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Sincerely,
Jim Bass
I'm in the ACKERMAN family through Gerrit G. Ackerman born 1756 to him listed as Gerrit Gerrit Ackerman since they are the same person. Can I join to add his family? Thank you. Sincerely, Jan Day Amenta
Just checked Ancestry, Abigail Tozers daughter also married a Mutch (James) making the match stronger?
edited by Trevor Smith
Enoch Doughty made his will on the 27th February 1675, and in his will Enoch does not name a wife. The will mentions children but does not name any children, and specifies that his children may go out of the country and all his property is to be sold. There are no provisions for a wife who if alive would be entitled to part of the estate.
It is known from sources that Mary Ross was alive in 1713 and was married to Israel Voss (Voss-8) and was the mother of his children as listed in Israel Voss' will (Will of Israel Voss: Original wills, 1693-1821, Norfolk County, Virginia - page 10; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99PD-Y4RG). Mary is named in the will of her husband Israel Voss.
After Israel Voss' death Mary married Francis Wilder (Wilder-451) and is listed in Norfolk County, Virginia court records as the wife of Francis Wilder as follows: "Norfolk County, Virginia, Court July, 1715 . . . Order is granted Lem'l Wilson against Francis Wilder and Mary his wife adm'x with will anxt of Capt Israel Voss Dec'd for the same of two hundred & ? eight pounds of Tobacco appearing due by the Plts: oath & ordered they pay the same out of the Estate of Capt. Israel Voss Dec'd with cash . . ." See: Norfolk County, Virginia Deed Book No. 9, 1710-1717, page 128 (Image 418 of 562); https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9PX-645.
There are no sources to show that Mary Ross was ever married to Enoch Doughty (Doughty-30), while there are sources to show she was married to Israel Voss and Francis Wilder, and was still alive 40 years after the will of Enoch Doughty was made.
edited by Carol Wilder
Elias is mentioned in the bios of both parents
So far, nothing but crickets.
Thanks, Greg
The child's name is Joshua Van Zandt (Van_Zandt-480). He is actually listed as a child in the biography of Isaiah Van Zandt Jr,
Secondary question: I used to use the rootsweb.com mailing lists to collaborate and help others. That is gone. Is there something similar which has taken its place? Best regards, Lilly Martin
edited by Lilly Martin
Rebecka Fonda and Vincent Eli Castle. Anyone know of this line?
It isn't always that easy!
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Banta-176#comment_6971484
edited by Beryl Meehan
In my tree I show him as father of Rebecca Fort (Fort-1329) with Rebecca Daniels van Antwerpen (Van_Antwerpen-46 your tree Van_Antwerpen-225 my tree) as his wife, mother of Rebecca.
Are you able to agree and add Rebecca and merge the mother records? If not, what do you need from me.
Thank you !!!
Maybe there should be a merge with Mary Van Damm-11.
Researching my cousin Piersol’s family, the tree goes back to a George Pearsall-136. Before my changes, the original profile for George Pearsall gave only one spouse, Ellen ?, married c1663 in Chester Pa.
A source indicates that George sold his Long Island property and moved to Chester Pa.
I created the profile for Mary Van Damm-11 based on Family Search. she was born in England and was married to a George Pearsall. According to Family Search, there are some children of George Pearsall and Mary Van Damm. Their children are given birth dates between 1644 and 1650, in Long Island.
The only FS records I found for Nicholas Pearsall (died in 1689 in Flushing, Queens) does not give a spouse. https://www.familysearch.org/home/nli-discovery?givenName=nicholas&surname=pearsal&birthPlace=england&deathPlace=new+york&deathDate=1701
Some years ago I read that The New Netherland Project had contracted a person to translate the original 17th century Dutch records. At this time, the colony recorded births, deaths, marriages, land transfers etc.
These translated records may be on line and if so they are probably in an image format. Since I’m blind and rely on a screen reader, they would not be accessible to me.
Perhaps there are sources that could clarify Mary Van Damm’s birth, marriage, death etc? Should there be a merge?
