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Charles Vincent (1770 - 1853)

Charles Vincent
Born in Claverack, Albany County, NYmap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married about 1792 [location unknown]
Husband of — married about 1829 in Cortland Co., NYmap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 83 in Pomfret, Chautauqua County, NYmap
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Biography

In his History of Cortland County, 1885, H. P. Smith notes:[1]
The second saw-mill in the town was built by Judge Charles Vincent, on lot 78, and was run by him until 1844. It was a prominent mill in an early day and stood about half a mile below the other one. It changed hands a number of times and is now in ruins.

Note This Charles Vincent should not be confused with Charles J Vincent, who was active in the same area as Charles. Charles J, short for "Charles Jefferson," is generally referred to as "Jefferson" or "Charles J" in the record, no doubt to distinguish him from his father. By way of example, there is a land transaction on 11 Apr 1840 in Cortland Co. between Charles Vincent and Rhoda (his second wife) and Charles J. Vincent (his son).

Notes

Note NI005991800: Town of Minden, Montgomery County, NY 12010-00000-00.

Settled on Truxton Lot 78 in 1806.

built a sawmill on that Lot in 1807 run by him until 1844.

referred to as "Judge" Charles Vincent.

1810: Truxton, Cortland County, NY.

1820: Truxton, Cortland County, NY 030101- 20201-02.

1830: Truxton, Cortland County, NY 001010010- 00210010.

1840: Truxton, Cortland County, NY 0000000010-0000000010.

1850: Town of Pomfret, Chautauqua County, NY.

Christian Cemetery, Arkwright. 1

Lot 78 is now part of Cuyler Township.

Land Transactions

Charles Vincent was involved in many dubious land dealings with his father-in-law Henry Platner and his brother-in-law Anthony Maxwell. Here is just one example of Charles, at the age of 24 paying £3625 for 7250 acres of land. It seems like a lot of money and a lot of land for a young man of age 24 years. Indeed, it was, as later Chancery Court cases proved.

22 Sep 1794 blockbuster land deal:
Indenture: Henry Platner and wife, Eve, of Claverack, Columbia Co., NY, Gentleman, was paid £3625 by Charles Vincent for "all those certain tracts ... known and distiguished ... by"

16. Ovid
  Lot 40, 450 a. -> Guy Young, Capt. -> Zachariah S. Allen, 22 Aug 1791
11. Romulus
  Lot 28, 600 a. -> Jacob Roase -> Cornelius Roosa
  Lot 95, 500 a. -> Michael Decker -> Cornelius E. Elmendorph
18. Locke
  Lot 12, 500 a. -> John Jeremiah, dead -> Henry Platner, for John Hageman
  Lot 91, 500 a. -> John Sliter, dead -> Henry Platner, for Anthony Maxwell
  Lot 92, 500 a. -> Robert Atkins, dead -> Henry Platner
23. Dryden
  Lot 32, 500 a. -> John Smith, (5th regt.) -> Henry Platner, for Anthony Maxwell
27. Galen
  Lot 7, 500 a. -> Capt. Edward Lounsberry -> Michael Connolly
3. Cato
  Lot 90, 450 a. -> Alexander Richardson, dead -> Henry Platner,
  for Killian Hogeboom, adm'r
15. Fabius
  Lot 25, 500 a. -> John Craig, dead, 1st reg. -> Henry Platner,
  for John Hageman, adm'r
  Lot 56, 250 a. -> John Burnett (2) -> James Abeel
4. Brutus
  Lot 13, 450 a. -> James Dunlap, dead -> Henry Platner, for John Hageman, adm'r
  Lot 20, 600 a. -> Adam Keader -> William Campbell
21. Hector
  Lot 58, 450 a. -> John Cannon, dead -> Henry Platner, for Killian Hogeboom
  Lot 61, 500 a. -> John Parsons, dead -> Henry Platner, for Anthony Maxwell
22. Ulysees
  Lot 70, 500 a. -> Jonathan Nelson or Neilson -> Henry Platner,
  for Anthony Maxwell

containing in all 7250 acres.

