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Hendrick Martensen Wiltsee (1623 - 1712)

Hendrick Martensen (Henrich) Wiltsee aka Wiltsie, Wiltse, Martinse, van Copenhagen
Born in At sea, on the ship New Amsterdam, en route to New Netherlandmap
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Husband of — married 11 Dec 1660 in Esopus (now Kingston), New Netherlandmap
Husband of — married 26 Jun 1705 in New York, Province of New Yorkmap
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Died at about age 88 in Long Island City, Queens, New Yorkmap
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Biography

Information about Hendrick's parents comes only from the discredited book "Memoir of Philippe Maton Wiltsee and his Descendants, with a Historical Introduction referring to the Wiltsee Nation and its Colonies" by Jerome Wiltse. That publication states Hendrick's father was one of the 56 signers of the Round Robin petition "to go into Virginia and there to live in the same condition as others of His Majesty's subjects, but in a town or incorporation by themselves." But for many of the signers, that particular journey was never completed as planned.

Hendrick Martensen, sometimes shown with the surname Wiltsee or Van Copenhagen, is the son of Philippe Maton and Sophia Ter Bosch. He was born aboard the vessel that brought his parents and five siblings to America to a colony in Virginia. Posted 13 Mar 2021 by Mann Spencer Hendrick Martenszen WILTSE Van COPPENHAGENBirth14 Mar 1623, New Netherland, (Ship)Death1712, New Amsterdam, NYBurialNewtown, NY FatherPhilippe Maton WILTSE (1580-1632)Mother Sophia TER BOSCH (1598-1646)Misc. NotesThe early history of the Wiltse family is associated with the Dutch West India Company (chartered June 30, 1621, mainly to fight Spain in the New World). The Wiltse family history begins in 1658 in Fort Orange, New Netherland (Albany, New York) with Hendrick Martensen Wiltsie van Copenhagen [Hendrick, son of Martin, probably born in Copenhagen (he adopted the Wiltsie surname later)]. (Zabriskie, G. O. "The Wiltsie Family." The Dutch Settlers Society of Albany Yearbook, 1970-1972, volume 43, pp 9-11). A family history published in 1908 (Jerome WILTSE, Sr "A Genealogical and Psychological Memoir of Philippe Maton Wiltsie and his Descendants. With a Historical Introduction Referring to the Wiltsie Nation and its Colonies", Atchison, Kansas, 1908.) provided a mix of fact and "fiction". Many of the family lineages and "stories" in the book are not factual so all of the data in the book must be viewed with skepticism. There is no knowledge of his exact year of birth and no record of his baptism in the limited records available in the Copenhagen Lutheran Church. There is also no information as to when Hendrick came to America, but some general information on New Netherland's early settlers provides some background. The ship Pigeon and the yacht Mackerel left Plymouth, England on Aug 31, 1623, with Jesse de Forest and the heads of ten other families from the Walloon group of refugees at Leydon who left Amsterdam to select a place where the group could settle. [G. O. Zabriskie, "New Netherlands and its Earliest Families", The Dutch Settlers Society of Albany Yearbook, 1970-1972, volume 43, pp6-8.] On September 14, 1623, near the Madeira Islands, the Pigeon continued toward the wild coast of South America (Guiana) where the Dutch were attempting to displace the Portuguese. The Mackerel turned westward toward the West Indies. The Pigeon's voyage failed and deForest was killed. The Mackerel followed the American coast and reached the Hudson River on Dec 12, 1623. At Esopus (near the present Kingston) the Mackerel found a few traders with some goods, and two boats left behind earlier in the year by Adriaen Jeriszen Tienpont, the skipper for a Zeeland merchant. The Mackerel continued up the Hudson to the site of the soon-to-be-built Fort Orange (present-day Albany) and found at least five ships and boats including the Falling Nut Tree (a 32-ton yacht). The Falling Nut Tree had a number of men (caretaking crew and traders) living on board. The ship Eendracht ("Unity"), skippered by Tienpont, sailed from Amsterdam on Jan 25, 1624, with an advance party of colonists. Two months later, around Mar 30, 1624, the main body of colonists sailed on the Nieu Nederlands with Cornelis Jacobsen May as skipper and 30 families on board. Fort Orange, until about 1661, was considered the frontier town on the northern and western borders of the province. Beyond this was the "far west", little known and less explored, wholly abandoned to the wild savage or wild beasts of prey. [J. Munnell, The Annals of Albany, Volume II, Albany 1870 (micro published in "New York County and Regional Histories and Atlases", No. 49)] The first record of Hendrick is found on Jul 23, 1658, when he was sued at Fort Orange by Pieter Bronck for fl. 170 for beer and wine received. ( Zabriskie, G. O. "The Wiltsie Family of Early New York." The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, July 1975, volume 106 (Number 3), pp 129-133.) Hendrick denied the debt saying that his partner had made the purchase. Bronck was ordered to prove the debt and there are no subsequent court records on the matter. The name of Hendrick's partner is not known. On August 13, 1658, at Fort Orange, 15 Mohawk Indians made a request for a french speaking individual to accompany them and their French captives (including Louis Paraget) to assist them at Trois Rivieres in New France (Quebec) in a prisoner exchange and a general peace negotiation. Hendrick Martinsen (called "a soldier named Henry Martin" in a letter he carried) responded to a public offer of "one hundred guilders for his trouble" and agreed to make the trip. The party left Fort Orange on August 16, the Indians promised to return Hendrick within 40 days. There is no record of Hendrick's return, however, another French-speaking soldier (Jacob Begyn) left Fort Orange for Quebec on October 9 with some of the same Indians who had traveled with Hendrick, so it can be assumed that Hendrick's party had returned earlier. The next record of Hendrick in Fort Orange appears on June 10, 1659, when Roelof Swartwout sued Hendrick Martensen for "the sum of fl. 93.5" arising from beer and brandy received by Hendrick. Hendrick admitted the debt but said it was paid. The court ordered payment of the balance within a month. Hendrick's last record in Fort Orange is dated Aug 21, 1659. On that date for "goods to his content and satisfaction...[portion missing]...", Hendrick Martensen van Copenhagen transferred to Lucas Dirckse "the sum of fifty guilders to be received in fatherland for his monthly wages and sustenance due him..." This notarial document was signed "This is the mark of Hendrick Martensen with his own handset." On this same date, he deeded property at Esopus to Lukas Dircksen. (Munsell, Collections of the History of Albany, VI., p.154.) Hendrick left Fort Orange late in August or soon thereafter and the next record of his activities is on January 10, 1660, when his marriage intention is recorded in the Dutch Reformed Church in New Amsterdam. (NY Gen. and Bio Records, Volume VI, p.14.) He is listed as Hendrick Martinszen, a previously unmarried man, born in Copenhagen. Hendrick married Margrietje ("Margaret") Meijering (also spelled Meyers, or Meyring, or Meyrinck), a widow of Herman Jansen van Lenneps. Margerietje and Herman had a son, Jan Hermansen (baptized April 17, 1658, in New Amsterdam). Jan is listed next to his stepfather, Hendrick Martinson, in a 1678 list of Newtown inhabitants. Jan Hermansen married Aeltje Abrahams (the intention was recorded on November 7, 1680, in the New York Dutch Reformed Church). Margrietje Meyers/Meijering, b. 1635, was the daughter of Jan Meyers and his wife Teuntje Straitsman. She and her half-brother Laurens Haff were born in the Dutch Colony of Fort Margaret, Brazil. Margrietje was probably of German ancestry. Her stepfather, Gabriel Carbosie, was German. Hendrick brought a suit against Herman van Borssum (Mar 16, 1660) in New Amsterdam Schepens Court for compensation for damages to a canoe caused when van Borssum sailed into