Bill Vincent Ph.D.
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Bill Vincent Ph.D.

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Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Born 1950s.
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Contents

Biography

Crown of St Edward
Bill Vincent Ph.D. is the descendant of a Huguenot emigrant.
Bill Vincent Ph.D. is a Project Member of the Main and all subprojects of the Military and War Project.

Why Genealogy?

Bill began working on his own family tree after his mother passed away in 1984. He had been interested in her family research before, and picked up her efforts soon after she died. His first online genealogy experience was with using Compuserve and Mailing Lists, years before the Worldwide Web was created. (Yes, he's ancient.) His mother's ancestors traditionally valued their ancestry and passed on a rich tradition of oral family history.
Virginia and Southern Colonies

Early Southern & Kentucky Roots

Bill was born and raised in Kentucky, as have been all his ancestors for the past 190 years. Several ancestors came to Kentucky before statehood in 1792. Most of Bill's Kentucky ancestors came from Virginia, North Carolina and Maryland, plus some from Delaware, and South Carolina. Just a few were Yankees from Pennsylvania and New York. Bill's Virginia cousins include US Presidents, Governors, First Ladies, and Frontier Explorers. (See list below.)

Kentucky Counties

Bill and his immediate family were raised in Grayson and Edmonson Counties, for whom he is the KyGenWeb coordinator. Other family came from Adair, Barren, Green, Hardin, LaRue, Lincoln, Marion, Metcalfe, Nelson, Washington, and Wayne Counties. He has a large personal database of over 100,000 entries, especially of people linked to those areas.
Kentucky Counties of Principal Interest

Historic Roots

Thirty Patriot Ancestors of the American Revolution (see list below), plus three English Loyalists.
Most of Bill's Kentucky kinfolk fought for the Union during the Civil War, even slaveholders. One ancestor who didn't own slaves was a Confederate in the Kentucky Orphan Brigade.
Other ancestors fought in the French and Indian War, Northwest Indian War, and the War of 1812.
Two ancestors, James Wood and James Watson, were captured at Preston in 1715 during the First Jacobite Rebellion in England, and deported as prisoners to Jamestown, Virginia.
Bill's Personal Hero is his Uncle, Lieutenant Colonel Edward Lane, who earned Engineering degrees at West Point, University of Kentucky and Harvard, and died tragically in Vietnam.

Professions

  • Ph.D. Pharmaceutical Scientist, Chemist, and College Soccer Coach.
  • Bill's father was a Haberdasher, Farmer, Agriculturalist, and Politician.
  • Bill's Kentucky ancestors were Farmers, Horse Traders, Hunters, Merchants, Physicians, Postmasters, Teachers, Soldiers, and Surveyors.

Ancestral Family

Bill Vincent Ph.D. is a member of the Ashley Name Study Project.
Bill Vincent Ph.D. is a member of the Logan Name Study Project.
Bill Vincent Ph.D. is a member of the Meredith Name Study Project.
Bill Vincent Ph.D. is a member of the Milner Name Study Project.
Bill Vincent Ph.D. is a member of the Musick Name Study Project.
Bill Vincent Ph.D. is a member of the Saling Name Study Project.
Bill Vincent Ph.D. is a member of the Sandidge Name Study Project.
Bill Vincent Ph.D. is a member of the Skaggs Name Study Project.
Bill Vincent Ph.D. is a member of the Vincent Name Study Project.
Four-Generation Family Tree
(with photos)
Bill's Family Surnames (Link)
  • Skaggs (4 of 4 grandparents)
  • Meredith (3 of 4 grandparents)
Surnames of Great-Grandparents:
  • Vincent
  • Meredith (2)
  • Lane
  • Musick
  • Goff
  • Asbury
  • Nelson

Living Family

Bill has three children, six grandchildren, and one sweet sister.
He is fortunate to have many wonderful cousins in Kentucky and around the USA.

Personal Info

B.S. in Chemistry - Univ. of Ky.     ...Go Cats!
Ph.D. in Pharmaceutics - Univ. of Fla.
Living in New Jersey for past 40 years, but still a Kentucky boy at heart.
Bill likes to help people, so please feel free to avail yourself of any meager knowledge or experience he may possess.
I will take it with me when I go. I'd like to pass on as much as possible.

Apology

Bill is occasionally mistaken for Astronaut Scott Kelly, to whom Bill offers his sincere apologies.
Astronaut Scott Kelly

Patriot Ancestors

Patriots of the
American
Revolution
William Blanton - 5th-great-grandfather
Humphrey Brooke 6th-great-grandfather
William Decker 5th-great-grandfather
Cornelius Drake 6th-great-grandfather
Mark Foster 6th-great-grandfather
Willam Froggett 4th-great-grandfather
Michael Goodnight 7th-great-grandfather
Hugh Gordon 6th-great-grandfather
Elizabeth Graves Sandidge 6th-great-grandmother
Thomas Harbour 7th-great-grandfather
Vincent Hobbs 6th-great-grandfather
John Kendrick 6th-great-grandfather
Solomon Kessinger 5th-great-grandfather
William Logan 5th-great-grandfather
John Love 6th-great-grandfather
Thomas Luckett 6th-great-grandfather
David McGowan 5th-great-grandfather
Joseph Millsaps 6th-great-grandfather
Abraham Musick 6th-great-grandfather
John Radford 6th-great-grandfather
Samuel Sanders 5th-great-grandfather
John Sandidge 5th-great-grandfather
William Sandidge 6th-great-grandfather
John Simms 6th-great-grandfather
Charles Skaggs 6th-great-grandfather
Richard Skaggs 5th-great-grandfather
Zachariah Taylor 5th-great-grandfather
Day Willin 5th-great-grandfather
David Witt 6th-great-grandfather
John Witt 5th-great-grandfather
David Wood 6th-great-grandfather

