaume IV, Count of Angouleme). born between 965 and 974. [1] Gerberga of Anjou (b. 974 or before, d. after 1 Apr 1040)[9] Gerberge d'Anjou (974 or before-after 1 Apr 1040).[13]

Gerberge, d. aft. 988, m. Guillaume IV, count of Angoulême.[2]

Additional Children Linked on WikiTree

The following children linked on WikiTree but not verified are shown below. These children are not listed by Richardson or Baldwin. Some resolution will be required of these children.

  1. Maud. Born Chalon, no birth year. Married Anjou
  2. Elizabeth (Châlons) Vergy, born Chalons, 958
  3. Maud (Châlons) de Semur, born 969
  4. Aelis (Châlons) Mâcon , born 985. Supposedly the daughter of Adelaide and Lambert.

Children formerly linked which have been delinked

  1. Hugues (Châlons) de Châlons, born Dijon 1030 has been shown as the child of Lambert and Adelaide de Vermandois. There are two problems with this -- (1) Lambert and Adelaide were married to different people, and (2) Hughes was born well after the deaths of both of them. Therefore I have delinked Hughes from Adelaide.Day-1904 12:11, 18 March 2017 (EDT)


Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 Douglas Richardson. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Kimball G Everingham, Editor. Salt Lake City, Utah: By the Author, 2013. Volume V, p. 485-486
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.8 2.9 Adele de Troyes. Wife of Geoffroy Grisegonnelle, count of Anjou. The Henry Project Compiled by Stewart Baldwin, first uploaded 23 May 2007, Minor revision uploaded 24 April 2008. Based on the following bibliography:
    • Cart. S.-Aubin = Bertrand de Broussillon, Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Aubin d'Angers, 3 vols. (Angers, 1903).
    • Lot (1901) = Ferdinand Lot, "Herbert le Jeune et la succession des comtés champenois", Annales de l'Est 15 (1901), 265-283.
    • Mabille (1871) = Émile Mabille, Introduction au Chroniques des Comtes d'Anjou (Société de l'Histoire de France, vol. 155, Paris, 1871).
    • Poupardin (1900) = René Poupardin, "Généalogies angevines du XIe siècle", Mélanges d'Archéologie et d'Histoire (Paris, Rome) 20 (1900):199-208.
  3. 3.00 3.01 3.02 3.03 3.04 3.05 3.06 3.07 3.08 3.09 3.10 3.11 3.12 Wikipedia. Adele of Meaux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_of_Meaux. Accessed May 4, 2017. jhd
  4. The major medieval source for Adèle's parentage is an eleventh century collection of Angevin genealogies, which includes a genealogical table of Adèle's relatives [Poupardin (1900), 207]. cited by Stewart Baldwin, Henry Project.
  5. Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Band III Teilband 1 (Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1984), Tafel 49. Cited by Wikipedia. Adele of Meaux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_of_Meaux. Accessed May 4, 2017. jhd
  6. manuscript dated to early 12th century records "Herbertus de Tricis, Robertus, Adela, Fulco, Gaufridus Martellus". (This describes the descent of Geoffrey II of Anjou from Herbert II of Vermandois.) Marriage date: est based on est. birth of oldest dau.
  7. "Adela" donated property to Saint-Aubin d'Angers by charter dated 6 Mar 974 which names "seniore meo Gauzfredo comite" and is subscribed by "Gauzfredi comitis, Fulconis filii eius, Gauzfredi filii eius".

