Margaret (Warenne) Mainwaring (abt. 1401 - 1452)

Born about 1401 in Ightfield, Shropshire, England [uncertain]

Ancestors

Wife of William Mainwaring — married [date unknown] in Ightfield, Shropshire, England

Descendants

Died 1452 at about age 51 in Over Paeover, Cheshire, England

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Biography

Name

Margaret Warren^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]}

Parents

Her father was Griffen Warren, Esq. b. c 1378 ^{[2][3][7][5][6][7][8][9]}

Her mother was Isabel Warmingham ^[6] b. c 1382

Birth

In the Inquisition post mortem of Griffin Wareyn in 1415^[10] his heir was his sister, Margaret age 13, daughter of John Wareyn. Griffin had held the manor of Ightfield, Shropshire.

Griffin Wareyn aged 13 had been noted as the son and heir of John Wareyn in the Inquisition Post Mortem of their father John Wareyn in 1413.^[11] John Wareyn had held the manor of Ightfield, Shropshire.

Writ of 01 Dec 1417 for proof of age of Margaret daughter of John Wareyn, sister and heir of Griffin, son and heir of John Wareyn. She is in the custody of Philip de Eggerton by the grant of Roger de Acton, knight, to whom the keeping of the lands was committed [CPR 1408–13, p.465]. Proof of age at Whitchurch, Shropshire on 21 Jan 1418. The jurors say that she was born at Ightfield and baptised there on 11 June 1401, and is now aged 17 years and more.^[12]

Marriage and Children

Margaret Warren married William Mainwaring^[7] of Ichtfield, Shropshire. ^[9] He was the son of Randle Mainwaring and Margery Venables.^{[13][14] [2][3][4][5][6]}

Based on the birth of grandson John in 1475, place the birth of Thomas Mainwaring at 1450. Since he was the second son, place the first at 1448, a daughter at 1446, and the marriage to William at 1445.

Margaret Warren has been shown as the wife of the following husbands as well, however, these are not mentioned in Richardson and there is no other evidence of their marriage:

1. John Dodd, born 1395
2. Griffith Hill, born 1372

However, Visitation of Shropshire portrays Margaret as a younger person, perhaps not born until 1475, because "Margaret, sister and heir of Griffin Waring of Ightfield married William Manwaring of Ightfield in County Salop, 14 Henry VII [1499].^[15]

Margaret and Richard were married in 1401 in Betchworth, Surrey, England. Margaret was the daughter of Sir John de Warenne (ca. 1343-1387) and Margaret Stafford Mainwaring (1345-1418). Sir John was the grandson of John de Warenne (1286-1347), the Earl of Warenne, Surrey, and Strathearn.

Margaret Warren, sister and coheir, m. William Mainwaring, d. 1498/9, had Ightfield, Shropshire, and Stratton, in Tilston, Cheshire, with lands in Broxton.

Margaret and William were the parents of:

1. Margery Mainwaring^[16]
2. Thomas Mainwaring, Esq, of Ightfield, Shropshire, 2nd son of William and Margaret. Thomas married Jane Sutton and had two sons, John (b. 1475), Knt, and George, and two daughters, Cecily and Alice (wife of Philip Hill). Thomas Mainwaring died in 1508. ^[9] Thomas Mainwaring, Esq.+ b. c 1450, d. 1508^[3][5][17]
3. Elizabeth Mainwaring+ b. c 1450^[7][2][4][6]

Research Notes

Disambiguation

There is more than one Margaret Warren. It is easy to confuse them, and the profiles of each Margaret may contain details which belong to another. For this reason it is important to refer to them by their married names and identify here the salient facts about each:

• Margaret Hill née Warren. Margaret Warren, born about 1378 in Shropshire, England, wife of Griffith Hill, and the daughter of Griffith Warenne.
• Margaret Browne née Warren, Margaret de Warren, born about 1374 in Poynton, Cheshire, wife of Richard Browne, and the daughter of Margaret de Stafford and [[Warenne-82|John de Warenne].
• Margaret Mainwaring née Warren, Margaret Warren, born 1425 or 1475 in Ightfield, Shropshire, who married William Mainwaring appears to have lived a hundred years later, marrying William in 1499. She was the daughter of either Isabel Warmingham or Isabel Cheney and and either Griffin Warren or John Warren.