Notable Relationships

Presidents
3rd Cousin Harry
George Washington and Bill are 5C8R.
John Adams and Bill are 5C7R.
James Madison and Bill are 4C7R.
John Quincy Adams and Bill are 6C6R.
William Henry Harrison and Bill are 5C7R.
John Tyler and Bill are 4C6R.
Millard Filmore and Bill are 7C5R.
Abraham Lincoln and Bill are 2C5R.
Chester A. Arthur and Bill are 6C7R.
Grover Cleveland and Bill are 7C4R.
Theodore Roosevelt and Bill are 6C4R.
Franklin D. Roosevelt and Bill are 9C5R.
Harry S. Truman and Bill are 3C6R.
Lyndon Johnson and Bill are 8C3R.
Gerald R. Ford and Bill are 9C2R.
Jimmy Carter and Bill are 7C2R.
George H. W. Bush and Bill are 8C & 8C1R.
George W. Bush and Bill are 8C1R & 9C.
Barack H. Obama and Bill are 7C2R & 8C1R.
Vice Presidents
Maj. Gen. John Cabell Breckinridge and Bill are 4C4R.
Hubert H. Humphrey and Bill are 8C3R.
Cousin Mary Todd
First Ladies
Mary Todd Lincoln and Bill are 3C4R.
Edith Bolling Wilson and Bill are 8C3R.
Eleanor Roosevelt and Bill are 8C2R.
Nancy Robbins Reagan and Bill are 6C2R.
Hillary Rodham Clinton and Bill are 6C2R.
Signers & US Founding Fathers
Carter Braxton and Bill are 1C8R.
John Hanson and Bill are 2C8R.
Charles of Carrollton Carroll and Bill were 3C8R.
Daniel Carroll and Bill were 3C8R.
Thomas Stone and Bill are 5C8R.
Peyton Randolph and Bill are 7C7R.
Alexander Hamilton and Bill are 8C5R
Edmund Jennings Randolph and Bill are 8C6R.
Politicians, Statesmen & Judges
KY Sen. William Logan and Bill are 1C6R.
KY Gov. Isaac Shelby and Bill are 1C7R (x2).
Governor Isaac Shelby
KY Gov. William Owsley and Bill are 2C6R.
KY Sen. Humphrey Marshall and Bill are 2C6R.
VA Gov. Robert Brooke and Bill are 2C7R.
VA Gov. William H. Cabell and Bill are 2C6R.
VA Gov. John Page and Bill are 3C8R.
KY Gov. Augustus O. Stanley and Bill are 4C4R.
KY Sen. Henry Clay and Bill are 4C5R.
VA Gov. John Floyd and Bill are 4C5R.
VA Gov. Thomas Mann Randolph and Bill are 4C7R.
VA Gov. John B. Floyd and Bill are 5C4R.
AR Gov. Thomas Churchill and Bill are 5C6R.
KY Gov. Charles S. Morehead and Bill are 6C5R.
KY Gov. Earle C. Clements and Bill are 7C4R.
SCOTUS Justice Sandra (Day) O'Connor an Bill are 7C & 8C.
Pioneers and Explorers
Samuel Saunders is Bill's 5th-great grandfather
Longhunter Richard Skaggs is Bill's 5th-great grandfather.
Longhunter Charles Skaggs is Bill's 6th-great grandfather.
Michael Goodnight is Bill's 7th-great-grandfather.
General Benjamin Logan is Bill's 6th-great uncle.
Uncle Ben Logan
John Floyd and Bill are 3C6R.
MO Gov. William Clark and Bill are 3C7R.
Astronaut Neil Armstrong and Bill are 7C2R.
Military Leaders
Lt. Col. Edward Lane is Bill's uncle.
Brig. Gen. Evan Shelby is Bill's 7th-great uncle.
Gen. George Rogers Clark and Bill are 3C7R.
Maj. Gen. John Cabell Breckinridge and Bill are 4C4R.
Maj. Gen. Samuel Bell Maxey and Bill are 4C5R.
Maj. Gen. Thomas Churchill are 5C6R.
Maj. Gen. J.E.B. Stuart and Bill are 6C4R.
Brig. Gen. Chuck Yeager and Bill are 7C1R.
Brig. Gen. George Patton and Bill are 10C1R.
General William C. Westmoreland and Bill are 11C1R.
Historical & Legendary Figures
James Stuart (IV) King of Scots is Bill's 14th great-grandfather.
Mary (Stewart) Queen of Scots and Bill are 1C14R.
Alva Belmont (aka Vanderbilt) (Socialite) and Bill are 4C4R.
Doris Duke (Philanthropist) and Bill are 5C5R.
Pocahontas is Bill's 10th-Great Grand Aunt.
Johnny Appleseed and Bill are 9C5R.
Diana, Princes of Wales and Bill are 11C1R
Robert Burns and Bill are 13C1R.
Diana, Princes of Wales
Inventors
Ted Dabney and Bill are 8C1R.
Dr. Frederick Banting and Bill are 8C2R.
Walter Chrysler and Bill are 8C3R.
Orville Wright and Bill are 9C3R.
Wilbur Wright and Bill are 9C3R.
Artists and Entertainers
Woody Guthrie and Bill are 4C1R.
Arlo Guthrie and Bill are 5C. (sharing DNA)
Chace Crawford and Bill are 5C1R.
Minnie Pearl and Bill are 5C2R.
Johnny Depp and Bill are 6C.
George C. Scott and Bill are 6C1R.
Holly Hunter and Bill are 6C1R.
Willie Nelson and Bill are 6C2R.
Emily Dickenson and Bill are 6C4R.
Robert Redford and Bill are 7C.
Steve McQueen and Bill are 7C1R.
Neil Patrick Harris and Bill are 7C1R
Woody Guthrie
(a Kessinger-Logsdon cousin)
Andie MacDowell and Bill are 7C1R.
Cab Calloway and Bill are 7C1R.
Loretta Lynn and Bill are 7C1R & 8C.
Eric & Julia Roberts and Bill are 7C1R & 8C.
Blake Lively and Bill are 7C1R & 8C.
Jimi Hendrix and Bill are 7C2R.
Brad Pitt and Bill are 7C2R.
Johnny Cash and Bill are 7C3R.
John Wayne and Bill are 7C3R.
Edward Hopper and Bill are 7C3R.
Elvis Aaron Presley and Bill are 8C.
Stephen King and Bill are 8C.
Robin Williams and Bill are 8C.
Reese Witherspoon and Bill are 8C & 9C.
Ed Helms and Bill are 8C.
Nancy Wilson (of Heart) and Bill are 8C.
Phil & Don Everly and Bill are 8C1R.
Cousin Steve
Paris Hilton and Bill are 8C1R.
Harper Lee and Bill are 8C2R.
Henry Fonda and Bill are 8C2R.
Lady Gaga and Bill are 8C2R.
Maggie Lawson and Bill are 8C2R (x2).
Agatha Christie and Bill are 8C3R.
Edward Norton and Bill are 8C3R.
John Singer Sargent and Bill are 8C4R.
Debbie Reynolds and Bill are 9C (x2).
Billy Ray Cyrus and Bill are 9C.
Miley Cyrus and Bill are 9C1R.
Jane Fonda and Bill are 9C1R.
Carrie Fisher and Bill are 9C1R (x2).
Robert Duvall and Bill are 9C1R.
Ronnie Van Zant and Bill are 9C2R.
Cliff Arquette and Bill are 9C2R.
Katharine Hepburn and Bill are 9C4R.
Cate Blanchett and Bill are 10C1R.
Lewis Arquette and Bill are 10C1R.
Lucille Ball and Bill are 10C2R.
Shirley (Temple) Black and Bill are 10C2R.
F. Scott Fitzgerald and Bill are 10C3R.
Buddy Holly and Bill are 11C1R.
Athletes
Joe Blanton and Bill are 4C1R.
Phil Simms and Bill are 5C2R.
Bobby Jones and Bill are 7C1R.
Muhammad Ali and Bill are 8C1R.
Mickey Mantle and Bill are 8C2R.
Magna Carta Signators (if you trust the lineages)
Magna Carta
John Fitz Robert is Bill's 24th-great grandfather.
Grandpa Gilbert
William de Mowbray is Bill's 25th-great grandfather.
Robert de Roos is Bill's 25th-great grandfather.
William d'Aubigny is Bill's 25th-great grandfather.
Geoffrey de Say is Bill's 25th-great grandfather.
William de Huntingfield is Bill's 26th-great grandfather.
William de Lanvallei is Bill's 26th-great grandfather.
Robert FitzWalter is Bill's 27th-great grandfather.
Gilbert de Clare is Bill's 27th-great grandfather.
John de Lacy is Bill's 27th-great grandfather.
William Malet is Bill's 27th-great grandfather.
Hugh (III) le Bigod is Bill's 28th-great grandfather.
Saier de Quincy is Bill's 28th-great grandfather.
Robert de Vere is Bill's 28th-great grandfather.

