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John (Wallace) Wallace Vth of Craigie (bef. 1413 - bef. 1450)

Sir Lt-Gen John "10th of Riccarton" Wallace Vth of Craigie formerly Wallace
Born before in Craigie, Ayrshire, Scotlandmap
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died before at about age 37 in Craigie, Ayrshire, Scotlandmap [uncertain]
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Preceded by
William Wallace
5th of Craigie
aft. 1419 - 1450
Succeeded by
William Wallace

Biography

John (Wallace) Wallace Vth of Craigie is a member of Clan Wallace.
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John (Wallace) Wallace Vth of Craigie was born in Scotland.

John was the son of William Wallace and Elizabeth Douglas.[1][2]

He married Elizabeth Cathcart..[3]

He married Catherine Douglas.[4] They had issue:

  1. William[3][5][6]
  2. Thomas[5]

John was Lieutenant-General to James II, and fought valiantly at the Battle of Sark on 23 October 1448, leading the left wing. He was wounded and never recovered succuming 15 months later at Craigie Castle.[3]

Research Notes

  • RBS names Margaret, daughter of Sir Henry Douglas of Lugton and Lochleven as the sole wife.[1]
  • RBS gives the name of the second son as George not Thomas.[6]
  • He was made Baillie of Kyle on 5 Jun 1434 and one would expect that he was at least of full age and not just 14 and, therefore, born prior to 5 Jun 1413.
  • The "Battle of Sark" occured on 23 Oct 1448. "The Book of Wallace" dates the Battle of Sark as 1449 and claimnig his death was three months later. This is obviously in error. He had executed a a legal instrument to return lands to the monks of Paisley on 29 Jan 1450 and he was dead by Whitsunday (12 Apr 1450), so his death was within this ten week window.
  • "Sir William Wallace" dates the Battle of Sark in 1547 but also claims he died after three months from the battle.[3]
  • Rodger gives his father as 'Alan' who was either the brother of his grandfather.
  • Rodger places Adam and Hew as sons of John rather than brothers and fails to mention Thomas.[3]
  • That there was a marriage between John Wallace of Craigie and a Catharine Douglas is not so much in doubt as is the question of whether that Catharine was the same as the subject of this profile . The attached source states that she was 'the daughter to the Earl of Angus, now Duke of Douglass' but there is no evidence that any Earl of Angus had a daughter Catherine - at least not in this timeframe. That John's grandfather had married Catherine's aunt, Margaret, tends to add confidence to this alleged marriage by showing that there were familial ties in place as first cousins once removed.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 MacGregor, Gordon, The Red Book of Scotland, Scotland, private, 2022, Ed. 3, Vol. IX, p. 965
  2. Rogers, Charles, "The Book of Wallace", Edinburgh: McFarlane & Erskine, 1889, Vol. I, Archive.org, p, 35
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 Rodger, Robert, "Documents Illustrative of Sir WIlliam Wallace, his LIfe and Times", Irvine: private, 1841, Archive.org, p. xliiv
  4. Rodger, Robert, "Documents Illustrative of Sir WIlliam Wallace, his LIfe and Times", Irvine: private, 1841, Archive.org, p. xlv
  5. 5.0 5.1 Rogers, Charles, "The Book of Wallace", Edinburgh: McFarlane & Erskine, 1889, Vol. I, Archive.org, p, 37
  6. 6.0 6.1 MacGregor, Gordon, The Red Book of Scotland, Scotland, private, 2022, Ed. 3, Vol. IX, p. 966

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Can the father son relationship be marked as Confirmed by someone with pre-1500 creds or is the current data not enough to do so? Going to ask the same about his father...

Thanks! Becky

To clarify- I'm curious about William VIth to John Vth and then John to William IVth. I read the notes on William IVth but maybe some things have changed since merges have been going on lately :)

posted by Becky Simmons
edited by Becky Simmons
The only profile owner with pre-1500 is Thom.
posted by Bill Catambay
edited by Bill Catambay
I see RBS agrees on the father and that relationship is now marked confident. It does not list the mother, nor the first wife. It also lists the other wife as Margaret daughter of Henry Douglas and although it does list a son William but the second son is named George rather than Thomas.
posted by [Living Anderson]
Are you asking about 'Confirmed' or 'Confident? With no mention of DNA, I assume the latter. The Book of Wallace is probably the best resource RE this line but tends to conflict with the Robert Rodger work. Even though the former is better sourced than the latter, the number of conflicts has made me a bit less than confident regarding this family without doing an intensive review.

I do have a copy of the Red Book of Scotland, which does cover Wallace of Craigie, and can give it a look. If there is a particular primary source that you feel substantiates the parents, feel free to point them out.

posted by [Living Anderson]
Wallace-926 and Wallace-928 appear to represent the same person because: The Rodger source has quite a number of errors including dividing John Wallace into two individuals one the ancestor of the other. This profile is a duplicate of Wallace-928 and hence the merge request
posted on Wallace-928 (merged) by [Living Anderson]
Wallace-7444 and Wallace-928 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicate
posted on Wallace-928 (merged) by [Living Anderson]
John Wallace was Lieutenant-General to James II, and fought at the Battle of Sark in 1447, killing the English General Magnus with his own hands. John was injured on the battlefield and died of his wounds at Craigie Castle about three months later.
posted on Wallace-928 (merged) by Dave Patrick

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