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Roger Vivian (bef. 1594 - abt. 1653)

Roger Vivian
Born before in Meneage, Cornwall, Englandmap
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Husband of — married 26 Oct 1623 in Camborne, Cornwall, Englandmap
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Died about after about age 58 in Aleppo, Ḩalab, Syriamap [uncertain]
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Roger Vivian was born in Camborne, Cornwall, England.

Roger Vivian was baptized on 2 Jun 1594 at Mawgan in Meneage, Cornwall, England, the son of Haniball Vivian and Phillip Tremayne.[1] On 26 Oct 1623 at Camborne, Cornwall, he married Ellen Bennett, the daughter of William Bennett and Ann Archer.[2] From The Visitations of Cornwall[3]:

Roger Vivian of Camborne, 6 son of Haniball Vivian of Trelowarren, bap. 1594 at Mawgan in Meneage, named in the wills of his father and brother Sir Francis, a merchant and one of the King’s Tin Farmers for Cornwall, committed to Crosby Hall and Colchester Prisons for refusing to pay over the King’s money to Parliament, through which he became reduced in his estate, was employed abroad by the Levant Company, and d. at Aleppo in Syria; he is alluded to in the will of his sister in law Frances Vivian. Admon. Granted 22 Ap. 1653 to his brother Haniball, and “de bonis non” 22 ap. 1657 to his nephew Sir Richard Vivian, Kt. on behalf of the family, Act Book, P.C.C.
==Ellen, da of William Bennett, mar. 25 Oct. 1623 at Camborne

The pedigree for Roger and Ellen in The Visitations of Cornwall lists 6 children:

  • Honor, bap. 30 May 1624[4]
  • John, bap. 10 Sep 1626[5]
  • Margery, bap. 8 Feb 1629[6]
  • William, bap. 28 Feb 1632[7]
  • Roger, bap. 25 Apr 1635[8] (Baptismal record is for Marke, son of Roger, but date agrees with Visitations)
  • Francis, bap. 15 Jan 1641[9]

Roger Vivian is believed to have died on 22 Apr 1653 in Aleppo, Halab, Syrian Arab Republic.

Letter from College of Arms to John DeLucy

5 May 2018:
Dear John,
Thank you for your last e-mail. I am sorry for the delay in writing back to you.
We have now had an opportunity to examine the pedigree records of the College of Arms and can report as follows:
A pedigree recorded here in 1894 includes Hannibal and Philippa Vyvian, and lists, alongside ‘other issue’, John Vyvian and his wife Ellen Vyvian (née Bennett) as their son and daughter (Coll. Arms Norfolk 16/112). This pedigree is cross-referenced to an earlier one recorded at the Heralds’ Visitation of Devon and Cornwall in 1620 (Coll. Arms C1/336b). The information recorded about each individual is the same as that on the pedigree you sent; the sole difference is, of course, the first name of Hannibal Vyvian’s son. However, a manuscript addition in pencil has been made, with the annotator circling ‘John’ and writing instead ‘Roger’, and noting a reference to another pedigree, recorded sometime in the 1950s, which is headed by Roger Vivian and Ellen Bennett (Coll. Arms Norfolk 40/87). There is also external evidence which supports this connection, as the will of Hannibal Vivian names a Roger as one of the sons of Hannibal Vivian (Public Record Office Prob. 11/116).
Yours Sincerely,
John Petrie MSc
Rouge Croix Pursuivant
College of Arms
130 Queen Victoria Street
London EC4V 4BT[10]

