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The first name of the wife of Pieter Borsboom has only been positively identified from a court case that took place on 04 Oct 1681.
Richard Pretty, the sheriff, complains that Grietje and her son resisted search and committed violence upon him in his lawful duties. The sheriff suspected they were illegally dealing in beaver pelts, which he thought they were hiding on their persons. He accused them of grabbing his throat and collar and yelling obscenities. The court heard from witnesses and agreed to fine Grietje with an admonition against further resistance to lawful commands.
This remains the only known record from Grietje's life. All else is inferred by her roles as wife and mother.
Is is suspected that her patronymic was Barents based on the following entry from the Van Rensselaer Bowier Manuscript:
There are at least 3 Pieter Jacobsz indexed in Janny Venema's book, Beverwijck. If one assumes that the above entry did describe the wife of Pieter Borsboom, that she was the daughter of "Barent von Rottmers" appears to be based simply on the patronymic.
Looking for actual residents of Ft. Orange who might be the Gijsje and Pieter referenced in 1640, two records were found by an unidentified poster on an Ancestry message board:
It is also widely repeated that Pieter Jacobsz Borsboom had come to Fort Orange by 1639, per Pearson[5]. Pearson cites no evidence, but we may assume it is based on the same 1640 record above, again assuming that the Pieter Jacobsz referenced in 1640 is Pieter Jacobsz Borsboom, which he could not have been. The first actual evidence Pearson cites for Pieter Jacobsz Borsboom in Albany is dated 1657.
The entire Van Rotmers speculation seems reducible to confusion caused by twice assuming too much from common patronymics - Grietje Berents and Pieter Jacobsz.
Their daughter Anna (via her husband Jan Pieterse Mebee) received an extraordinary deed of gift[6] from the Mohawk Indians. The language of the deed is clear; the gift was "in Consideration of ye said Jan Pieters wife (Anna), by reason that she is something Related to ye family of the Christian Castle". This would imply that Grietje was to some degree a Mohawk woman of some means, and that the deed of gift was in accord with the matrilineal rights to certain lands which descended to oldest daughter Anna through her mother's lineage.
There are two possibilities for Mohawk ancestry, that Grietje was full Mohawk, or the descendant of a mixed marriage earlier at Fort Orange. Full Mohawk might be possible because marriages between Dutch men and Indian women were considered reputable and of no disgrace to either party (at least in the society if not in the Church). Then It is possible that Grietje chose or was given her 'Dutch name' to honor Pieter's paternal grandmother.
If Grietje were daughter of a Dutch man and Mohawk woman, perhaps the following speculation would explain it. "Grietje could be daughter of Cornelis Anthonisz van Slyck (1603 to bef. 3 Nov. 1676) and unknown Mohawk woman (NOT Ots-Toch). Grietje would be sister to Jacques Cornelis van Slyck (died Jun. 1690), who also has daughter Grietje. Pieter Jacobse Borsboom's and Grietje’s only son is “Cornelis”."[7]. Pieter Jacobsz and Jacques Cornelis were both among the 15 original patent holders of Schenectady, and likely knew each other well. Note, no daughter Grietje is documented for Cornelis Anthonisz, but the possibility of other children is sometimes implied in references to his recorded children.
A further connection between Grietie Borsboom and the Mohawk might be found in a 1670 land patent to her husband Pieter jacobsz: On the 9th Nov., 1670, Pieter Jacobse Bosboom received a patent " to "confirm to him a small island belonging to him, which hath heretofore been " given to him by the Indians, lying in the river there next to the island of " Sweer Teunise and Akes Cornelise [Van Slyck] containing about six acres or three morgens." The Van Slyck family also claimed Varken Island, a claim confirmed in 1694 by Rode, the Mohawk sachem[8].
When Pieter wrote his will in 1684, he did not mention his wife[9].
Perhaps of note, no well-regarded history of Schenectady assigns Grietje a specific ancestry.
On 10 May 2021, Barry Smith detached the profiles that had been attached Grietje's parents, Barent von Rotmers and Geesje Unknown, per a comment on her profile and a G2G post, having received no objection. See also the case against these parents presented on a freespace page.
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edited by Weldon Smith
So I'm raising the issue again. Further details are on a Freespace page my father put together:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Should_Grietje_Borsboom%27s_LNAB_be_changed_to_uinknown#No_Evidence_Supporting_a_von_Rotmer_child_named_Grietje
edited by Barry Smith
Wikitree prohibits data, even uncertain data, without a source: "Never enter information on WikiTree, even uncertain information, without including your source. Why do you think it might be true?"
Thanks.
"Wikitree prohibits data, even uncertain data, without a source. Never enter information on WikiTree, even uncertain information, without including your source. Why do you think it might be true?"
Always verify your source specification to ensure it contains the promised information. Thanks.
Pieter Jacobsz Borsboom has a recorded wife "Grietje" in 1681, with no other identification or record. The only valid hypothesis of Grietje's ancestry is the one that admits there is, as yet, no further origin evidence.
To clarify the status of Grietje's research (as I understand it), I have created a discussion on Freespace for any interested: [[1]]
The descendant tree would make much more sense instead if she were the daughter of thier son, Barent Van_Rottmer-2, who was born 1610.