Sources

  • Ky Birth Records, 1911-1999, CD-ROM
  • Kentucky Marriage Records
  • Public Records
  • First-hand information. Entered by William Vincent.

DNA Confirmation

Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with The Virginia Connectors during the January 2024 Connect-a-Thon, and added 238 connections.
Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with The Virginia Connectors during the January 2023 Connect-a-Thon, and added 200 connections.We added 10,237 connections & finished in 1st place!
Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with Team Virginia during the 2022 Source-a-Thon, adding sources to 319 previously unsourced profiles.
Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with The Virginia Connectors during the 2022 Connect-a-Thon, and added 387 connections.We finished in 1st place!
Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with Team Virginia during the 2021 Source-a-Thon, adding sources to 251 previously unsourced profiles. We added 6,673 sources & finished in 1st place!
Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with The Virginia Connectors during the 2021 Connect-a-Thon, and added 861 connections.We finished in 2nd place!
Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with Team Virginia during the 2021! Clean-a-Thon.correcting 2,062 suggestions.We cleaned 16,737 suggestions & finished in 5th place!
Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with Team Virginia during the 2020 Source-a-Thon, adding sources to 406 previously unsourced profiles. We finished in 5th place!
Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with Team Virginia during the 2020! Clean-a-Thon.correcting 2,186 suggestions.We cleaned 15,730 suggestions & finished in 3rd place!
Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with Team Virginia during the 2019! Clean-a-Thon.correcting 2,065 suggestions.We cleaned 11,253 suggestions & finished in 3rd place!
Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with Team Virginia during the 2018 Source-a-Thon, adding sources to 300 previously unsourced profiles. We finished in 6th place!
Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with Team Virginia during the 2017 Source-a-Thon, adding sources to 457 previously unsourced profiles. We finished in 3rd place!
  • Parental relationship is confirmed by a 2,781 cM match between Bill Vincent GEDmatch T827997 and his sister M. Vincent GEDmatch M811226.
  • Maternal relationship is confirmed with an AncestryDNA test match between Matthew Patterson and Bill Vincent, first cousins once removed. Predicted relationship reported by AncestryDNA: 1st to 2nd Cousins based on sharing 575 cM across 29 segments; Confidence: Extremely High.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed by an autosomal AncestryDNA test match between Bill Vincent and Rick Ashley, his 3rd cousin . Their most-recent common ancestors are Reuben Vincent and Elizabeth Blanton, the great great grandparents of both Bill Vincent and Rick Ashley. Predicted relationship from AncestryDNA: 2nd to 3rd cousins, based on sharing 127 cM across 4 segments.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed through Y-chromosome DNA testing. Bill Vincent, FTDNA kit #91114, and his 4th cousin, B. G. Vincent, match at a Genetic Distance of 0 on 67 markers thereby confirming their direct paternal lines back to their MRCA Reuben Vincent. FTDNA indicates that the probability the two share a common ancestor within the last 5 generations is 94.23% and within the last 6 generations is 96.74%.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed by a 126.4 cM match between Bill Vincent GEDmatch T827997 and his double third cousin Jerry Blankenship GEDmatch M283958.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed by a 65.4 cM match between Bill Vincent GEDmatch T827997 and his third cousin Kathie (Ashley) Nelson GEDmatch A901375.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed by a 325.8 cM match between Bill Vincent GEDmatch M143417 and his second Cousin Mary Wheat GEDmatch T661076.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed by a AncestryDNA test match between Bill Vincent and M. Kessinger, second cousins twice removed. Their most-recent common ancestor is Alexander Kessinger, the third-great grandfather of Bill Vincent and great grandfather of M. Kessinger. Predicted relationship from AncestryDNA: Third Cousin, based on sharing 122 cM across 4 segments.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed by a triangulated group consisting of Bill Vincent GEDmatch M143417, Brian Hightower GEDmatch A750742 and Harry Binkow GEDmatch T594819 sharing a 22.2 cM segment on chromosome 12 from 77579514 to 101235572.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed by a triangulated group on GEDmatch consisting of Barbara Lewis, T.P.Risley, Bill Vincent, and Trish B., who share a 15.4 cM segment on chromosome 5. The most-recent common ancestors shared by all three are William Salling and Molly Gage.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed with an AncestryDNA test match between Bill Vincent and Ray Dennison, second cousins once removed. Predicted relationship reported by AncestryDNA: 3rd Cousins based on sharing 145 cM across 9 segments; Confidence: Extremely High.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed with an AncestryDNA test match between Judi Corbin and Bill Vincent, first cousins once removed. Predicted relationship reported by AncestryDNA: 1st to 2nd Cousins based on sharing 472 cM across 24 segments; Confidence: Extremely High