Peter Tesar-14
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Lourens-216
Billie
Do you have any issues with this and if not, how could I get this accomplished?
Thanks
edited by Jim Maxwell
I have recently inherited the family genealogist role from my 99-year-old Great Aunt and I'd like to try picking up where she left off. Below is an excerpt of a source she's been using for decades.
Questions: 1. Has anyone come across a more current source with greater detail? 2. Are there newer resources available that may help to fill in the 250+ year gap between Peter "the Roman" Romeyn and Nicholas Romeyn
Page 139 JAMES A. ROMEYN. — The Romeyns, Romanies, and Romains of Bergen County, claim to be of Italian lineage, which they trace to one Giacomo de Ferentino, an Italian gentleman who settled at Bongham [Rongham] Manor, Norfolk- shire, England, in the early part of the thirteenth century, and married an English lady, Isabella de Rucham, by whom he had issue two sons, one of whom was Peter. This Peter was sent to Rome to be educated, and on his return took the surname of Romaeyn (Peter the Roman). Peter married the daughter of Thomas de Leicester. Many of Peter's descendants became noted men in England. One of them, Jan Romeyn, went from England to the low countries (Holland) and settled in Amsterdam. He had several children, among whom were Claes Jansen, Simeon Jansen, and Christofer Janen. Claes and Christofer sailed from Rotterdam, Holland, to Brazil, as members of an expedition to that country commanded by Prince Maurice of Nassau. Soon after arriving in Brazil the country was ceded to Portugal, and hereupon the two Romeyns sailed for America.
[source: Harvey, Cornelius Burnham. Genealogical History of Hudson and Bergen Counties, New Jersey. New York : New Jersey Genealogical Pub. Co., 1900. http://archive.org/details/genealogicalhist00harv.]
Today my sister asked me if I had made any progress finding the parents of DeGroot-1445. If you check his profile, I know quite a lot about him and his family once they arrive in New Netherlands. But I lack the ability to press further back with any sort of genealogical rigor.
I don't know if you have Dutch events similar to the site-wide events I get emails about on a regular basis. But I would like to nominate DeGroot-1445 as a person who a Dutch team could hook up back to the Netherlands if his family was as prominent as DeGroat-47 kept telling my grandmother, who was his sister. Thanks for reading this, and please let me know if I should do something else rather than leave this comment.
As is true of the great majority of colonial Americans of the 1600s who have living descendants, there are other WikiTree profiles for your de Groots, and WikiTree had some solid sources for the information in these profiles. I have merged at least one duplicate profile from your family line, and I have proposed a couple more merges.
There were multiple de Groot or Groot families in New Netherland, and I believe that your immigrant ancestor in the de Groot line is not Staats de Groot. Staats de Groot had only one son, and he was not Johannes. Rather, it looks to me like your earliest immigrant ancestor may be Jacob (Pieterszen) de Groot (abt.1628-).
See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:New_Netherland_Settlers_Project_Reliable_Sources and the other pages linked from that page for information on some of the sources we use to research New Netherland people. Most of this material is in English, and much of it is free.
Yes, It's me, Jim again. My current project, other than officially becoming a New_Netherlands Project member ... is the completion of a merge between Nicholas (D'allie) d'Allie (abt.1630-) & Nicholas d'Ailly (1635-abt.1700), currently marked as an unmerged match. There is absolutely no question about them being/representing the same person, though a few data points vary.
I think that I have done a fairly good job of explaining the ambiguity between various accounts of a person's life events who lived nearly 400 years ago, on the profile that I manage. With your agreement, I am prposing that we ..YOU.. set them as a pendeng merge, then I will do the rest by completing the merge under D'allie-1. I hope that we can work together to consolidate these records of a very prominent member of the New_Netherlands Project.
