Hans Webber married Elsje Pieters van Hamburg (Any marriage between the two would have occurred between May, 1648 and before Aug, 07, 1650 when Elsje, a widow, remarried.)
Note: An Elsje Pieters sponsored a baptism on May 10, 1648 at the NARDC. Her co-sponsor was Barent Bal [2]. Normally, if a woman was married at that time, 1648, she would have sponsored with her husband. Another marriage record shows that a BAL, BARENT JANSE, m. Nov. 22, 1652, in N. A., Anneken, which suggests that he was not the husband of Elsje.
Children
Hans Webber's known death before August 07, 1650 (wife's remarriage), invalidates any possibility that Hans fathered daughter Catherine Hanse after April, 1651...normal gestation. This leaves a narrow window for conception/birth of a daughter in 1649-1650.
By Michael Shoemaker, August 18, 2008 concluded that no evidence points to a Catherine Hanssen being the daughter of Hans Webber and Trynje Pieters. He checked Catherine's marriage date, and the ages of her children, and calculated that she must have been b. ABT 1655. Her latest (Cathryn Hendrickse Kortright) was baptized in 1699. [3]
Death
Hans Webber died sometime before August 07, 1650, when his widow Elsje Pieters, van Hamburg remarried to Mathys Capido van Bontze[4]
A father's death date (Webber-51 died 1649) should not be more than nine months before one of his children's birth dates (Hanse-61 born 1652) .
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It is highly unlikely that Hans Webber, husband of Elsje Pieters, fathered Catherine Hanse . He was dead on August 07, 1650 when widow Elsje Pieters remarried.
Weber-1380 and Webber-51 appear to represent the same person because: This is the oldest paternal ancestor in this chain in need of a merge into the NNS PPP. No tree conflicts. There is disparity about whether his patronymic name is Hans Nicolaeszen or Hans Johannsesn. His father is supposdly Hans Johnan, so I think Johnanssen is probably more correct than Hicolaeszen. Hans, as I understand it in old German, is not really a first name, but instead is sort of a formal address, a bit similar to the way we use Mr. But I don't know if that is really what is at work here. Thanks!
By his patronymic Nicolaeszen, Hans should be son of Nicolaes, not of Hans. But my understanding is that "Hans" is often used among Germanics in particular as sort of a salutation, like Mr., and is not necessarily always to be interpreted as a true first name.
So something may have gotten lost in translation from German during the Dutchification on this line in ages past. Hopefully sources will turn up, to clarify.
A father's death date (Webber-51 died 1649) should not be more than nine months before one of his children's birth dates (Hanse-61 born 1652) . SAVE ANYWAY If you are saving without changes consider an explanation in the text. [more info]
thoughts?
So something may have gotten lost in translation from German during the Dutchification on this line in ages past. Hopefully sources will turn up, to clarify.