his boat. (J. O. Evjen, "Scandinavian Immigrants in New York 1630-1674", K. C. Holter Publishing Co., Minneapolis, MN, 1916, pp 249-251. ) van Borssum denied that he had done any damage. In a second hearing (April 13, 1660) Margrietje appeared and stated that van Borssum had said that he would let the canoe be repaired. van Borssum admitted that he said this, but only to avoid trouble. The court instructed van Borssum to let the canoe be repaired and van Borssum promised he would. The court informed Margrietje Martensen of its decision and "ordered her to be satisfied therewith to prevent further costs." (The Records of New Amsterdam, III, p147 & p153). Later Hendrick joined the military garrison in Kingston, Ulster County, NY. Kingston is on the west shore of the Hudson River at the mouth of Rondout Creek, 90 miles north of New York City. The Dutch built a fort there in 1614 and the first permanent settlement on the site was established in 1652. It was known as Esopus until 1661 when Peter Stuyvesant granted the settlement a charter under the name of Wildwijk for "wild retreat" (Wiltwyck is the English version). The English gained control in 1664 and, in 1669, it was renamed Kingston. The first four of Hendrick and Margrietje's eight children were born here and baptized in the Dutch Reformed Church. The first child, Sophia Hendricks, was baptized on Dec 11, 1660 (R. R. Hoes, Baptismal and Marriage Register of the Old Dutch Church of Kingston). Hendrick Martensen (May 2, 1661) "drew a lot at Esopus: lot No. 2, and was allotted same" (New York Colonial Documents, XIII, p.195). This land was near an area that is now the town of Hurley (Nieuw Dorp). Hendrick appears on the muster roll of June 15, 1661, he was listed as a soldier at the Esopus garrison (New York Colonial Documents, XIII, p. 195). Court records of the period show two entries concerning Hendrick: he was sued on April 18, 1662, by Anthony Cruepel for wages due, and on December 12, 1662, by Jan Broersen for six months rent due. Hendrick was in the Esopus war in the summer of 1663. The Esopus war between the Indians and the Dutch began in 1658 and lasted almost 6 years. It began when some Indians employed as field workers by the Dutch became drunk and unruly and were fired upon by the Dutch. The Indians retaliated in a series of attacks, the most intense on June 7, 1663. Indians attacked Wiltwyck on Thursday, June 7, 1663, burned some of the houses and destroyed the "new village". Many of the village residents were killed (21) or injured and some (40) were taken captive. Hendrick Martensen, a soldier, was initially listed among those killed but it was discovered that he and one of his children were captured by the Indians (New York Colonial Documents, XIII, p. 245). Peter Stuyvesant, then governor of New Netherland, sent a force to retaliate and the Indians were quelled. A friendship treaty was negotiated in May 1664. It is not known which child was captured [Sophia (then 3‡ years old), Jannatje (6 months of age), or his stepson Jan (5 years old)]. There is no record of when Hendrick and his child were freed from their captors but it is probable that they were rescued in the battle between the Dutch and the Indians on September 5, 1663, three months after the massacre. Hendrick was sued on Dec 12, 1663, by Tjerck Claesen de Witt (the sheriff or "schout") for "ten guilders, heavy money, the balance of [Dominie Blom's] salary for the year 1662". Hendrick argued that he wasn't required to pay the minister's salary because "he is in the service of the company...further he has nothing to pay with, having been taken captive by the savages." The court ordered him to pay, stating that "for though in the service of the Honorable Company he nevertheless has a house and lot here." The English captured New Netherland in 1664 (renaming New Amsterdam and Fort Orange to New York and Albany, respectively) and Hendrick ended his service as a soldier. He was a corporal in the burgher guard in 1665. He and the other burghers of Wiltwyck signed a document, dated April 28, 1667 (New York Colonial Documents, XIII, p. 414), which stated that they had been in arms when Captain Brodhead had threatened to burn the village (the "Brodhead mutiny"). The last known record of Hendrick in Ulster County was a disposition signed as one of the burghers of Wiltwyck on April 28, 1668. Hendrick, Margaret, and the four children left Wiltwyck and the next record of the family is that of the baptism of their fifth child, Hendrick Hendricksen, on November 24, 1669, in the New York City Dutch Reformed Church. The Dutch reoccupied New Netherland in 1673-1674. Hendrick petitioned the court on November 14, 1673, about some matter concerning Staten Island (The Records of New Amsterdam, VII, p. 20). He was told to submit his petition "to the court at Staten Island to demand justice there from them, or otherwise act as he thinks proper; as this court has no connection with that of Staten Island." There are no details concerning the subject of the petition nor any further actions or outcomes. During this same period of Dutch reoccupation, Margaret joined the New York Dutch Reformed Church on May 31, 1674 (recorded as "Margriet Maijers, wife of Hendrick Martenszen"). The family lived in Newtown (Long Island) in the vicinity of the Hellgate (Hellegat). Hendrick's name appears on the Newtown rate lists for 1675, 1678, and 1683. Records in Newtown show that he purchased a farm on September 15, 1681, from Captain Thomas de Lavall for 100 gl. Hendrick was already living on the farm (38‡ morgen, or about 77 acres) near Hellgate with "houses build orchards gardens meadows pasture & Cominage". Hendrick sold his farm to his son Teunis in 1706 (James Riker, Jr., "The Annals of Newtown", New York, 1852). Hendrick Martensen was one of the patentees listed in Dongan's Patent to Newtown on November 25, 1686. Also, in 1686, Margaret was listed as a member of the Dutch Reformed Church ["Margriet Meyrinck, the wife of Hendrick Matrensen", living at Arme Bouwerye ("Poor Bowery" in Newtown)]. Hendrick and others were involved in a dispute over title to common land at Hellgate Neck (now Steinway, NY) in 1700. There are no accurate records that show when Hendrick and Margaret died, or where they are buried. An unsubstantiated report claims that Margaret died on June 26, 1704, and Hendrick died in 1712 (data collected by Miriam Fares Wilsey, wife of John E. Wilsey). Hendrick remarried following Margaret's death. The marriage intention of "Hendrick Martensen, widower, and Steentje, widow" was recorded on June 10, 1705, in the New York Lutheran Church. On June 26, 1705 "at the house of Mr. Pieter Woglum, Hendrick Martensen, widower, and an old widow, Steentje" were married. The last record of Hendrick was on May 29, 1707, when "Hendrick Wiltzen and Stijntje Ariane" witnessed a baptism in New York. The Dutch were rather indifferent about surnames and generally used their Christian names, even on legal documents with different variations of the surname and sometimes different surnames. Identification by occupation was common and in some cases, the occupation became the surname. In the 1680s, all heads of families were asked to use permanent surnames. Hendrick adopted the Wiltsie surname (perhaps because he and his child were captured by wild men when they were living at Wiltwyck). Hendrick Martensen (Wiltsie) van Copenhagen and his first wife Margrietje Meyers had eight children, the first four were baptized at Kingston and the others at New York Dutch Reformed Church. A fascinating, but unsubstantiated traditional account (Jerome WILTSE, Sr) has the name derived from the ancient name for the Baltic Sea and a river that emptied into it, the "Wilt-z" (Wild-sea) and the "Wilt-z River." Stabo, near the end of the first century, refers to a military camp named "Wilt-choten" (Wilt-camp or wild-camp near a river (the Wilt-z River). The Roman emperor Caesar referred to the Wilt-zi people of the Havel River country and Charlemagne refers to the Wiltzen among the nations in his Frankish empire in AD 800. The modern town of Wilt-z is on the Wilt-z River in the province of Dutch Luxembourg in the Netherlands.

