Fred Walter

Frederic Walter (aft. 1822 - 1902)

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Frederic (Fred) "Fritz" Walter
Born after in Francemap
Ancestors ancestors
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 1 Apr 1854 in St Louis, Missourimap
Descendants descendants
Died in Saint Louis, Missourimap
Profile last modified 14 Aug 2019 | Created 10 Dec 2016 | Last significant change: 14 Aug 2019
14:20: Laura (Pennie) Bozzay posted a message on the page for Frederic Walter (aft.1822-1902). [Thank Laura for this]
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Biography

Fred Walter has French origins.

Week 5: 52 Weeks 52 Ancestors https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/549989/52-ancestors-week-5-in-the-census My Great Great Grandfather Fred Walter the Candy Maker.

He descended from the Glass and Crystal making Walter family coming to the USA in 1849 on the Argo. On this manifest he is listed as age 26 from France. So, 1846-26 =birth of 1823

In 1850 census there is in Brooklyn an F Walter Confectioner. Age 26 listed in the July 29th Census. 1850-26= 1824 (Note many of the descendants of glass and crystal makers in this time period seemed to transition into candy making. which used the same tools as glass making, was a heat / chemical process. Ribbon candy and ribbon glass are made the same way with candy using sugar and glass sand, candy using flavors, glass potash, candy using food color and glass using minerals for coloring.)

WALTER FREDERICK 37 M W FRAN MO ST LOUIS 4-WD ST LOUIS 1860 Census So 1860 - 37 = 1823 if his birthday is after the census date, then 1822 Note this is the second record that specifies place of birth as France.

1870 census is a mystery. This census has a Fred from HesseDarmstadt who is a Candy Manufacturer but they have a Louise age 46 keeping house... where is Eva? Eva was from Hesse Darmstadt... was her name Eva Louise? Very weird.. someone got this messed up... The children seem to be correct and there are Schaeffers living with them as servants... He is listed on the 1880 US Census with a birthplace of Elsas which I believe is the German version of Alsace. He is 56 so, 1880-56 = 1824 However Germany would be after 1871 until 1919 but not at time of birth that would be France. So the Census is reflecting not the correct country for time of birth but rather the current name at the time of the census.

His obituary said he was 76 years old when he died Feb 25, 1902. So, 1902-76 = 1826 but the official deal record has him dying at 77, 5 months and 25 days. So, 2/25/1902 - 25 days is Jan 31 1902 - 5 months is Sept 1901- 77 years is 1824

1900 census is a mess I think they have Fred listed as Herbert! Eve is there as herself. The address of 933 Morrison is correct (Winter was changed to Morrison and it is the same residence) If this is correct it has his birth as Aug 1821! Sigh... They are married 46 years so 1854 which matches the record I found It also says he came here in 1850 not 49 as I have on the Argo. That he has been here 50 years and is naturalized. I have a hard copy of his naturalization paper and it has no real info on it... useless... Adding to this confusion is the fact there were at least 2 or 3 other Fred Walter men living in the same location coming from either France or Germany in these census records. So to make sure we have the correct one we need to make sure Eva is also listed. They married in 1854

Burial lot 1777 Bellfountaine Cemetery St Louis, MO: Last Name First Name Lot Number Burial Date UNKNOWN BURIAL 1777 LIMBURGER CAROLINE 1777 2/25/1868 FAHLEN CAROLINE W. 1777 8/23/1932 WALTER DOROTHY 1777 1/11/1927 WALTER EVA 1777 10/15/1905 WALTER FREDERICK 1777 3/9/1902 WALTER FRITZ 1777 11/13/1890 WALTER IRWIN G. 1777 12/8/1898 WALTER JEANETTE 1777 9/20/1909 WALTER JOSEPH 1777 3/10/1916 WALTER JOSEPH 1777 2/9/1897 FAHLEN JULIUS 1777 8/12/1900 WALTERS LILIA 1777 8/25/1869

Sources

  • St Louis Post Dispatch, US census records (exeprts by date in link in bio section above 1850-1900), family documents, official death record St Louis, MO from St Louis County Library Microfilm roll for St Louis City 1902, Argo manifest March 6, 1849. Obituary from St Louis Post Dispatch February 26, 1902.


  • Booklet written by his nephew AJ Walter. Laura Bozzay has a copy of the booklet in her library and intends to scan it and post it to free space page sometime in 2018.


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Fred's Candy Company Ad he bought in a St Louis Business Directory
Fred's Candy Company Ad he bought in a St Louis Business Directory

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On 14 Aug 2019 at 14:20 GMT Laura (Pennie) Bozzay wrote:

Please note that when Fred was born Alsace and Lorraine belonged to France. In 1871 to 1919 it was German then returned to France in 1919. Then during WWII Germany took it back but after WWII it was returned in 1945 to France and remains French today.




Fred is 27 degrees from Michael Cayley, 37 degrees from Rick Rescorla and 23 degrees from Henry VIII of England on our single family tree. Login to find your connection.

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