Sources

  1. Baptism: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975", database, (FamilySearch Record: JQGV-D93 : 10 April 2021), Rogger Vivian, 1594. Name ROGGER VIVIAN; Sex MALE; Father’s Name HANIBALL VIVIAN; Event Type CHRISTENING; Event Date 2 Jun 1594; Event Place ST MARTIN IN MENEAGE, CORNWALL, ENGLAND; Event Place Original MAWGAN IN MENEAGE, CORNWALL, ENGLAND
  2. Marriage: Cornwall OPC Marriages Database. Day Month 26-OCT; Year 1623; Parish Circuit or Chapel CAMBORNE; Groom Fn ROGER; Groom Sn VIVIAN; Bride Fn ELLEN; Bride Sn BENNETT; Transcriber Notes SRC: TAPLEY-SOPER TRANSCRIPT https://cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/marriages/
  3. Visitations: The Visitations of Cornwall comprising The Heralds’ Visitations of 1530, 1573, & 1620, with additions by Lieutenant-Colonel J. L. Vivian. Exeter: William Pollard & Co., North Street, 1887, page 542. https://ukga.org/browse.php?action=ViewRec&DB=13&bookID=232&pagecount=545&submit=Go
  4. Baptism: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
    citing Digital film/folder number: 4; FHL microfilm: 1471743
    FamilySearch Record: NG9V-T4M (accessed 23 October 2023)
    Honor Vivian baptism on 30 May 1624, daughter of Roger Vivian, in Camborne, Cornwall, England.
  5. Baptism: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
    citing Digital film/folder number: 4; FHL microfilm: 1471743
    FamilySearch Record: JMHG-781 (accessed 23 October 2023)
    John Vivian baptism on 10 Sep 1626, son of Roger Vivian, in Camborne, Cornwall, England.
  6. Baptism: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
    citing Digital film/folder number: 4; FHL microfilm: 1471743
    FamilySearch Record: NYVH-XXG (accessed 23 October 2023)
    Margery Vivean baptism on 8 Feb 1629, daughter of Roger Vivean, in Camborne, Cornwall, England.
  7. Baptism: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
    citing Digital film/folder number: 4; FHL microfilm: 1471743
    FamilySearch Record: NYVH-DZ9 (accessed 23 October 2023)
    William Vivian baptism on 28 Feb 1632, son of Roger Vivian, in Camborne, Cornwall, England.
  8. Baptism: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
    citing Digital film/folder number: 4; FHL microfilm: 1471743
    FamilySearch Record: JWWP-CVM (accessed 23 October 2023)
    Marke Vivian baptism on 25 Apr 1635, son of Roger Vivian, in Camborne, Cornwall, England.
  9. Baptism: "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
    citing Digital film/folder number: 4; FHL microfilm: 1471743
    FamilySearch Record: JQGP-C3G (accessed 23 October 2023)
    Francis Vivian baptism on 15 Jan 1641, son of Roger Vivian, in Camborne, Cornwall, England.
  10. Stephen Mosier, personal communication with John DeLucy




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Concerning the possibility that Roger Vivian, who married Ellen Bennett, is the son of a John Vivian rather than Hannibal Vivian, I consulted years ago (before her death) with the legendary Cornish genealogist Susan Old, who was also an Online Parish Clerk, and we concluded that, although the Visitations of Cornwall are sometimes wrong, in this case they were correct in Roger Vivian being the husband of Ellen Bennett and the son of Hannibal Vivian. Then, the issue of Roger possibly being the son of a John Vivian came up several years ago and my cousin John DeLucy, another Vivian descendant in the UK, contacted the College of Arms, and they concluded that Roger was indeed the son of Hannibal.
posted by Stephen Mosier
Below are some notes from another researcher, Colin Paul. There is definitely some room for discussion on these two Roger Vivian's.

Roger Vivian who married Ellen Bennett was a yeoman of Camborne, they had 8 children all baptised in Camborne. The records below convinced me that Roger Vivian, the husband of Ellen Bennett was the son of John and Elinor Vivian of Camborne and not Haniball Vyvyan of Trelowarren.

Pendarves. Family of Pendarves Cornwall Record Office Ref. no. PD/7/4:

Inquisition, Tolgarrick, Camborne 5th Aug. 1605 Manuscript 1 Piece Held after the death of Margaret, late wife of John Vyvyan (Vivian) deceased.

Cornwall Record Office Ref. No. PD/7/5:

Pendarves family of Pendarves, Camborne. Deed, Tolgarrick, Camborne. 10th May 1623 Parties 1) Roger Vivian, yeoman of Camborne and Elinor Vivian, widow, late the wife of John Vivian of Camborne and mother of the said Roger Vivian. 2) Alexander Thomas alias Pendarves, gentleman of Camborne.* Consideration: £80 Messuages, lands and tenements commonly called and known by the name of Tolgarracke (Tolgarrrick) in Camborne. Witnessed by John Arundell, Peter Tom? Richard Pendarves, Laurence Call, Thomas Eva and Henry Caunter.

  • (Compiler's note): Alexander Thomas alias Pendarves, gentleman was brother of Roger Vivian's grandmother Elizabeth Pendarves.

Corwall Record Office Ref. No. PD/7/7:

Pendarves family of Pendarves, Camborne Deeds, Tolgarrick, Camborne Final concord, Tolgarrick, Camborne Octave of the purification 1629 Parties: 1) Richard Pendarves, gentleman and Richard Veale , clerk, Querent 2) Roger Vivian, deforciant. Consideration: £60 sterling. Three messuages, three gardens, 26 acres of land, 10 acres of downs and heath, 6 acres of moor and common pasture in Tolgarrick, Penzance, Camborne and Illogan.

Tolgarrick Farm was held by the Vivian family for over 250 years. Francis Vivian, Agent to the foundry at Tuckingmill was living there on the 1841, 1851 and 1861 Census for Camborne.

In March 1642 at Camborne Roger Vivian signed The Oath of Protestation ( Oath of loyalty, ostensibly to the King, but in fact to Parliament, initiated in the House of Commons in May 1641.) His brother Henry Vivian also signed at the same time. The other convincing point is Haniball Vyvyan of Trelowarren never had a son named Henry.

posted by Darren Pine
What's the evidence that he died in Saudi Arabia? Very interesting for a 17th century Englishman!
posted by Jillaine Smith
This Roger died in Aleppo, Syria. He worked for the Levant Company, according to the Cornwall Visitations.
posted by Darren Pine

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