Descendents of the marriage of Hendrick Martenzen WILTSE & wife, Margaret Meyers/Margaret Meyrinck: "New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch, First Book of Records 1660-1752, Translated & Edited by A.P.G. Jos Van der Linde, & Published by the Holland Society of NY, reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc. 1983.Spouses1Margaret MEYERS "MEYERINGH" Birth1635, Ft. Margaret, BrazilDeath26 Jun 1704, Newtown, Elmhurst, Long Island, NYFatherJan MEYRINCK (1604-)MotherTreuntje "Margrietje" STRAITSMAN (1604-1662)Marriage10 Jan 1660, Dutch Reformed Church, New Amsterdam, New YorkChildrenSophia Hendricks (ca1660->1725) Jennetje Hendricks (ca1662-1721) Barber Hendricks (ca1665-ca1666) Martin Hendricksen (1667->1742) Hendrick Hendricksen (ca1669-) Meyndert Hendricksen (ca1672-ca1700) Theunise Hendricksen (ca1673-1741) Jacob Hendricksen (ca1676-ca1742) Hendrick (ca1667-)2Steentje "Christina" ADRIANCEMarriage26 Jun 1705, Lutheran Church, New York, NY3Te GERHAGENMarriage20 Nov 1658, QuebecChildrenRobert Richard (ca1659-)4Aeltje ABRAMSMarriage7 Nov 1680, Dutch Reformed Church, Newtown, NYLast Modified 27 Aug 1999Created 25 Apr 2002 by Reunion for Macintosh

