Cecily (Welsh) gwraig Jenkin ap Philip
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Cecily (Welsh) gwraig Jenkin ap Philip (abt. 1385)

Born about in Langstone Llebenydd, Monmouthshire, Walesmap
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Biography

Cecily Welsh was born about 1385 in Llebenydd, Monmouthshire, Wales.[1][2]

She was the daughter of John Welsh[3] and Katherine Llewelyn.[citation needed][4]

Cecily married, as his second wife, Jenkin ap Philip. His first wife was Jonet ferch Gwilym of Peutun ap Llywelyn ap Hywel Fychan.[5]

Which of Jenkin's wives was the mother of Morgan is unclear. Cecily may have been his mother. Jonet was the mother of "William Morgan". A son Gruffydd is connected to Jenkin with a question mark and no mother indicated.[6]

Sources

  1. Entered by Greg Rose, Thursday, April 17, 2014. [citation needed]
  2. Welles-492 (no source) had birth as about 1380 in "Llan-Wern, Liebenydd, Monmouthshire, England"
  3. #Bartrum
  4. In researching Sir John Welsh, some online trees appear to give both John Welsh and his son-in-law Jenkin ap Philip a wife named Katherine Llewelyn. Jenkin married (2) Cecily, Sir John's daughter (#Lewis shows Jenkin's first wife as "Catherine fil Gwillim Llewelyn, daughter of Gwillim Llewelyn ap Howel" with no specific source citation). Sir John's wife is given simply as Katherine Llewelyn where a wife is listed (a source for her has so far eluded me). ~ Liz Shifflett, October 9, 2015
  5. Bleddyn ap Maenyrch 18 (#Bartrum); note that this Bartrum chart for Llywelyn ap Hywel also does not show a daughter named Catherine for his son "Gwilym of Peutun"
  6. See Bartrum's chart for Jenkin (Cydifor Fawr 15)
  • The Bartrum Project (digitization of "Welsh Genealogies AD 300- 1500" by Peter C. Bartrum)
  • Sir John Welsh, "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed June 5, 2015), citing
    • Unknown author, Stemmata Robertson, p. 259. in unknown series (n.p.: n.pub., unknown publish date), p. 259.
    • Unknown author, Stemmata Robertson & Durdin. in unknown series (n.p.: n.pub., unknown publish date), p. 259.
    • Unknown author, Family Group Sheets, Family History/Genealogy Center Archives, Salt Lake City, UT in unknown series (n.p.: n.pub., unknown publish date).
  • #Lewis entry for Jenkyn ap Philip cites Douglas Richardson's work (see Richardson's website for information on his books) and Unknown author, Wallop Family, p. 566. Wife's information is apparently from the Wallop family, as it is not in the citations he lists for #Richardson:
    • SAINT JOHN #12: "John Saint John ... married Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq., of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife, Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt." (Magna Carta Ancestry Vol. III, p. 478-479)
    • WILTON #10: "John Grey, Knt., 8th Lord Grey of Wilton...married (2nd) before 26 Nov. 1498 (date of indenture) Elizabeth Vaughan, widow of Thomas Cokesey...and daughter of Thomas Vaughan, Knt., of Tretower, Breconshire, by his 1st wife, Cecily, daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq." (Magna Carta Ancestry Vol. IV, p. 348-349)
    • SAINT JOHN #17: "John Saint John ... married Sibyl (or Margaret) ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, Esq., of Langstone, Monmouthshire, by his 2nd wife, Margred, daughter of Dafydd Matthew, Knt." (Royal Ancestry Vol. IV, (not p. 531, cited by Lewis; p 534 had the quoted reference)
    • BLETSOE: "John Saint John, K.B., of Bletsoe, Bedfordshire, married Sibyl ferch Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip (see SAINT JOHN 15)" (Plantagenet Ancestry (not p. 628, cited by Lewis, which was on the Strodes, c1528-c1629); p 286)
Note: Cecily was removed as the spouse of Jenkin's son Morgan Oct. 9, 2015.


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gwraig = wife of (see #8 Current Last Name of Naming Guide for Welsh Royals and Aristocrats 742-1535
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Liz, I'm fine with that.
Bartrum has Cecily as the daughter of Sir John Welsh - see http://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/4948/cydifor%20fawr%2015.png

OK if I move Katherine and Cecily to Welsh-148?

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett

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