Respectfully,
Jim
Please see my G2G post:
https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1199651/did-you-know-to-look-for-de-vere-profiles-after-z-entries
Cheers, Liz (a van Meter descendant)
<a href="https://hdl.handle.net/2027/loc.ark:/13960/t03x8g382 ">Baptismal and marriage registers of the old Dutch church of Kingston, Ulster County, New York</a>... The term "Hoogduits-land", spelled vaious way and referring to a bride or groom's origin, was interpeted by the author/transcriber of that work to represent a German origin... However, I read in the past, in a source I can't remember, that term was used to represent the highlands beyond Albany. Can anyone out there provide a source for this supposition?
edited by Jim Maxwell
In case you are not already aware of them, you might appreciate knowing about the WikiTree collection of Source pages that are designed to help in citing a source -- and also providing background information about the source, along with information on where to find it. The Source page for the book you refer to is Space: Baptismal and Marriage Registers of the Old Dutch Church of Kingston, Ulster County, New York.
In the book Hoog-duytsland (and its various spellings) is almost always identified parenthetically as Germany, and I have no reason to doubt that. Hoog is a Dutch word that means "high" and "Duitsland" is the Dutch language name for Germany (see https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duitsland ) -- note that the word is very similar to the German language name "Deutschland." Thus Hoog-duitsland could be read as High Germany. "High" refers here to elevation of the land. If you remember much geography, you probably remember that the Netherlands is a very low-lying region ("Nether" means low), and Germany is mostly uphill from the Netherlands. In centuries past, English speakers often referred to the people of the Netherlands as Low Dutch (in German this would be Niederdeutsch; in Dutch I guess it would be something like Neder-Duytsch) and used the term High Dutch for the people of what is now Germany. Many German (Palatine) migrants were settled in work camps along the Hudson River (West Camp was in Ulster County and East Camp was across the river) in 1710, and the name Hoog-duytsland first appears in the Kingston marriage records in 1712 (marriages 284 and 285 on page 526) when young men of the New Netherland community started marrying young women from the Palatine camps. This could make a great story to tell!
The information you saw regarding the highlands beyond Albany likely used a word something like Hoog-landt, which would be Dutch for "highland." :-)
edited by Ellen Smith
1732 Aug 12, marriage of Johannes Maks Velde, single, born in Hoogduyts-land [Germany], and Margriet Hendriks, single, born under the durisdiction of Menner van Livengstont [Livingston Manor]. Both resind in Ulters [Ulster] Co. Banns registerd 1732 Aug 27 [sic].
What stood out to me was the name "Maks Velde", a variation of the name "Maxfield" and "Maxwell" that I had seen before in Dutch Records. Being a name of Scottish origin is what made me question the accuracy of the translation for "Hoogsduyts-land"
On further baptism records the name was given as 1733 Jun 17, Joh. Maks Velten 1736 Jan 1, Johannes Velten 1738 Jan 22, Johannes Velde 1740 Jan 13, Johannes Velten 1743 Sep 11, Johan Max Velde 1746 Feb 23, Johannes Velter 1748 Nov 20, Johan Maximilian Velde 1752 Jan 12, Johannes Velde 1754 Sep 15, Johan Maximilian Velde
Do you think that term could have represented Germantown, NY which was in close proximity to the bride's place of origin, that being "Livinston Manor"?
Again, that you for your comments!
Jim Maxwell
Before I say anything else, I feel it urgently important to advise you his LNAB should not be Maxwell. WikiTree naming conventions (see Help:Name Fields) tell us to "use their conventions, not ours," and call people by the name(s) they were known by during their lifetime. WikiTree should record him with the names he actually was recorded with. I have not researched him (other than looking at some of the church records), but I have yet to see any contemporary documentation supporting Maxwell as his name, much less his original name. It is not clear that he fits within the scope of the New Netherland Settlers project, but because he lived in the New Netherland area and had his life events recorded in New Netherland churches, I think the project-specific naming conventions are very appropriate to apply.
