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Eleanor (Wake) Seyton (1277)

Eleanor Seyton formerly Wake
Born in Winterbourne Stoke, Amesbury, Wiltshire, Englandmap
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Biography

Eleanor was the daughter of Baldwin Wake, probably by Hawise de Quincy if she was born in the 1270s, Hawise having married Baldwin ca 1268 and outlived him. [1]

“In 1285, (14 Ed. I.) Sir John Seyton, Knt. son of Sir Richard, having, as is presumed, survived both his father and mother, contested with Anthony de Beke, Bishop of Durham, the possession of part of his mother’s inheritance. He married Eleanor, daughter of Baldwin Wake, and had a son, Sir Nicholas; who, by Susan his wife, daughter of Sir John Verdon, Knt. had four sons and fourteen daughters. Either this Nicholas had another wife besides Susan, or it might be another Nicholas de Seyton (whose names are not insered in the Pedigree by Bridges), who in 1310 (4 Ed. II.), together with Joane his wife, passed a fine with John Pecche of the Manor of Eselberwe, which was then granted to Nicholas and Joane, and the heirs of their bodies. Of the death of Nicholas and Joane no account has been discovered; but according to Bridges, Sir John Seyton, eldest son and heir of Sir Nicholas, had two wives, —Bridget, daughter of Lord Basset, and Joane, daughter of … Rayner, by the first of whom, only, he had issue.” [2]

“Sir John Seyton of Seyton, Kt., son and heir to Sir Richard, mar. Elianor, da. of Baldwin Wake,and had issue, — Nicholas, his eldest son; Ermysipp; Ann; Lucy; Jone.” [3]

Sources

  1. George Seton. A History of the family of Seton during eight centuries, Vol. II, privately printed, Edinburgh, 1896, pedigree p. 755, Internet Archive
  2. George Lipscomb. The History and Antiquities of the County of Buckingham, Volume II, 1847, p. 177, Internet Archive
  3. Walter C Metcalfe. The Visitations of Northamptonshire Made in 1564 and 1618-19: With Northamptonshire Pedigrees from various Harleian MSS, Mitchell and Hughes, 1887, p. 45, Internet Archive




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I have detached Eleanor from her previously shown parents and added a research note
posted by Michael Cayley
Hi, Michael, I've added a couple of sources and will look for more. I think she deserves to be reattached. An absence in Richardson (who focuses on ancestors of American immigrants) does not negate her presence in other records. Richardson does not attempt to list every sibling or cousin of ancestors of his American gateways., that would make an already ambitious project simply unmanageable. Cawley is not well thought of as a source (at least not in soc.genealogy.medieval) so I would not place too much faith there, especially if it is simply an absence.

On the other hand, if there are any alternative theories of who Eleanor is, they can be added under research notes.

Thanks, Monica. I managed to track down the citationson the web, and have added weblinks and corrected a page number - it is always helpful to others to include weblinks wherever you can.

All three sources are to be treated with a degree of caution. The first source is an unsourced pedigree chart in an 1896 privately printed family history produced by a family descendant - not in itself a reliable source. The Lipscomb work is an 1846 one: it relies heavily on old and not aways accurate works. Visitation evidence for someone who lived centuries before the Visitation always has some uncertainty. But there is probably enough to add Baldwin back as probable father. I hope to see to that tomorrow, and do some revision of Baldwin Wake's profile. If you can find stronger evidence, that would be good.

posted by Michael Cayley
Now done. I have amended both her probably parents' profiles :-)
posted by Michael Cayley

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