Todd Farmerie's Comments on Common Line of Descent

Noted genealogist Todd Farmerie notes that the Warenne of Ightfield line, that apparently descends from Warenne of Whitchurch, and in turn from a junior Warenne family, separate from the line of the earls at least as early as the Conquest...as it appears, is largely bogus. The wives can't be trusted, and the exact connections are dubious. Even the contemporary records are problematic to interpret. This has been discussed extensively in the archives (search for Warenne and Ightfield or Warren and Ightfield). ^[18]

Here is the descent as it is usually given: ^[19]

1. William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, son of Hameline "Plantagenet."
2. Griffin de Warren, illegitimate son, dead 1286, m. Isabel de Pulford, sister of Robert, rector of Coddington, Cheshire, widow 1286 and 1298. Eyton discusses the origin of this family. He concludes that Griffin de Warren, husband of Isabel de Pulford, was son of William de Warenne als. de Albo Monasterio als. de Whitchurch, d.c.1240. That William was son of a Ranulf de Warenne, who Eyton concluded was brother of William de Warenne and Reginald de Warenne of Wormsgay. (Early Yorkshire Charters argues that this last affiliation is not correct, that there was an earlier Ranulf at Whitchurch, and that this earlier Ranulf dates back to Domesday. He cannot be accurately placed among the family, but based on use of the names Ranulf and William was likely related to the senior line.) This Griffin is said by Eyton to have fl. 1240, 1263, 1272. ^[20]
3. John de Warren, lord of Ightfield jure ux (through marriage), liv. 1289, m. Audelin, daughter and heir of Griffin de Albo Monasterio/Whitchurch [these earliest two generations seem kind of suspicious]. In light of the above, your concern seems warrented - Griffin de Warren was Griffin de Whitchurch. Eyton gives dates of 1284/5 and 1310 for John. ^[20]
4. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Wynifred, d. & coh. of William Broxlon of Chester.
5. John de Warren of Ightfield, liv. 1314, 1335, m. Ellen, d. of John Chorleton.
6. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, d. 1356, m. Maud/Matilda, d. of Fulke, Lord Strange of Blackmere, afterwards married Sir Piers (or Peter) de Cornwall, lord of Kinlet, Shropshire. Here is where things get a bit confusing. Eyton next mentions a Griffin in 1356, and I have a note (of unknown source) which says that in 1356 Griffin entails land to his grandson Griffin, son of his son John. Eyton also says that Griffin's wife was named Elizabeth, but it is unclear from my notes if this refers to the grandfather or the grandson. ^[20] Next I have a Plea Roll pedigree dating to 9/10 Richard II (ca.1386/7) which reports the following pedigree: ^[20]
   1. Griffin=Isabel de Pulford temp. Edward II (1307-1327)
   2. John
   3. Griffin
   4. John
   5. Griffin - the plaintiff 9/10 Richard II. Now if this hasn't dropped two generations, then the Visitation pedigree has added two, because the Griffin d. 1356 would have to be the middle one (if this death date is accurate). ^[20]
7. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Margaret Corbet, daughter of Sir Piers de Corbet.
8. John Warren of Ightfield, d. ca. 1413, m. Matilda/ Margaret/ Emma, daughter of Sir John Cheney of Willaston. The ipm of John, heir of Griffin de Warren reports his death 4 Feb. 1412/3, leaving son and heir Griffin aged 13. Griffin's ipm reports his death 5 Oct. 1415, heir sister Margaret aged 13. A couple of years later, her proof of age gave her bapt. 11 Jun. 1401. ^[20]
9. Margaret Warren, sister and coheir, m. William Mainwaring, d. 1498/9, had Ightfield, Shropshire, and Stratton, in Tilston, Cheshire, with lands in Broxton. I remember at least one of the middle Griffins being named in a Hunt article discussing a possible descent from princess Joan (and specifically in relation to the Strange family), but I haven't been able to find it. All of these wives appear to derive from the Shropshire Visitation, which is untrustworthy. ^[20]

Warren Line of Descent from Visitation

The following line of descent appears in the section "Mainwaring of Ightfield" in the 1623 Visitation of Shropshire: ^[15]

Dating. If Margaret married William Mainwaring in 1499, assume she was born 1475, and date each previous birth 25 years earlier.

1. (1275) Hamlin Plantagenet base son of H 2 (reigned 1154-1189) = Isabella da & hr to Wm Earl Warren

2. (1300) Jeffrey Warren = Isabella. 2 fil. Brother of Willimus Comes Warrenie et Surrie

3. (1325) Joh’es Warren de Ightfield = Audelia filia et haer, Griffith Albaney = Audelia fil. Rogeri de ightfield

4. (1350) Gruffith Warren de Ightfield – Wynifreda filia et haer Will’mi de Broxton

5. {1375) Joh’es Warren = Ellena fila Joh’is Charleton

6. (1400) Gruffith Warren = Matilda filia D’ni Strange de Blackmere

7. {1425) Griffith = Margareta filia Piers Corbett

8. (1450) Joh’es Warren de Igfhtfield = Matilda filia Joh’is Cheney de Willaston

9. (1475) Margareta soror et haeres Griffini Warenn de Ightfield in co. Salop = Will’us Manwaring de Ightfield in com Salop 2 fil ob ae 14 H. 7.