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed by an AncestryDNA test match between Bill Vincent and his third cousin once removed D J (Blanton) Stewart. Their most-recent common ancestors are George Asa Blanton and Margaret Saling. Predicted relationship from AncestryDNA: 3rd Cousins, based on sharing 39 cM across 3 segments.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed by a triangulated group on GEDmatch who share a 25.3 cM segment on chromosome 5, consisting of Bill Vincent, GEDmatch kit # LU672653C1, and Kim (Phifer) Ashby, his 7th cousin, GEDmatch kit # A261764, and Debra (Strink) MIller, his 7th cousin, GEDmatch kit # MQ8429304. (Kim and Debra are 6th cousins.) Their most-recent common ancestors are Bradley Meredith and Dorothy Unknown, the 6x great grandparents of both Bill Vincent and Kim (Phifer) Ashby and 6x great grandparents of Debra (Strink) MIller. DNA test taker Bill Vincent is the 4x great grandson of Frederick Meredith, the son of Joseph Meredith, the son of the common ancestors Bradley Meredith & Dorothy Unknown.
  • Paternal relationship is confirmed by a triangulated group on GEDmatch who share a 20 cM segment on chromosome 5, consisting of Bill Vincent, GEDmatch kit # AY7541459, and Kim (Phifer) Ashby, his 7th cousin, GEDmatch kit # A261764, and James Cannon, his 5th cousin 1x removed, GEDmatch kit # LD6545313. (Kim and James are 6th cousins 1x removed.) Their most-recent common ancestors are Bradley Meredith and Dorothy Unknown, the 6x great grandparents of both Bill Vincent and Kim (Phifer) Ashby and 5x great grandparents of James Cannon.
  • Maternal relationship is confirmed by an exact HVR1 and HVR2 match between this Family Tree DNA mtDNA test for William Vincent and this mtDNA test of his maternal line cousin Daniel O'Connor.
  • Maternal relationship is confirmed by an AncestryDNA test match between Bill Vincent and his third cousin G. Crenshaw. Their most-recent common ancestors are their great, great grandparents, Morris Asbury and Louticia Froggett. Predicted relationship from AncestryDNA: 3rd Cousins, based on sharing 109 cM across 6 segments; Confidence: Extremely High.
  • Maternal relationship is confirmed by a 47.0 cM X-Chromosome match between Bill Vincent GEDmatch A660845 and his 4th Cousin Freddy Arlen Parsley GEDmatch A386123. Their MCRA is Elizabeth (Quisenberry) Nelson.
  • Maternal relationship is confirmed by a 40.3-cM X-Chromosome match between Bill Vincent GEDmatch A660845 and his 5th Cousin Barry W. Downs GEDmatch A063195. Their MCRA is Anna (Gordon) Sanders. (There is no automatic way to show this X-Chromosome relationship on WikiTree.)
  • Maternal relationship confirmed by William Vincent (M143417) and Summer Orman (A239508) 7.8 cM match on one segment, using Gedmatch with 7.4 generations to MRCA.
  • Maternal relationship is confirmed with an AncestryDNA test match between Bill Vincent and June (Jeffries) Watts, third cousins. Predicted relationship reported by AncestryDNA: 3rd Cousins based on sharing 158 cM across 9 segments; Confidence: Extremely High.
  • Maternal relationship is confirmed by triangulated groups consisting of:

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  • e-mail address
  • exact birthdate
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  • private siblings' names
  • private children's names (3)
  • spouse's name and marriage information
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DNA Connections
It may be possible to confirm family relationships by comparing test results with Bill or other carriers of his ancestors' Y-chromosome or mitochondrial DNA. Y-chromosome DNA test-takers in his direct paternal line on WikiTree:
  • Bill Vincent: Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test 111 markers, haplogroup I-FTA19401, FTDNA kit #91114 + Y-Chromosome Test 111 markers, haplogroup I-Z63
Mitochondrial DNA test-takers in the direct maternal line:
  • Bill Vincent: Family Tree DNA mtDNA Test HVR1 and HVR2, haplogroup HV7, FTDNA kit #91114, MitoYDNA ID T12324 [compare]
  • Daniel O'Connor Find Relationship : Mitochondrial DNA Test HVR1 and HVR2, haplogroup HV7
It is likely that these autosomal DNA test-takers will share some percentage of DNA with Bill:

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You're amazing Bill! Congrats on being Team Virginia's top connector for the January 2024 Connect-a-Thon: 238 of the team's 1119 connections.

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Every profile added helps. Thanks also for your participation, Liz. Always nice to hear from you. 🥂 to you.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Thank you for your participation on Team Virginia in the July 2023 Connect-A-Thon. You helped bring Team Virginia to a 15th Place finish with 2,295 profiles added. We could not have done it without you! This year's Thon members added 95,575 new Profiles to the Global Shared Tree!! Here is The Wrap Up information
Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with The Virginia Connectors during the 2023 Connect-a-Thon, and added 181 connections.

Nancy Thomas ~ Team Virginia

posted by Nancy Thomas
Bill ----

I owe you a very long Appalachian email. It's complicated. A Zoom would be easier to talk it out. :)

As always, I appreciate your thoughts and conversations... and book recommendations.

posted by Sandy (Craig) Patak
Bill, I uploaded the image you sent for https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:San_Jacinto_Battle_in_Texas_Revolution

I saved it to down 4/5 way as the image is large. (I have it sized as 700). Thanks for sending it.

Mary

posted by Mary Richardson
Hi Bill!

Thank you for your participation on Team Virginia in the 2022 Source-A-Thon. You helped bring Team Virginia to an amazing 1st place finish. We could not have done it without you! This year's Thon members sourced over 63,000k Profiles to the Global Shared Tree!! Here is The Wrap Up information

Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with Team Virginia during the 2022 Source-a-Thon, adding sources to 319 previously unsourced profiles. We added 7,350 sources & finished in 1st place!

Mindy and & Sandy ~ Team Virginia

WikiTree Symposium and Day on November 4-5, 2022

posted by Sandy (Craig) Patak
Thanks, Sandy, but i credit a great team with amazing captains who inspire everyone. Thanks for all that you do.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Dr - I have 1 day of experience with this, so I'm really struggling. What a pleasant surprise to get your suggested merge. I do realize that it means i made an error in creating it, the confirmation on that specific profile is a huge deal to me. Catharina Natsin is my GGGM. I have had nothing but frustrations for years in trying to expand upon my few leads on the Slovak branch of my family. I may have not discovered yet how to figure this out for myself, but could you tell me where you got the info from for that profile? Thank you again.
posted by Joe Krasnican
Bill -

We just started a new project on WikiTree: the Appalachia Project and we would love to have you join us. Since you are already working on profiles in Appalachia it wouldn't add to your WT work. Just a sticker and a category, here and there. To join, review the Project page, pick a regional team (or teams) and answer the G2G Membership post.

Join Today!
posted by Sandy (Craig) Patak
Congratulations. You’re the best, most generous WiKiTreer and the best cousin ever!!!
posted by Mary (Wheat) Hatcher
Congratulations on the 10,000+ connections from this newbie of a few months. I was wondering how a great profile page might look. I think I found one,
posted by Peter Hitchmough
Thanks for the compliment, Peter. If I can ever help with anything on WikiTree, please just let me know.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
What a pleasant profile page and love the Kentucky history. That's amazing about all your connections 😀
posted by Maggie N.
Congratulations on your 10,000 connections! Your profile page is amazing too!
Hi Bill.

Ten thousand connections within seven degrees! What an amazing accomplishment! Only 10 other WikiTreers have a CC7 of 10,000. Congratulations!

By the way, I happened to notice that you indent a lot of paragraphs with colons. Our preferred style is only to indent paragraphs that should be set apart from other paragraphs. If you want to propose to the community that there be wider margins on text, this could be done with one change and every profile on WikiTree would change to the new style instantly. But then profiles that use colons for every paragraph would look especially odd.

Chris

posted by Chris Whitten
Thanks for the recognition, Chris.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Impressive CC7 there, my friend! 9141. :)
posted by Sandy (Craig) Patak
Hi Bill!

Thank you for your participation on Team Virginia in the July 2022 Connect-A-Thon. You helped bring Team Virginia to an amazing 1st place finish. We could not have done it without you! This year's Thon members added over 87,000k new Profiles to the Global Shared Tree!! Here is The Wrap Up information. Thanks for keeping us company on Discord.

Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with The Virginia Connectors during the 2022 Connect-a-Thon, and added 376 connections.

Mindy and & Sandy ~ Team Virginia

Next Thon: Source-A-Thon in the Fall (tbd) and WikiTree Day on November 5, 2022

posted by Sandy (Craig) Patak
The pleasure was all mine. Glad I could help a little. Looking forward to the Thon in the Fall.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Hi Bill!

Thank you for your participation on Team Virginia in the April 2022 Connect-A-Thon. You helped bring Team Virginia to an amazing 1st place finish. We could not have done it without you! This year's Thon members added over 84,000k new Profiles to the Global Shared Tree!! We all missed you on Discord this time around.

Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with The Virginia Connectors during the 2022 Connect-a-Thon, and added 387 connections.