Your notion that this was a Scotsman named Maxwell or Maxfield is interesting. There were Scotsmen in the New Netherland population at this time, and their names were spelled in diverse ways in the church records. However, I have to say that the most straightforward interpretation of the available evidence indicates that he was born in Germany before 1710 with a baptismal name something like Johan Maximilian (consistent with German naming in that time period) and a family name of Veldt (or similar), arrived in New York in 1710, and settled originally in East Camp (the original name of what was later called Germantown) or West Camp. Some of the evidence I see:
I have not checked for the name Velden (or similar spellings) in the records of Palatines in East Camp and West Camp, but that is where I would look for clues to the origins of this man.
edited by Ellen Smith
I am sending a private message to you, so it should get to your email. Respond here if you don't get it.
Some comments to leave here, so others can see:
1. The Nathaniel you created is a duplicate, so these two profiles will need to be merged:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kuykendaal-15
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Van_Kuykendaal-15
2. I added a link to the transcription of the baptismal record on Kuykendaal-15, so assuming it is correctly transcribed, "Kuykendaal" should remain as the spelling of the Last Name at Birth (LNAB).
3. If you look at the comments far down on the older profile (the first link above), you'll see that someone asked if George is the son of Nathaniel. No good answer was given, and a compiled genealogy was linked which does not list a son George. Those authored works, especially ones like that from over 100 years ago, are often unreliable. So George very well might have been his son. But before a merger can happen, the current children need to be confirmed, meaning that we will need to find solid evidence that George was Nathaniel's son.
4. After sorting out the children on the two profiles, the death date will need to be sorted out. The current Nathaniel has 1769, which is maybe dubious since, for instance, that authored work says he was having children in the 1770s. But a reliable source will need to be found and placed on his profile.
I have information to contribute to the profile of Abraham Freer. This is what I can add:
additional children eg Phillippus Freer These are the sources I am using:
History of New Paltz, New York, and Its Old Families (from 1678 to 1820): Including the Huguenot Pioneers and Others who Settled in New Paltz Previous to the Revolution; with an Appendix Bringing Down the History of Certain Families and Some Other Matter to 1850 Book by Ralph Le Fevre Should I contact one of the pre-1700 projects or know about any style guidelines before proceeding? Thank you!
WikiTree profile: Abraham Freer
edited by Michelle Wyckoff
I posted this as a comment on 'William Wallen-459' and am following up with a separate email to you. I also sent this to Ellen Smith and the PM for William Wallen.
In early June 2020, I was working on the Lawrence of St Albans, Hertfordshire line. They are direct descendants of Charlemagne. They came to the colonies in 1635 with their mother, Lawrence siblings and Tuttle stepfather and siblings. One of the Lawrence daughters is my 8th great-grandmother. I found that several of her siblings needed editing and sourcing. I started with Capt. Thomas Lawrence-952 given that he is an ancestor of Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) through his daughter Mary Lawrence-3773, who married Thomas Walton-6105 (she married 2) John White; however, there is little to no information about him). I added biographies and sourcing for all three of these profiles (Thomas and Mary Lawrence and Thomas Walton). I found a discrepancy for Mary and Thomas Walton's son, William Walton, who is erroneously listed as Willem Wallen-459 on wikitree. He is NOT a Netherlands descendant. I have a great deal of information about William Walton and his brother (less so for his siblings listed in the Mary Lawrence and Thomas Walton profiles). In late May/early June 2020 when I discovered this discrepancy, I contacted Jillaine in order to add Capt. Thomas Lawrence to PGM. I also discussed the erroneous listing and biography for 'Willem Wallen', who should rightfully be William Walton, son of Mary (Lawrence) and Thomas Walton. This link to Mary Lawrence also provides FDR with his link to Charlemagne. I also contacted and email communicated with Chase Ashley and Joe Cochoit at that time (late May, early June), who were extremely helpful in reviewing, discussing, and verifying information, sources and so forth.
I am now requesting that this profile for 'Willem Wallen-459' be disconnected from Daniel Joseph Waldron and Saertie Rutgers and the 'Waldron' siblings (who are not his parents and siblings), and connect him as William Walton to parents Thomas Walton-6105. and Mary Lawrence-3773. He should also be deleted from the New Netherland project given that his parents were of English heritage. I will re-write and resource this profile, and add the linkage to FDR and to Charlemagne. Again, i sent this as an email to Mary Van Deusen, Ellen Smith, and Jillaine as follow up.
Thank you all very much for your attention to this profile. I will be happy to help with re-connecting William Walton, of which I have a great deal of information and proper sourcing.
edited by Carol Baldwin PhD RN
Thank you for your prompt comment. I just finished responding to your Comment to Chase Ashley and added sources to support William Walton, husband of Mary Santford [Santvoort], who is the son of Capt. Thomas Walton of England and Mary Lawrence, daughter of Capt. Thomas Lawrence of Newtown, Long Island, New York, who was a wealthy landowner there. I provided two sources in my Comment, one by Annette (Townsend) Phillips on the Walton and Roosevelt families (the book is dedicated to Sara Delano Roosevelt and believe she ant the authors may have been friends), the other is Gary Boyd Roberts' most recent work (2018) on the Royal Descent of 900 Ancestor. I have other resources that link William Walton with Thomas and Mary (Lawrence) Walton; extensive background on William Walton and his brother Thomas, with additional linkages to the Santvoorts, Beekmans and Dutch Church. As to your comment about not correctly understanding the purpose of the New Netherland Project, I apologize for what came across as ignorance. I do fully understand the intent of this project. I made the comment because of the conflated information about the parentage of William Walton. I certainly recognize and feel it important that the New Netherlands Settlers Project be returned when the profile for William Walton be corrected with his sourced parents, Thomas and Elizabeth (Lawrence) Walton, who were of English heritage. I fully understand that William and Mary Santvoort's son (also named William) married a Beekman and this merchant family not only have Dutch heritage, but interacted with Dutch, English and Spanish merchants. I am sorry if my comment offended you. It was not intentional, I can assure you. I will be happy to help write up and fully source William Walton with additional information about his life, marriage to Mary Santvoort, children, etc. I will also write up and source his Walton/Lawrence siblings, several of whom also have primary sources and supportive information as to their Walton/Lawrence parents. Again, thank you!
Could someone who has the power please merge these two files.
Van Dyck-3 and Van Dyck 544 were merged in 2017. The unmerged match is VanDyke-249, and being set as an unmerged match does not mean it has been rejected. It means that it has been accepted as a match but work needs to be done before the merge can be completed.
Willem's children were named Willemsen and eventually became Williamson. We know one branch of the family has surname Williams, because a Williams matches my Y-DNA. I have traced my direct line and others back to Willem Gerritsen. Richard Williamson [email address removed]
By adding other names in the profile when making/editing the profile will help connect to multiple spellings. It is with the help of valid, historical works/records that connect the branches to the World Tree. Van Kortryck became Cutright for my ancestors in West Virginia. Having that info in other names tracks them back to the Nethelands. This is the same for Larrison, Blackshear which had multiple spellings and without the sources I found would never have connected to the Stout Family. Sharon
Much of the data on this page seems to fail community standards.
ADDED: That policy is at Help:Name Fields, particularly in the section "General Naming Conventions," which says "Use their conventions instead of ours." The New Netherland Settlers Project Naming Convention is an extension to the general naming convention, describing its application to the New Netherland situation.
Suggest a common name for Van Kortryck Descendants--Courtright, Kortright, Kortget, Kortrect all in America--be agreed upon for Wikitree Tree. Van Kortryck for LNAB sounds best for me. Always include other names somewhere on the profile. Worked on it all day and cannot get a merge done because the mother's name LNAB is Weber/Webber if one understands why she also has the LNAB of Hansen--child of Hans or Jansen--wife of maybe Hendrick Jansen (son of Jan) Van Kortryck (in Netherlands and Kortright/Courtright after the came to America. Thanks for your input. Both Hendrick, the father and Pieter, the son have two wives who are the same person--it is the LNAB that causes the difficulty. Sharon