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William Warren (abt. 1505 - bef. 1554)

William Warren
Born about in Bures Saint Mary, Suffolk, Englandmap [uncertain]
Son of [uncertain] and [uncertain]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married 1525 in Bures St. Mary, Suffolk, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died before before about age 49 in Bures Saint Mary, Suffolk, Englandmap [uncertain]
Profile last modified | Created 20 Feb 2011
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Biography

William was born about 1505, and certainly before 1515, as he and his wife Katherine produced at least 9 surviving children (about 18+ years of childbearing) by the time of his death + 9 months gestation.[1][2]

He married Katherine ( ) by 1536 or earlier.[3]

Children, named in the 1567 will of his wife Katherine:

  1. Julian(ne)
  2. John Ansel
  3. Thomas
  4. John
  5. Robert
  6. young child #1, unstated
  7. young child #2, unstated
  8. young child #3, unstated
  9. young child #4, unstated

William Warren died intestate; administration was granted to widow Katherine, "26 September 1554."

Research Notes

He is thought to be the father or grandfather of Susan (Warren) French (abt.1554-1613). Both options are possible, given the years of Susan's marriage and childbearing. See comments below, and on her profile.

A review of sources on ancestry.com, findagrave.com, and familysearch.org (https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GMDT-CV3) shows no qualified sources beyond what is quoted by John B. Threlfall in NEHGS.[2]

From comments on the profile of Susan (Warren) French (abt.1554-1613) by contributor GeneJ X:
"No record has been found reporting (possible daughter or granddaughter) Susan's baptism, and she is not named in a will.

Citing "Essex Record Office at Bury St. Edmunds, R2/35/20 [for William] ... W1/38/6 [for Katherine]," Threlfall reports that William Warren died intestate; administration was granted to widow Katherine, "26 September 1554."[1]

Katherine Warren did leave a will, dated 31 July 1567, proved January 1570/1 naming as beneficiaries, "Julyan my daughter" (presumably also as "Julian Waryn my daughter"), "John Awnsell, my son," the "2 children of the said Ansel, John and Alice," "Thomas Waryn my son," "John Waryn my son," "Robert Waryn my son," "William Waryn & John Waryn the sons of Thomas Waryn my son," and to "my 4 young children."

In presenting Katherine's will, Threlfall writes [p. 251], "Susan might have been one of these four young ones, or an unmentioned granddaughter." Of the same issue, he also suggested, [p. 250] that if she were the daughter of William, and the estate was settled soon after his death, Susan could not have been born later than 1555 (posthumously), making her 45 at the birth of her last child ... "More likely, she was William's granddaughter."

For Threlfall's comments and more information about the family of William and Katherine (_____) Warren, see John B. Threlfall, "Thomas French of Assington, Suffolk, England, and Ipswich, Massachusetts," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 142:250-252; digital images by subscription, American Ancestors"[2]

The above will of Katherine presents 9 children born to her and William Warren before his death + 9 months; therefore before mid-1555 at the latest. Assuming the usual 2 years between children, that's 18 years of childbearing or more. Therefore they would have married about 1536 or earlier. It would seem certain that William was born well before 1527, more likely before 1510. This would preclude him from being the underage son of Robert Warren (abt.1485-bef.1545) named in Robert's will.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 Essex (England) Record Office at Bury St. Edmunds, WILLS, R2/35/20 [for William] ... W1/38/6 [for Katherine]
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 John B. Threlfall, "Thomas French of Assington, Suffolk, England, and Ipswich, Massachusetts," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 142:250-252; digital images by subscription, American Ancestors"
  3. Marriage year calculated by subtracting 18 years of childbearing from his death year.

See Also:

  • "Family Tree," database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org), entry for this profile (PID FamilySearch Person: GMDT-CV3); contributed by various users. No relevant sources attached as of 17 Feb 2023
  • Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Page: Ancestry Family Tree Data: Text: Ancestry Profile Broken Link

Acknowledgements

  • This person was created through the import of WikiTree.ged on 20 February 2011.
  • WikiTree profile Warren-1894 created through the import of Scoullar Family Tree dec07.ged on Jul 10, 2011 by Rhonda Scoullar. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Rhonda and others.
  • WikiTree profile Warren-2117 created through the import of HUNTER FAMILY TREE (3).ged on Aug 27, 2011 by Restricted Hunter. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Restricted and others.
  • WikiTree profile Warren-1886 created through the import of BDM7-7-11.ged on Jul 8, 2011 by Brian McCullough. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Brian and others.




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The sources cited (Tree at ancestry.com) are not available to the public - can you provide the sources cited by those trees?
posted on Warren-1609 (merged) by Darryl Rowles
Warren-1609 and Warren-6415 appear to represent the same person because: These appear to be the same person.
posted on Warren-6415 (merged) by Clare Bromley III
Dean Crawford Smith and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, ed., The Ancestry of Eva Belle Kempton ... pt 1, The Ancestry of Warren Francis Kempton ... (Boston: NEHGS, 1996) can be borrowed via Open Library.

I reviewed the surname section "Warren," pp. 463-490 (pp. 481+ follow lines born after 1650) and found no William born 1527 or died 1554.

Based on that review, I presume any trace of a source for information about William Warren came from "tinnes gedcom" ca 2000.

posted on Warren-6415 (merged) by GeneJ X
His father's 1544 will (see father profile) notes that he is underage at that time. This would place his birth after 1524 and likely after 1525 the estimated birth of his next eldest known sibling. I think we should change the estimated year of birth to after 1526. The place of birth would be Wiston (Wyston, Wissington). NEHGR suggests he "may" be the testator of 1600-01. I am unsure if there has been additional research on that.
posted on Warren-1609 (merged) by T Stanton
Two things:

1) Bures St Mary is one place. No commas. It's not "Bures, St Mary" in the same way (nearby) Bury St Edmund is not "Bury, St Edmund." The French make this easier with their connecting-hyphen-st-place style, but oh well; we have to avoid the trend by American researchers to garble the English place names.

2) It's in presently in Babergh, Suffolk. Are we saying (proving?) this same village was in Essex (NOT Suffolk) during this man's lifetime?

posted on Warren-6415 (merged) by Isaac Taylor
edited by Isaac Taylor
Warren-6489 and Warren-6415 appear to represent the same person because: Exact duplicate profiles. Please merge. Thanks
posted on Warren-6415 (merged) by Cheyenne Boggioni
Merge with Warren-1886 can't be completed until resolution of his parents' identity.
posted by Jillaine Smith
He does not appear to be the William of the Wiston (Wyston, Wissington), Nayland, Suffolk family of Warren in the study of the parish registers NEHGR 64:353-55. This would indicate the unmerged match with William Warren-1609 should probably be rejected but the profile here is unsourced. The appropriate date of birth for Warren-1609 is after 1526.
posted by T Stanton
Merge with Warren-1894 can't be completed until resolution of his parents' identity.
posted by Jillaine Smith

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