HM Wiltse appears in the New Netherlands records in Esopus as Hendrick Martenzen - On August 21, 1659, deeded property at Esopus to Lukas Dircksen. Munsell, [Collections on the History of … Albany, VI., p. 154.594]

On January 10, 1660, he married in New Amsterdam, Margaret Myrick (English name Meyers or Meyring), widow of Herman Jansen and daughter of Jan Meyrinck. It was at this time he used the description "Van Copenhagen" [The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record (quarterly), 1875, selected extracts]

Shortly after his marriage, he brought action, at New Amsterdam, against Herman van Borssum, demanding remuneration for damage to a canoe, which van Borssum committed by sailing against [p.250] it with his boat. At the first hearing, van Borssum denied that he had done any damage. At the second hearing, the wife of Martensen appeared against him, declaring that he had stated that he would let the canoe be repaired. Van Borssum admitted this and said he had stated this to prevent trouble. The court informed him that it was better to let the canoe be repaired than to proceed further, which would be more expensive. Van Borssum then promised he would repair the damages. The court informed Mrs. Martensen of this and "ordered her to be satisfied therewith to prevent further costs." [The Records of New Amsterdam, III., pp. 147, 153.595]

At the close of the year, Martensen was at Esopus, or Kingston, where his daughter Sophia was baptized, December 11, 1660. [R. R. Hoes, Baptismal and Marriage Register … of the old Dutch Church of Kingston.596]