10. (1500) Georgius Manwaring de Ightfield ob ae 5 H 8; Margeria ux Ph’I Egerton de Egerton in com. Cestrae; Thomas Manwaring 2 filius = Jana fil Joh’is Sutton Dominus de Dudley

Sources

1. ↑ Synthesis:
   • Paget, Lineage and Ancestry of HRH Prince Charles, Vol. II, p. 417;
   • David Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry of 17th Century Colonists, p. 181;
   Cited by Marlyn Lewis [Our Royal Titled Noble and Common Ancestors: Magaret Warren Last edited 11 March 2014. Accessed November 20, 2017.
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3} Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 421. Cited by Marlyn Lewis [Our Royal Titled Noble and Common Ancestors: Magaret Warren Last edited 11 March 2014. Accessed November 20, 2017.
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3} Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 93. Cited by Marlyn Lewis [Our Royal Titled Noble and Common Ancestors: Magaret Warren Last edited 11 March 2014. Accessed November 20, 2017.
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2} Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 591. Cited by Marlyn Lewis [Our Royal Titled Noble and Common Ancestors: Magaret Warren Last edited 11 March 2014. Accessed November 20, 2017..
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3} Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 1. Cited by Marlyn Lewis [Our Royal Titled Noble and Common Ancestors: Magaret Warren Last edited 11 March 2014. Accessed November 20, 2017.
6. ↑ ^{6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4} Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 479. Cited by Marlyn Lewis [Our Royal Titled Noble and Common Ancestors: Magaret Warren Last edited 11 March 2014. Accessed November 20, 2017.
7. ↑ ^{7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3} Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 805. Cited by Marlyn Lewis [Our Royal Titled Noble and Common Ancestors: Magaret Warren Last edited 11 March 2014. Accessed November 20, 2017.
8. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 93.
9. ↑ ^{9.0 9.1 9.2} Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Salt Lake City, Utah, 2013. Vol. IV, p. 1
10. ↑ J. L. Kirby, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry V, Entries 250-299', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 20, Henry V (London, 1995), pp. 81-96. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol20/pp81-96 [accessed 24 May 2020]. Inquisition Post Mortem of Griffin Wareyn. Item 293.
11. ↑ J. L. Kirby, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry V, Entries 1-50', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 20, Henry V (London, 1995), pp. 1-13. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol20/pp1-13 [accessed 24 May 2020]. Inquisition Post Mortem of John, son and heir of Griffith Wareyn. Item 16.
12. ↑ J. L. Kirby, 'Inquisitions Post Mortem, Henry V, Entries 800-851', in Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem: Volume 20, Henry V (London, 1995), pp. 248-272. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol20/pp248-272 [accessed 24 May 2020]. Item 844.
13. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 421.
14. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 591.
15. ↑ ^{15.0 15.1} Robert Tresswell, Somerset Herald, and Augustine Vincent, Rouge Croix Pursuivant of Arms, Marshals and Deputies to William Camden, Clarenceux Ring of Arms. Mainwaring of Ightfield The Visitation of Shropshire, Taken in the Year 1623 Publication of the Harleian Society, Est. AD 1869. Stuche of Styche, p. 337-338, Volume 29, Part II, London: 1889 Accessed December 21, 2016
16. ↑ Marlyn Lewis [Our Royal Titled Noble and Common Ancestors: Magaret Warren Last edited 11 March 2014. Accessed November 20, 2017.
17. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 485. Cited by Marlyn Lewis [Our Royal Titled Noble and Common Ancestors: Magaret Warren Last edited 11 March 2014. Accessed November 20, 2017.
18. ↑ Todd A. Farmerie, Griffith Warren and Matilda Strange. Soc.Genealogy.Medieval October 10, 2010. Accessed November 17, 2017.
19. ↑ Sources: Memoirs of the Ancient Earls of Warren and Surrey, and Their Descendants to the Present Time by John Watson pg 215-220. He cites Vincent's Cheshire that is said to contain a complete pedigree of this Griffinus de Warenna, son of John Warenne, Earl of Surrey.
20. ↑ ^{20.0 20.1 20.2 20.3 20.4 20.5 20.6} Todd A. Farmerie Response Re: Warren of Ightfield Accessed November 17, 2017.