Mindy and & Sandy ~ Team Virginia

Next Thon: Connect-A-Thon in July (tbd)

posted by Sandy (Craig) Patak
Hi Bill, I have found several more Sandidges that were married around the same time as David and Larkin in Mason county KY: Mary Sandridge to Robert Lurty 25 April 1809 bondsman Joseph Eubanks; Philadelphia Sandridge to James Teeples 20 Apr 1813, bondsman Joseph Eubanks; Martha Sandridge to John Artis 24 march 1812, bondsman Robert Lurtey. These might be other children of Patsy and James. Should we make these into the family of Patsy and James with a strong warning that we do not have any primary evidence and this associated is based on circumstantial evidence? I have not seen a tree with any reasonable references with Patsy and James' children. Robert Lurty is probably the son of John Lurty, Revolutionary soldier, so there may be a reasonable amount of research on that line, and perhaps it can be traced back to James Sandidge through his daughter Mary.
posted by Julie Henry
Julie, I think we can reasonably do something about adding and connecting these Sandidge people in Mason County. I need to find good sources for James Sandidge and Patsy Bronaugh before adding them. Back in 1997 made note of an old Bible entry for James and Patsy that gave their DOB and marriage information, but I need to track that down first, if I can. The Bible might also contain information about their children. After James and Patsy are added to WikiTree, with a source or two, we can then add probable children and grandchildren for them. That has been my plan and I'll be happy to work with you on doing that.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Good Morning, Bill!

I just noticed that we are fourth cousins once removed. Thank you for all your work.

posted by Toni Boone
Hi Bill!

Thank you for your participation (awake and asleep!) with Team Virginia in the January 2022 Connect-A-Thon. You helped bring Team Virginia to an amazing 2nd place finish. We could not have done it without you! This year's Thon members added over 85,000k new Profiles to the Global Shared Tree!!

Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with The Virginia Connectors during the 2022 Connect-a-Thon, and added 298 connections.

Mindy and & Sandy ~ Team Virginia

P.S. Our Discord Channel is also active all year, not only during Thons. Drop in and say hi!

posted by Sandy (Craig) Patak
Thank you, Sandy. Team Virginia is always #1 in my opinion. We have great members and the best captains. Thanks for your contributions and for all that you do.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
edited by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Thanks for your persistence in cleaning up the early Skaggs ancestors. So much junk gets posted by “helpful” folks. Your efforts to point out myths, legends and outright error are greatly appreciated.
posted by Larry Jackson
Hi Bill,

It looks like you may have some outstanding merges that need attention. You can find them by following the link at the top of this page under >My Wikitree>Watchlist, then hit the button that says Pending Merges. If you need help, just ask. Thanks for helping with Wikitree

posted by Robin Lee
Robin, I check my outstanding merges frequently.
  • I merged 2 profiles after you posted this reminder. (Thank you.)
  • I am waiting on one merge for opinions on the correct LNAB.
  • There are 10 merges which are waiting for approval by a profile manager who has not yet responded. These will be merged within days or weeks.
  • There are 22 merges which cannot proceed because one profile is either Private or Protected and the profile managers are either inactive or just unresponsive. This includes the Southern_Pioneers Project, whose managers seem to be in a permanent state of hibernation or else simply choose to ignore proposed merges. (I am a member of Southern Pioneers.) I would be really happy to merge these profiles, if I only could.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
edited by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Greetings “Goodnight” cousin!

(Bill and Patty are 7th cousins once removed)

posted by Patty (Luker) LaPlante
I noticed that Patty. I think we have a tremendous number of Goodnight cousins in the US. I have recently been in contact with a Gutknecht man in Germany who believes we have a common ancestor. I need to follow up with him more.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Bill -

Thanks for joining Team Virginia on the 2021 Source-A-Thon.  Our Team finished in 1st place by sourcing over 6,600 Profiles!  That is an amazing job!! 

We couldn't do it without you & look forward to you joining us on the 2022 Clean-A-Thon!

Mindy & Sandy - Team Virginia Co Captains

P.S. Thanks for sharing the recipes, books & conversation on Discord! Always look forward to your finds that you share.

posted by Sandy (Craig) Patak
We couldn't have done as well without great team leaders. Congratulations on your leadership and energy that spurred everyone to do their best.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Hi Papa Bill!

Thank you for your participation on Team Virginia in the July 2021 Connect-A-Thon. You helped bring Team Virginia to an amazing 2nd place finish. We could not have done it without you! This year's Thon members added over 74,000k new Profiles to the Global Shared Tree!! Thanks for the Shaker Pie Recipe via Discord... it is a keeper. :)

Bill Vincent Ph.D. participated with The Virginia Connectors during the 2021 Connect-a-Thon, and added 861 connections.

Mindy and & Sandy ~ Team Virginia

Save the Date: October 1st through 4th, Source-A-Thon (with amazing prizes!)

posted by Sandy (Craig) Patak
AND Bill and Luther are 5C3R. (granpa Hans Michael Gutknecht) Yay....
posted by Luther Brown
Hello Cousin Bill,

Bill Vincent Ph.D. and Sue (Bateman) Matthews are both descendants of George Dameron, behind my 2nd DDF Thomas Turpin Thomas.

posted by Sue (Bateman) Matthews
Thanks for your message, Sue. I have found a few DNA matches which appear to stem from the Dameron family, but naturally are difficult to prove considering the large genetic distance. The DNA of my great uncle Hack Lane (Gedmatch LN2716607) is two generations closer to our common ancestors, but still quite distant.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
edited by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Hey Bill, my family doesn't match to you on AncestryDNA (in 12 or tests on our side), but we probably match to many people that you do. Sometimes it seems like we're related to about half of the people whose ancestors ever lived in Hart Co KY. Our top lines there were Wright, Peebles, Wilson, Butler, and Hodges.

I'm slowly building up my WikiTree, but I have a large tree on Ancestry under username KevinMIreland.

posted by Kevin Ireland
Kevin, thanks for reaching out to me. Looking at your extensive tree on Ancestry I can honestly see no common ancestors between us. That doesn't mean there are none, but certainly none in Kentucky. Nonetheless, if you need any assistance with WikiTree, please let me know and I'll help if I can. Please remember to add good, primary sources to your WikiTree profiles, especially those which will be helpful to other researchers. I hope your experience on WikiTree is both rewarding and enlightening. - Bill
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
edited by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
I'm working through multiple stages in my WikiTree profiles:
  • First, enter the connections back from my family to existing profiles (some connections via GEDcom imports).
  • Second, add primary sources when available, otherwise secondary sources. Clean up biographies generated by GEDcom imports.
  • Third, add photos and additional biographical material provided as family lore (but specifying which is which).
  • Finally, request that my many DNA-tested family members create a WikiTree account and connect to their ancestral profiles that I set up.

I'm in the process of establishing three one-name studies: Ireland-surname (hard to do on WikiTree due to conflicting genealogy tags), McCool, and Sollenberger. I've been building these studies for years, but it's time to make them available to the community.

I agree that we don't have common ancestors, but I'd be surprised if we don't have matches in common. I'm currently working with more than 110 AncestryDNA tests and about 10 Y-DNA tests (from multiple lines).

posted by Kevin Ireland
edited by Kevin Ireland
Hi Bill,

We now have a large membership for Province of Carolina Team. As previously discussed in the leadership Team, I have split the Province of Carolina Team https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:US_Southern_Colonies_Province_of_Carolina_Team into the following :

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:US_Southern_Colonies_Province_of_North_Carolina_%281712-1776%29_Team

And

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:US_Southern_Colonies_Province_of_South_Carolina_%281712-1776%29_Team

Please reply to me with your answer of which team you want to work on (this may be multiples)

A) All three teams

B) This Province of Carolina Team https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:US_Southern_Colonies_Province_of_Carolina_Team

C) This Province of North Carolina Team https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:US_Southern_Colonies_Province_of_North_Carolina_%281712-1776%29_Team

D) this Province of South Carolina Team https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:US_Southern_Colonies_Province_of_South_Carolina_%281712-1776%29_Team

Of note there is A Quality Assurance subteam listed on the Province of Carolina Team page which you may be interested in also.

Be sure you fill in your strong points and interests next to your name on the Carolina team page

(I will continue as Team Leader of all three)

Mary ~ Team Leader

posted by Mary Richardson
Hi, Bill!

Thank you for your participation in October’s 2020 Source-a-thon. Your contributions helped us to clear over 57,000 profiles that needed sourcing. This makes our Shared Tree all that much better.

Keep up the great work!

Pippin Sheppard WikiTree’s Appreciation Team

PS: DNA relationship to Arlo Guthrie? That's pretty cool!

posted by Pip Sheppard
Thanks, Pip. We had a great weekend! Someone asked Mr. Guthrie to test because of his mother’s Jewish ancestry. Not sure if Arlo cares or not.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Thanks for correcting the lack of information for my great-grandmother Laura Bell Milburn-Cundiff. More information is better. I would rather provide total transparency than lack of transparency to those who are also researching.
posted by Janice (Cundiff) Neely
Hello, Bill!

Thanks for all the work you accomplished during our Connect-A-Thon 2020. It is amazing how many more profiles were created and added to our Shared Tree. You have every right to be pleased with your efforts!

Kind regards,

Pippin Sheppard ~ WikiTree’s Appreciation Team

posted by Pip Sheppard
Thanks, Pip. Every time I sign up for a Thon, I swear that I won't let it distract me or deprive me of sleep. And then... I get started and can't stop. I could have added more if I hadn't been so concerned about adding extra sources. When I have the additional sources at my fingertips, it's hard not to make the extra effort. I love the people in Team Virginia who are all so generous with their time.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Same here, Bill. I see five sources, I add five sources. I see ten, I add ten. And it took me two days to recover from the loss of sleep!
posted by Pip Sheppard
Hiya Bill,

I've been watching for your name on the 2020 Connect-a-Thon post. It just won't be the same without you!

Mindy

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posted by Mindy Silva
I forget that you are part of 'those' Musicks that moved to Kentucky. Not a bad thing, cuz 😊 Ironically, my husband's family is from Kentucky but you are related much further out: Bill and Len are 16th cousins once removed. It may actually be closer as he hasn't added all of his ancestors yet.
posted by Mindy Silva
I was active in the Musick Family Association a few years ago. I was surprised to find that Musick families from different branches had moved to Kentucky, at least for some time. There are two main branches there today, one from Edmonson County (my family) and the other from around Floyd and Johnson Counties.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Very cool! I say "those" Musicks as my Trusty and Musick lines were some of my first to discover. They have a special place in my heart. And - my mother-in-law always remembers that they had lines that came to Kentucky (even if she doesn't remember my other lines lol). Mine were all in Virginia. Their descendants were in North Carolina, Illinois and Iowa.
posted by Mindy Silva
I signed up. Not sure how available I will be, but I'll do what I can. I've never done the Connect-a-Thon before.

It's annoying to me that the Categories list is far below all of the comments on my profile. I have voiced that opinion before on G2G, but to deaf ears.

posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
edited by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Thanks Bill! It's just adding profiles to existing ones... so, children listed in the bio or on a census, etc. You know us, it will be fun.
posted by Mindy Silva
Twisted_Thistles.jpg

As a member of the Scotland Project, we'd love to have you join the Twisted Thistles in the upcoming Connect-a-thon the weekend of July 17 - July 20. If you'd like to join us and help to develop our ever-expanding Scottish tree, please register on the G2G post here and be sure to mention you'd like to be on the Twisted Thistles team for Scotland.

We also have our team Chat page posted here.

Hope to see you there!
Bobbie & Sarah
Twisted Thistles Co-captains
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Thank you, Bobbie. I will certainly consider your kind invitation.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Every now and then when I am up late until the wee hours of the morning I just troll through some of the more well known Wikitreers' profile pages and I just ran across yours as well. I think you have a beautiful profile page. As a native son of Kentucky, I just wanted to say you have made me so happy that I can look at another native son and be so proud to be from a state that is so rich in history such as our old Kentucky home.

John

posted by [Living Williams]
How kind of you to say so, John. You have a nice profile page as well. I see that we are distantly related several different ways, including through the Nathaniel Davis family. It's great that we have found common ancestors through WikiTree. Thanks for being one of my Kentucky cousins.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Greetings from your 7th cousin!
Nice to connect with you, Margaret.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Hi Bill,

As you may have seen, we have been doing some restructuring in the US Southern Colonies Project and are now organising ourselves into different teams. We have also changed the criteria for membership. Please have a look at the new project pages, and let me know whether you would like to remain in the project and, if so, which team(s) you would like to be in.

Please can you also send me your e-mail address. I can then make sure you are introduced to your Team Leaders and are in the Google Group.

Please note that it is a requirement for membership in the US Southern Colonies Project that you respond to these check-ins. We’re really excited for the future of the project and hope that you decide to be a part of it with us moving forwards.

Many thanks,

Susie, US Southern Colonies Project Co-Leader

posted by Susie MacLeod
Susie, please add me to the Colonial Maryland, Virginia, and Carolinas Teams. I'll send you a message containing my email address.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
edited by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Hi Bill!

Thanks so very much for your participation in the spring Clean-a-thon! Every suggestion you cleared (over 2000!) made our Tree that much better. The WikiTree community appreciates YOU!

Pip Sheppard WikiTree’s Appreciation Team

PS: I kept running into your corrections the whole weekend!

posted by Pip Sheppard
Thanks. I appreciate being appreciated. LOL. That was an epic weekend, Pip. Our team finished 3rd for the 2nd year in a row, which makes me quite proud and satisfied. Congratulations to the Super Sweepers who did well, also. I ended up 9th overall last year with just under 2070 points, and beat that considerably this year finishing 13th over all. I think the bad weather and the pandemic worked to keep people inside and focused. You and I were working on Gender suggestions at the same time, from different starting points. When I ran into your work, I knew we were of like minds. Most of my False Suggestions came from Gender and from Nicknames, both of which can be a little different in the South. LOL. Names also change with time. My grandfather's given name, Hillary, was strictly a man's name years ago, as was the given name Meredith.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Hello Bill,

My name is Sarah and I’m the Project Coordinator for the Scotland Project. As you may have heard, we have merged the Scottish Clans project into the Scotland Project. I am contacting you today to find out if you are interested in continuing with us under this new format. If you would like to go forward on the Scottish Clans Team, please reply and let me know which clans you have been working on or would like to work on. I look forward to hearing from you.

Best Regards,

Sarah Mason, Scotland PC

posted by Sarah Mason
Sarah, I am intermittently rather than continuously involved in the project. If it's no trouble, I would like to continue to be associate with the Scottish Clans Team as well as the Scotland Project. Thanks... Bill
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
I need to ask what was changed for columbus skaggs?
You don't need to ask. I recorded that it was "Cleanup after Merge". That implies that the profile contained duplicate items from the result of a merge, which needed to be consolidated or removed, as was the case.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
edited by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
Hi Bill

Thank you for confirming https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pickering-2819 appreciate that your message included link to the how to pages. If you would be interested in the greeter project just let the project lead know

Here is the link to the project https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Greeters

Pip and Mindy are both greeters while there are a number of us, new members are always welcome. Take a look, join us and have some fun

All the Best

Janet - Wikitree Greeter

posted by Janet (Langridge) Wild
Thanks for the invitation, Janet. I'll have to ask for a rain check at this time.
posted by Bill Vincent Ph.D.
lol Bill your DNA match list always astounds me! How wonderful it is. Unfortunately, you missed the sign up for the Thon. We would love to have you in an unofficial manner if you're interested, and can add you to the chat and page

Mindy

posted by Mindy Silva
Thank you, Bill, for every one of your more than one thousand contributions to our Shared Tree during the month of September. The Appreciation Team honors you for all of your efforts.

Pippin Sheppard

WikiTree’s Appreciation Team

posted by Pip Sheppard
Bill, thank you for each of your more than 1000 contributions to our Shared Tree for the month of August 2019. All of your work makes our Tree all that much better.

Pippin Sheppard

WikiTree’s Appreciation Team

posted by Pip Sheppard
Bill, your comments are well noted, and I agree. The problem arises with multiple spouses and perhaps children with each one - when it becomes an issue to deliniate when one marriage might have started and / or ended. And as long as there is a field to document the end of a marriage - for any reason, sometimes the date of a death will have to serve.
posted by Hans Hofmann
Hi Bill!

Thank you for your time and energy in creating over 1000 actually, over 1200!) contributions to WikiTree for the month of July 2019. Your efforts are appreciated!

Pip Sheppard

WikiTree Appreciation Team

PS: My wife remains a Kentuckian at heart, too! Mercer County.

posted by Pip Sheppard
Thank you so much for your help. This is so exciting to me. We have a family reunion every year and I always mean to try and research our history to give info to my relatives. We always say the reunion is for relatives of Jesse Bob and Hattie. We would love to have you and your family. I would love to invite everyone on these lists. You can never have too many family members!
posted by Sara (Duvall) Cummings
Hi, Bill!

Thank you so much for responding to our check-in. We are delighted that you wish to continue contributing to the Military and War Project. Below is a quick checklist for active members. The project leaders would like you to make sure you have done the following:

1) Checked the Project Page for ways to contribute.

2) Added MILITARY_AND_WAR to the tags you follow.

3) PMed the Project Coordinator with your email address to be added to the Google Group.

4) Bookmarked the Activity Feed to monitor the project watchlist.

Thank you!

Deb ~ Volunteer Coordinator

posted by Deb (Lewis) Durham
Hello, Bill!

Very well done on your making 1,000 or more contributions to WikiTree in June 2019! We commend and appreciate all of your time and effort in helping to grow and perfect our Shared Tree. Keep up the great work!

Pip Sheppard ~ WikiTree Appreciation Teams

PS: I think you have the most DNA connections I've ever seen on a profile!

posted by Pip Sheppard
Once again, thanks with helping on the Skaggs and Johns profiles and merges. You know as much about these families and relationships as anyone on this site. I always appreciate your suggestions.
posted by Matt Melcher

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