On May 2, 1661, he "drew a lot at Esopus: lot No. 2, and was allotted same."New York Colonial Documents, XIII., p. 195.597 His name appears on the muster roll of the Garrison at Wiltwyck, June 15, 1661, and was there during the Esopus War of 1663. He was captured by the savages and reported killed [p. 245.599] but this proved to be a mistake, and he soon obtained his liberty. On April 28, 1667, he signed, with other burghers of Wiltwyck, a document, stating that they had been in arms in the Brodhead mutiny when Captain Brodhead had threatened to burn the village. [p. 414.600]

In 1673 Martensen petitioned the court of New Amsterdam to render judgment in a matter, not known to us, regarding Staten Island. This court, however, referred him "to the Court at Staten Island to demand justice there from them, or otherwise to act as he thinks proper; as this Court has no connection with that of Staten Island." [The Records of New Amsterdam, VII., p. 20.601]

In early records, Martensen was sometimes called Wiltsee. He is the ancestor of many families bearing this name, commonly written Wiltze, Wiltsee, Wiltse, Wilsey, and Wiltsie.

Timeline

A series of well-documented articles written by George Olin Zabriski, as "The Wiltsie Family of Early New York," published as a multipart series in The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record. The first appeared in volume 106, number 3, July 1975 pp 129-133; this discusses HENDRICK MARTENSEN WILTSIE VAN COPENHAGEN and his family. The "Second Generation" article appeared in October 1975, pp 208-211. The "Third Generation Article" appeared in volume 107, January 1976, pp 13-20; the "Fourth Generation" article appeared in April 1976, pp 81-90. More of the "Fourth Generation" and "Additions and Corrections of the Third Generation" appeared in July 1976, pp 157-161, and in October 1976, pp 211-217. Zabriskie also wrote an excellent piece (January 1977, pp 32-36) "The Wiltsie Family of Early New York: An Interesting, But False Walloon Ancestry" in which he dismisses Jerome Wiltse's account of Philippe Maton Wiltsee.

From this article series:

  • The roster of The Dutch Settlers Society of Albany states that Hendrick Martense Wiltsie (van Copenhagen) settled in the Albany area in 1658.
  • First known record: 23 July 1658: he was sued at Fort Orange (now Albany) by Pieter Bronck for fl. 170 for beer and wine received. Hendrick denied the debt; said it was his partner (not named) who bought it.
  • 13 Aug 1658, Fort Orange, 15 Mohawks requested someone who spoke French well accompany them and their French captives to assist them in what is now Quebec. Hendrick Martensen agreed to make the trip.
  • Joined military garrison at Kingston, Ulster Co., NY where his first four children were baptized in the Dutch Reformed church, starting in 1660.
  • March 1661 assigned No. 2 in the New Lots at Esopus (now Hurley)
  • 15 Jun 1661: the name appears on the muster roll
  • 18 April 1662: sued by Anthony Cruepel for wages due
  • 12 Dec 1662: sued by Jan Broerson for six months rent due
  • 7 Jun 1663: one of his children taken captive by the Esopus Indians when they attacked Wiltwyck. His children at that time were Sophia, 3.5 years, Jannetje, 6 months, step-son Jan Hermansen, 5. Hendrick was reported as killed, but he was taken captive. he and his child were probably among the captives taken from the Indians in September 1663.
  • 29 Dec 1663: sued by Tjerck Claesen de Witt for 10 guilders [towards minister’s salary]. Hendrick claimed he was not required to pay the minister’s salary because “he is in service of the Company... further... he has nothing to pay with, having been taken captive by the savages.” He was ordered to pay anyway.
  • 1664: English captured New Netherlands
  • 1665: Corporal of burgher guard.
  • 28 Apr 1668: signed deposition as one of the burghers at Wiltwyck.Last known record of him in the Ulster County area.
  • Removed after the 1669 baptism of his son to Newtown.
  • Name appears in Newtown Rate Lists 1675, 1678, 1683
  • 15 Sep 1681: purchased from Capt. Thomas de Level for 100 gl a farm of 38.5 morgens (about 77 acres) near Hellgate. May have sold this land to son Teunis in 1706.
  • 1700 he and others involved in an argument over the title to common lands at Hellgate Neck (now Steinway, NY).
  • His wife was a member of the Reformed church; Hendrick was a Lutheran.
  • 26 Jun 1705: as a widower, married Steentje, a widow at NY Lutheran Church
  • 29 May 1707: last record of him: witnessing, with wife #2, a baptism.