    The Chronicæ Sancti Albini names "Adela comitissa…et marito suo Gaufrido" as present at the ordination of "Rainaldus episcopus" in 1074. "Fulco Andecavorum comes" relinquished rights to the bishop of Angers "pro anima patris mei Gauffredi et matris Adelæ" by charter dated 17 Jan 1020. (1074 is presumably a mistake for 974?)
  8. Bernard S. Bachrach, Fulk Nerra the Neo-Roman Consul, 987–1040 (Berkeley & Los Angeles: University of California Press, 1993), p. 11 Cited by Wikipedia. Adele of Meaux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_of_Meaux. Accessed May 4, 2017. jhd
  9. 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.3 Prior discussion on profile, no source.
  10. Historiæ Andegavensis, allegedly written by Foulques IV "Rechin" Comte d'Anjou, names "Goffridus Grisagonella pater avi mei Fulconis". succeeded father 987 as Foulques III "Nerra/the Black" Comte d'Anjou.
  11. "Adela" donated property to Saint-Aubin d'Angers by charter dated 6 Mar 974 which names "seniore meo Gauzfredo comite" and is subscribed by "Gauzfredi comitis, Fulconis filii eius, Gauzfredi filii eius"[113].
  12. Rodulfus Glaber: Conan m. sister of Foulques of Anjou but does not name her. primary source which confirms her name not identified. She was presumably born before 965 if her first child was born 980. m (973) CONAN Comte de Rennes, son of JUDICAËL BERENGAR Comte de Rennes & wife Gerberge - (-killed in battle Conquereil 27 Jun 992). He succeeded 990 as CONAN I "le Tort" Duke of Brittany.
  13. Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes records marriage of "comes…Engolismæ Willelmus" and "Girberga sorore comitis Fulconis". Historia Pontificum et Comitum Engolismensis names "Giberta sorore Comitis Guillermi Andegavensis" as wife of "Guillermus Comes Engolismensis". "Gaufredus et uxor mea Petronilla" donated property "ecclesiam Sancti Pauli

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Collaboration

On 9 May 2017 at 01:15 GMT Bob Wood wrote:

Problem with birth date of Vermandois-351 (abt 934) and father, Vermandois-1 (931).

On 5 Mar 2017 at 21:29 GMT Jack Day wrote:

I propose to start bringing in data from Royal Ancestry, Henry Project, and Medlands to expand and clarify this profile as part of the trail from Charlemagne to William the Conqueror. Please let me know of any concerns you may have as I do this!

On 4 Aug 2016 at 10:26 GMT RJ Horace wrote:

Looking at the kids

- the two Mauds are the same, their father is Lambert and their mother should be his wife, Adelaide Unknown-313332

- who is also Hugh's mother

- Aelis and Elizabeth are unaccounted for. They aren't Adele's, or Geoffrey's, or Adelaide's, or Lambert's. Elizabeth was a very unusual name before AD 1000.

On 24 Jul 2016 at 09:35 GMT RJ Horace wrote:

Good to see the two wives of Geoffrey now have a profile each

Still some issues

1 - The first block in the bio needs moving to the other wife

2 - She gave away her land on 6 Mar 974 and was dead by 979, when Geoffrey remarried

3 - Gottfried died after 6 Mar 974 (witnessed the deed)

4 - the Wikipedia page is all confused and needs a danger warning attached to the link.

5 - worth noting that Henry Project and Richardson both call her Adele de Troyes, though this might just be a legacy of old confusion with her mother

6 - the name Chalons invites confusion, since the future 2nd wife was Countess of Chalons the whole time

7 - should only be 4 kids not 9

8 - the Uncertain flags and dispute notice can go now, as they're just leftovers from previous confusion

On 24 Jul 2016 at 09:12 GMT RJ Horace wrote:

On 1 Feb 2015 at 00:29 GMT Maggie N. wrote:

Unknown-243234 and DeVermandois Meaux Anjou-1 do not represent the same person because: Names are similar but not same woman

On 29 Jun 2014 at 22:33 GMT Vic Watt wrote:

Adelais, the widow of Lambert, who married Geoffoy, was not the daughter of Robert de Vermandois. Her origins are unknown. SEE: http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANJOU,%20MAINE.htm#GeoffroyIdied987B

I have inserted a note regarding Disputed Origins, and I would like to change her LNAB to Unknown. Any objections?

On 18 Mar 2013 at 21:54 GMT Vic Watt wrote:

Adelais and Adele de Meaux, both wives of Geoffrey d'Anjou, are not the same women. Do not merge them.

On 18 Mar 2013 at 21:49 GMT Vic Watt wrote:

Adèle de Meaux and Adelais, both wives of Geoffrey d'Anjou, are not the same women. Do not merge them.

On 1 Mar 2013 at 13:35 GMT Roger Travis Jr. wrote:



Adele is 28 degrees from Kevin Bacon, 27 degrees from Cindy Lesure, 29 degrees from Bonnie Thornton and 26 degrees from Queen Elizabeth II Windsor on our single family tree. Login to find your connection.

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