From Troup vs Wood and Sherwood case:
Platner and Vincent were both of them, at the period of 1799, men of bad credit. The former has, however, considerably regained the forfeited esteem of his acquaintance; and the intrinsic probability and apparent candour of their story, is corroborated by facts derived from other and unquestionable sources.

Sources

  1. History of Cortland County by H. P. Smith Internet Archive Link to p. 391
  • Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/8043065/charles-vincent : accessed 08 February 2022), memorial page for Charles Vincent (1771–31 Oct 1853), Find a Grave Memorial ID 8043065, citing Christian Cemetery, Arkwright, Chautauqua County, New York, USA ; Maintained by Family Finder (contributor 46487761)




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First, I need to emphasize that I have no way of showing that this Elizabeth (Unknown) Stewart is in fact related to Charles Vincent. But you can see the adverts for yourself:

https://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

Search for: "Hiram Stewart" and "Truxton" ...in that syntax, and you will find twelve results. The first result is from Cortland, around 1831-1834, and it MAY give a clue to a different Hiram Stewart, which I will look into. THIS Hiram Stewart appears to be a politician in Cortland area.

But there are several other results which include the advert mentioned. Because they were localized to Cayuga County, I was distracted away from looking at the possibility of a different Hiram Stewart.

I should note that I am from the area, and as it just so happens yesterday I was in Truxton on a return trip from Syracuse. On the way OUT to Syracuse, along Route 80, I just happened to notice "Vincent Corners." We drove by a cemetery in Truxton on the return and so I looked up several Vincents. Now I shall look for Stewarts.

It is entirely possible that MY Hiram Stewart is of no relation whatsoever. After all, there is a Stewart Avenue in Auburn which was named differently in his day. Still, Hiram and Elizabeth both on more than one account claimed to have been from Saratoga County. What that means, I do not know.

Regarding the "Aunt" and "Uncle," I can only assume that this was from the Paul family. I have to do more research to trace it down but you can find them on Find A Grave. If I have a chance, I will try to visit (I tried to convince my wife to let me look yesterday but we were short on time) and get a better idea of the proximity of the Paul gravestones to the Stewarts.

Whether it is false memory, or possibly coincidence, or possibly a lead... as I looked more into the Vincent families, I had seen names which appeared familiar to me, names that I had run across while searching for more information about my 3rd great grandfather. But that is very unreliable.

I only wanted to bring this to your attention in case it was of any interest for your own purposes. But I am very glad to see this Mr. Vincent on WikiTree, as it helps further my interest in local history (I have connections to Cortland and Auburn myself, and to the Palatine region of New York as well).

Thanks, and I hope this is of some interest to you.

Matt

posted by Matthew Thompson
Matt, thank you for your response and the link to the advertisement for the tincture. I found the ads. It is a virtual certainty that the Chas Vincent, Esq. of Truxton in the ads is this Charles Vincent. The question would be: is the Hiram Vincent in the ads your Hiram Vincent. He is the right age, but there's no way to be certain without some additional evidence, circumstantial or otherwise. I'll keep my eye out for something that would connect a Hiram Vincent to this family. We do now know that this Charles Vincent had a son-in-law named Hiram Vincent. Unfortunately we are not given the name of Charles's daughter who married him.

Thank you again, Dave

posted by David (E) Ebel
Matt,

I found the correct Hiram Stuart (he spells it Stuart rather than Stewart). He did indeed marry the daughter of this Charles Vincent. Her name is Anna Maria Vincent Stuart. Here is her findagrave link:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/62529273/anna-maria-stuart

She was born in 1801 and died in Ohio in 1857.

So, unfortnately, this is not "your" Hiram Stewart. Thank you for pointing out the advertisement -- that now establishes a new, previously unknown (to me) daughter of Charles. Regards, Dave

posted by David (E) Ebel
Glad it helped! I did find a couple instances of "my" Stewarts being spelled "Stuart," naturally. I think the fact that I found this in the Auburn newsletter is more about the availability of sources than anything else, so purely coincidence. I think it does help me avoid another wild goose chase though!
posted by Matthew Thompson
Very interesting indeed.

I am chasing down one Elizabeth Stewart, husband of Hiram Stewart; both supposedly born in Saratoga County. In 1860 and 1865, my 3rd great grandfather lived with them both in Sennett, Cayuga County.

Looking for Hiram Stewart, I kept finding ads for some tincture, where "Charles Vincent, Esq." of Truxton, Cortland County, supposedly claimed that his daughter, the wife of Hiram Stewart, was miraculously cured. This advert was repeatedly published in Auburn newspapers around 1834; both Hiram and Elizabeth lived in Sennett (just outside of Auburn, Cayuga County) since at least 1830. They are both buried in Weedsport, where my 3rd great grandfather lived prior to him finally moving to Candor, Tioga County. I didn't think anything of it until I finally decided to look at Charles Vincent.

If Charles Vincent, Esq. really is the same, and really is the father of Elizabeth (Unknown) Stewart, I would be VERY interested in knowing. Erastus Ward Hanes, my third great grandfather, doesn't seem to be related at first. But then when you look at his census records, he was supposedly born in various different counties... including Madison, Otsego, and others, all of which were well established by 1840 when he was born.

I need to see more of this family and find out if there's any possibility of Elizabeth Stewart being a Vincent.

posted by Matthew Thompson
Yes, very interesting indeed. This Charles Vincent is certainly the only candidate from Truxton to be the man you describe (from the advertisement for the tincture). According to H.P. Smith's "History of Cortland County," Charles Vincent was a judge, so he may have styled himself "Esquire," although I have never seen it writing before this. Because of all the fraudulent land dealings of his father-in-law, Henry Platner, I have spent a lot of time on Charles. Charles's father Abraham moved the family from Claverack to Canajoharie in 1795, but Charles was already married to "Polly" Platner at that time, so he waited for a few years before joining up with his family in Minden by 1800 and then Truxton by 1810. You can find both Abraham Vincent and Heinrich Platner in the 1790 census for Claverack. The list of children for Charles and Polly that I know about are: John Jackson, b. 9 Feb 1792 (this one is somewhat questionable); Catherine, b. abt 1797; Henry, b. 21 Nov 1799; Madison, b. abt 1808; Jefferson (Charles J.), b. btw 1805-1812; Cornelius, b. 14 Mar 1807; Eva Ann, b. 22 May 1817; Sallie; Franklin, d.y.; Emelia, d.y. I haven't seen an Elizabeth, but she may well have existed as the census data below shows.

In 1800, Charles was in Minden with 1 M < 10; 2 M 10-15; 1 M 26-45; 2 F < 10; 1 F 16-25; 1 F 26-45.

In 1810, Charles was in Truxton, but the 1810 census for Truxton is lost, so he does not appear that year.

In 1820, he was in Truxton with 3 M 10-16; 1 M 16-26 1 M >45; 2 F <10; 2 F 16-26; 1 F >45.

In 1830, he was in Truxton with 1 M 10-15; 1 M 20-30; 1 M 50-60; 2 F 10-15; 1 F 15-20; 1 F 40-50.

In the 1835 NY state census, all the children are gone and it is just Charles and his second wife, Rhoda.

If you have a copy of the advertisement about the tincture, I'd be very interested in seeing it. Can you post it to Hiram's or Charles's profile or send it to me offline?

One other thing: I see that Hiram's and Elizabeth's tombstones say "Uncle" and "Aunt" on top of them. Do you know identities of the nephews and/or nieces who are presumably buried nearby? I presume that you have no idea how Erastus Ward Hanes is connected to them.

Yet one other thing: Charles's brother Isaac had a son Samuel Charles Vincent who married one Emily Stone Stewart. Emily's line of descent can be provably traced to the immigrant Robert Stewart of Norwalk, CT. Emily's family moved to Catherine, Chemung Co., when she was four. She and Samuel Charles were married there and then appeared in Schuyler Co. in 1850 before moving to Minnesota. While I don't see anything that would suggest the Hiram is connected to these Stewarts, it may be worth checking.

posted by David (E) Ebel

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