Arrival

1660 New York, New York[1]

Marriage

1660 [2]

Death

1712 Newton, Queens, New York, USA

Church records

  • 1660 Jan 10 Hendrick Martenszen, j.m. Van Coppenhagen, en Margariet Meijers, Wede. Van Herman Janszen. [3]
  1. 1660 Dec 10 Sophia, Hendrick Martensen, of Coppenhage, soldier, Margriet Meyringh, or Meyers. Wit.: Christiaen Niesen Romp, Jan Jansen, carpenter, Geertruy Andriesen, Aeltjen Claas. [4]
  2. 1663 Jan 07 Jannetjen, Hendrick Martensen, Margriet Maejerts. Wit.: Marten Hoffman, Walrave de Mont, Elsjen Hendricks. [4]
  3. 1665 Mar 01 Barber, Hendrick Martensen, Margriet Maeyeringh. Wit.: Joost Arensen, Margriet Chambers. [4]
  4. 1667 Apr 03 Marten, Hendrick Martensen, Margriet Meyeringhs. Wit.: Mattys Capito, Louies Haff, Barentje Hansen, Marretje Symens. [4]
  5. 1669 Nov 24 Hendrick, Hendrick Martenszen, Margrietie Meiring. Wit.: Gabriel Corbozij. [5]
  6. 1672 Feb 11 Meijndert, Hendrick Martenszen, Margariet Meijnarts. Wit.: Jacobje Meijnarts. [5]
  7. 1674 Jan 10 Theunis, Hendrick Martenszen, Grietie Meijerts. Wit.: Jacob Mens, Anna Tielemans. [5]
  8. 1676 Mar 18 Jacob, Hendrick Martenszen, Marie Mijrincks. Wit.: Tieleman Jacobszen, Jan Pieterszen Bosch, Wijntie Theunis. [5]
  • 1705 Jun 10 Henrich Martensen, widower, and Steentje, widow [sic]. [6]

Research notes

removed a source of ancestry dna during merger with wiltsee-66

LNAB

Wiltsee is the surname given by the Huguenot Society of America for this family. The New Netherland Settlers project uses the names given by the society for the immigrant ancestors of the family. Quackenbush-118 05:21, 11 February 2017 (EST)

Hendrik was born about 1623. He passed away about 1712.

Sources

  1. Source: #S-2054745857: Place: New York, New York; Year: 1660; Page Number: 249. Note: Ancestry Record pili354 #2274108 Arrival date: 1660Arrival place: New York, New York APID: 1,7486::2274108
  2. Yates
  3. Samuel S. Purple. "Marriages from 1639 to 1801 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York" In Collections of the New-York Genealogical and Biographical Society. Vol. I. New York: Printed for the Society, 1890.
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 Roswell Randall Hoes. Baptismal and Marriage Registers of the Old Dutch Church of Kingston, Ulster County, New York: (formerly Named Wiltwyck, and Often Familiarly Called Esopus or 'Sopus), for One Hundred and Fifty Years from Their Commencement in 1660. New York: De Vinne Press, 1891.
  5. 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3
  6. Theodore M. Banta. "Some Early Records of the Lutheran Church, New York" in Year Book of the Holland Society of New York. New York: Knickerbocker Press, New York, 1903.
  • Evjen, John O. Scandinavian Immigrants in New York, 1630-1674: With Appendices on Scandinavians in Mexico and South America, 1532-1640, Scandinavians in Canada, 1619-1620, Some Scandinavians in New York in the Eighteenth Century, German Immigrants in New York, 1630-1674. Minneapolis, Minn. 1916. Print. p. 249-251.
  • Source S-2054745857: Repository: #R-2084255971: Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s: by Gale Research: Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009.Original data - Filby, P. William, ed.. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Farmington Hills, MI, USA: Gale Research, 2009. Note:  : APID: 1,7486::0: Repository R-2084255971:




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Wiltsee-66 and Wiltsee-8 appear to represent the same person because: same dates, same wife, same parents
posted by Robin Lee
Philippe Maton is not the father of Hendrick. This seems to be just an easy connection for some genealogists. Also Hendrick was not French. You can tell just by looking at his name. Martensen, implies that his fathers name would have been MARTEN NOT MATON OR PHILIPPE. This is equivalent of saying Matthew and Martin are the same name. Maton is derived from Matthew via through Latin. Ultimately similar names to this would be Mattheus and Mathieu. While Martensen also would derive from Latin via Martinus which ultimately derives from Mars. These two names are very different. Some say that Maton is the same as Martin but it isn't. Now I've seen many argue on other genealogy websites that his last name Wiltsie or Wiltzee doesn't follow Danish naming patterns. Well why would it? He was living in a Dutch colony and as a result you had to "Dutchify" your name in order to live there and to blend in. The same thing that the Germans did when they came to English colonies. If he was Dutch and followed Dutch naming patterns such as adding "son" to his name it would appear more like zoon or szen, like Hendrick Martenszoon or Martenszen. The suffix "Sen" is only common in Northern Germany and Scandinavia and occasionally the Netherlands, although there it is usually in the form of "szen". We must remember as well that many Scandinavians came to New Netherland and the colony wasn't just Dutch and Walloon. Some notable Scandinavians include Hans Hansen Bergen, Symon Van Arsdalen, Van Nordstrand Brothers, Hans and Jacob and I believe another family named Roeloffs was originally Scandinavian, but since they lived in a Dutch colony it didn't take long for the name to appear more like Roeloffszoon or some form of that. Bergen was referred to as a "Noorman" which means Northman or one from Norway. The Nordstrand brothers eventually had their name Dutchified to Van Oostrand or Hanszen. Arsdalen as a place sounds extremely Scandinavian, the suffix of "Dalen" gives it away. This term derives from the Old Norse word Dalir which would mean valley. Now of course the suffix may not be the case for the town of Arsdale on the island of Bornholm from which he came, but this can be seen when areas are named Berg in Germany where there are no mountains.

Moving away from the point above about toponymics. The reason why Philippe Maton is the popular choice for the father of Hendrick is because of some confusing story as to how his name became Wiltzee or Wiltse. I've read the story and get confused by it so much. It was supposedly where Philippe had held lands or something of the sorts and so as a result his son takes that name as his surname. Even though Hendrick once identified that he was from Copenhagen. Which wouldn't make sense because most Huguenots who fled to Denmark didn't actually go to Copenhagen. It seems the largest area in Denmark settled was Fredericia. Also lets just say that Philippe fled to the Netherlands to escape the Spaniards and the French, he would have already have been quite safe in the Netherlands, going to Copenhagen would just seem to be out of the way. Furthermore, Wiltse is more than likely a "Dutchified" variant of a Scandinavian surname. In short I'm not going to say I have the answer as to why he was identified by this name.

Aside from that I feel his religion provides a hint to his origin. It's stated above that him and his wife were Lutherans. Well one thing I do know as a historian, Lutheranism is not common in any of the Benelux countries, especially not in France or Belgium, not even in the the Netherlands. Where it is common is Germany and Scandinavia. Lutheranism never got a major foothold in the Netherlands, due to the influence of Calvinism by John Calvin mostly by geographic proximity. The Dutch Reformed Church is a Calvinistic church similar to Puritanism. Lutheranism on the other hand gained a major foothold in Denmark and other Scandinavian countries, this was because the Scandinavian's had holdings in Germany, this was mostly Sweden at the time. It was a case of politics as well since the Scandinavian churches still were outwardly "catholic" in a sense. Therefore seeing his name as Martensen, along with being identified with Copenhagen and being of the Lutheran religion, I deduce that he is Scandinavian and not French.

Philippe Maton is popular because many genealogists have this obsession with connecting themselves to aristocracy or someone famous which is cringe and annoying. To add to that many of the "History of Family" books written back in the 19th and 20th centuries don't help because those books are full of nonsense about how their ancestor was nobility or was special in some way. I encourage all genealogists to view these books with heavy skepticism because there is usually a lot of nonsense in those books that should not be taken as fact. Sometimes there is just a certain point in family history where we simply don't know who our ancestors were. Sometimes they were just random people, and there is nothing written about them.

Here are some sources for certain parts of my thesis:

https://www.ushistory.org/Us/4a.asp

https://ngsmonthly.ngsgenealogy.org/dutch-naming-systems-in-early-america/

https://www.unlockyourhistory.com/post/understanding-sen-and-son-in-a-name-johnson-janson-and-jansen

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283246184_The_Long_History_of_Lutheranism_in_Scandinavia_From_State_Religion_to_the_People's_Church

https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Maton#:~:text=Last%20name%3A%20Maton&text=This%20name%20derives%20from%20Mat,and%20in%20the%20French%20Mathieu.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martensen

posted by Giles Anon
edited by Giles Anon
Having uncovered much information on the 1621 Round-Robin Petition, I would hazard to suggest that there is a mix-up, either on the Philip Maton who signed the petition or on the name of his wife... Of the son Hendrick, if his story is true it is fascinating, and just on a cursory glimpse might hold some nuggets of truth, and if that be the case I think the following might pertain to him:

1658 August 15—At Fort Orange (Albany) Vice-director La Montagne provided an introductory letter addressed to M. De la Poterie, governor of the Three Rivers, Canada, stating that the Mohawks desired a peace with them, as with the Indians of Canada, and that the Mohawks wished to exchange four French prisoners for six of their people held by the French. GEHRING (1654), p198; O'Callaghan v.1-3, p367 n125

"Sir, The Indians, called Maquas by us, have come here on the 13th of this month, bringing with them a Frenchman named Louis Paraget, whom (as they told us) they desire to return to your Lordship with two others, in exchange for six of their people who are held prisoner there, trying at the same time to conclude a general peace with all the Indians in your region. And as they dare not do it themselves, they have asked me urgently to assist them with someone who has knowledge of the French language to help them in this matter. I could hardly refuse them this for fear of causing an obstacle or ruining an opportunity to do a good work. For this reason I have dispatched this soldier, bearer hereof, name Henry Maertin, to serve them in this work according to his ability. I hope that your Lordship will take in good part what I am doing, which only proceeds from good intentions and affection. Meanwhile, I remain (after my humble compliments) Sir,

Your very humble and obedient servant LaMontagne

At Fort Orange 15 August 1658. "

[Note, LaMontagne lived at Leiden and was one of the signers of the Round-Robin. Also, LaMontagne's Brother-in-law Hendrick de Forest was the supercargo aboard the ship that first landed at the Delaware River settlement post massacred.]

posted by Jim Maxwell
edited by Jim Maxwell
Hi Bob, please complete the merge into the NNS Wiltsee-8. It is now only waiting on you, and needs to be done before the children, etc., to avoid disconnects.

Wiltsie can be an aka.

posted by Steven Mix
I have performed some "clean-up" following the merge(s) of the profile and have added some biographical information regarding Hendrick. More information about the massacre where his father was killed has been added to his brother, Pierre's profile. It is my opinion that the Huguenot reference be removed from Hendrick's profile and that he be added to the list of soldiers that participated in the Revolutionary War.
posted by Janne (Shoults) Gorman
I have approved the merger of Wiltsie-3 and Wiltsee-8. I believe project members need to take it from there. Thank you all for your interest and concern.
posted by Jim Crawford
The contents of this profile include multiple "Biography" sections as the result of merges and should be "cleaned up." I have requested to become a member of the New Netherland Settlers project. Is it okay to perform routine maintenance on this profile?
posted by Janne (Shoults) Gorman
Wilsze-1 and Wiltsee-8 appear to represent the same person because: The information for the profile Wilsze-1 is meager, but it is the same as that for profile Wiltsee-8.
posted by Michael Foos
G2G reply is now useless, requiring an extra login with the new format changeover, so I am confining Comments to here:

Michael's email response on April 28, 2014 was:

"Unfortunately my records are all secondary references; I have no copies of original documents. The form of the name that was in my reference was "Wilsze". From earlier emails I have concluded that there must have been a typo omitting the "t" somewhere in the past."

"Having observed various forms of names from multiple countries I am lead to think that the spelling "Wiltse" is probably the original form of the name, or close to it."

So, best consensus alternatives are to build a new Martenzen patronymic, or to accept the current Wiltsee as is, for this generation.

Let's set a tentative deadline, of say one week, by Wed. June 4, 2014, to decide one way or the other, on just each of these two generations.

posted by Steven Mix
I am copying here some comments from email discussion. There are two G2G discussions: Wiltsee/Wilsze/Wiltse? and Wilsze into Wiltsee?

But, first of all, the entire discussions in the G2Gs are completely off base - there is no patronymic involved, with anybody named Wil or Wilt, that we know of.

As Hendrick's father was Maton (Marten) then it explains why this Hendrick has the middle name (patronymic) Martenzen. I doubt that both father and son were named Maton. And indeed, Hendrick's children show up as Hendricksen in a couple middle name cases, again, the patronymic.

So, the bottom line is that I think Hendrick may have adopted the Wiltsee name later in life, as per Jim's Comment. But Hendrick should be LNAB Martenzen, if we are going to apply the patronymic before merging.

In the interest of merging, it might be easiest to just keep Wiltsee for this profile, rather than try to create the patronymic. Is there any consensus either way?

Descendants of Hendrick appear to have continued their adoption of the name Wiltsee and Wiltse, but also to have used the patronymics, so I would be careful to not try to apply any general rule to all of them.

posted by Steven Mix
The ship name could well be the New Netherland. This information was obtained through the information in previously merged profiles (probably Maton-29)
posted by Jim Crawford
I couldn't find a passenger list for a 1623 sailing of New Amsterdam (nor could I find reference to such a ship - could it have been the New Netherland?)
posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett