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John James Yates (1790 - 1886)

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Reverend John James [uncertain] Yates
Born in Culpeper Co., Vamap
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Husband of — married about in Tennesseemap
Husband of — married about in Halifax VAmap
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Died in White Co., TNmap
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Biography

John was born about 1790. John Yates was the son of Thomas Yates and Pheby Combs. He passed away about 1886.


"REV. JOHN YATES. METHODIST PREACHER AND HIS THIRTY-THREE CHILDREN" "Rev. John Yates, an early Methodist preacher, settled in Hickory Valley, White County, neighbor to the Lewis, Wallace, Passon and other families. Some of his descandants are said to have been prominant in WHITE COUNTY, and he appears to have had plenty of descendants, in view of the fact that he became the father of no less than thirty-three children. He used to preach out in the Cumberland mountains and it is said that he would sometimes ride to his appointments steer-back, always riding a steer who could climb the long steep hills. For some mysterious reason, never explained, he had killed his horse with a pocket-knife, slitting its throat. This crime (?) took place under a poplar tree, whose leaves thereafter all turned white, and the people said it was because of the cold-blooded act of Parson Yates. It was the only known "White-Leaf Poplar" in WHITE COUNTY. Rev. John Yates lived to be ninety-six years of age."

Worth S. Ray, Tennessee Cousins, A History of Tennessee People, p. 520.

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Name: John Yates Event Place: Lewisburg, Greenbrier, (West) Virginia Page Number: 197 Affiliate Publication Number: M33 Affiliate Film Number: 132 GS Film number: 0193691 Digital Folder Number: 004433293 Image Number: 00173 1820 United States Census

Name: John Yates Event Place: Not Stated, Greenbrier, (West) Virginia Page Number: 209 Affiliate Publication Number: M19 Affiliate Film Number: 190 GS Film number: 0029669 Digital Folder Number: 004411234 Image Number: 00425 1830 United States Census

Name: John Yates Event Type: Census Event Date: 1850 Event Place: White county, White, Tennessee, United States Gender: Male Age: 60 Marital Status: Race (Original): Race: Birthplace: Virginia Birth Year (Estimated): 1790 House Number: 284 Family Number: 284 Line Number: 33 Affiliate Publication Number: M432 Affiliate Film Number: 900 GS Film number: 444856 Digital Folder Number: 004206057 Image Number: 00048 Household Gender Age Birthplace John Yates M 60 Virginia Elizabeth Yates F 58 Tennessee Viny Yates F 26 Tennessee John Yates M 22 Tennessee Elizabeth Yates F 17 Tennessee Larkin Yates M 15 Tennessee Wyat Yates M 13 Tennessee John H Graham M 8 Tennessee 1850 United States Census

Name: John Yeates Residence: Van Buren, Tennessee Minor Civil Division: [Blank] Age (Expanded): 69 years Birth Year (Estimated): 1791 Birthplace: Virginia Gender: Male Page: 5 Household ID: Affiliate Publication Number: M653 GS Film number: 805277 Digital Folder Number: 4297419 Image Number: 00009 1860 United States Census

Name: John Yates Event Type: Census Event Date: 1880 Event Place: District 2, Van Buren, Tennessee, United States Gender: Male Age: 87 Marital Status: Married Occupation: Minister Of Gospel Race (Original): W Ethnicity: American Relationship to Head of Household: Self Birthplace: Virginia, United States Birth Date: 1793 Spouse's Name: Rose A. Yates Spouse's Birthplace: Tennessee, United States Father's Name: Father's Birthplace: Virginia, United States Mother's Name: Mother's Birthplace: Virginia, United States Page: 249 Page Letter: C Entry Number: 344 Affiliate Film Number: T9-1283 GS Film number: 1255283 Digital Folder Number: 004244663 Image Number: 00505 Household Gender Age Birthplace Self John Yates M 87 Virginia, United States Wife Rose A. Yates F 46 Tennessee, United States Daughter Lodumona Yates F 23 Tennessee, United States Son Lee Yates M 17 Tennessee, United States Son Jabuz Yates M 16 Tennessee, United States Son Wayman S. Yates M 14 Tennessee, United States Son Basefiend Yates M 11 Tennessee, United States Daughter Lucinda Yates F 7 Tennessee, United States Daughter Mary E. Yates F 3 Tennessee, United States Son Luther C. Yates M 5 Tennessee, United States Daughter Ann A. Yates F 1 Tennessee, United States 1880 United States Census




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On 24 Jul 2012 Alan Wyatt wrote:

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"My Daddy did not grow up in Sparkmantown;.....and did not have a total grasp on the fact that, for all the talking that was done, there were a few things that just weren't talked about in Sparkmantown. One of these things innocently popped up in conversation one night when we were visiting down at Grover's. Daddy was telling about some of the strange stories that he had heard since coming to Van Buren County,...and gave an example of a situation in which a Van Buren County man had left his wife at home and gone away to fight in the War Between the States,.....was not heard from for a long period of time;...his wife figured he was dead...so she married someone else. Then, a while later, the "original" husband came home and found his wife living with a "new" husband. The "new" husband and the "original" husband were said to have sat down to work things out;...and at the end of the discussion, the "original" husband rode away carrying the "new" husband's prize shotgun...and the "new" husband kept the wife. Daddy told this story in the spirit of good humor;....but I remember things being sort of quiet there in Grover's & Angie's house for a few minutes after Daddy told that story.

When we had finished our visit, and were in the truck headed for home, Mama said to Daddy, "I wish I could have reached and pinched you while you were telling about that shotgun trade;.....THAT WAS GROVER'S GRANDPA!" I remember things being sort of quiet there in the truck the rest of the way home.

More than forty years later, something nudged a compartment in my memory, and the conversation of that evening at Grover's & Angies was recalled. At this time, however, with age having diverted my curiosity toward non-childish things,...I proceeded to go looking for the identity of Grover's GRAND-MA...(since it was reasonable that she might have been closely involved with some of the capers of Grover's GRAND-PA).

Of Grover's two grandmas, I quickly focused on his maternal grandma....Rosie McBride Hayes Yates.

Rosie McBride appears to have given birth to an illegitemate daughter, Lodema, sometime in the mid-1850's. I say this because Lodema used the name McBride when she got married to Drew Spears many years later.

According to the Van Buren County, Tennessee marriage records, Rosie married Jacob Hayes (Hais) on November 1, 1855. The 1850 census found a Jacob Hayes living in the household of Amanda Hayes in District 11 of White County . It would seem reasonable that this was the same Jacob Hayes that married Rosie.

I have not yet found where Jacob and Rosie were living when the 1860 census was taken.

Madison Hayes,...however, is found in the 1860 census....living in the household of John Yates, a preacher who gained considerable notoriety in his time. Preacher John Yates is said to have been born in Virginia in 1791,....and to have participated in the War of 1812. He is credited with having killed his horse by cutting its throat with a pocket knife;...and with riding a STEER thereafter,...with wearing a six-shooter while he preached,....and being the father of 33 children (I have found the names of more than 20 of them).

I find that Jacob Hayes and James M. Hayes (James Madison Hayes, without a doubt) both joined the Confederate Army at the same place on the same day....Camp Smartt in Warren County, Tennessee...on September 6, 1861. Both went to Company C, 35th Tennessee. It is believable that these two Hayes boys were well acquainted;...and possibly related. I have not established, however, that they were brothers." "My Daddy did not grow up in Sparkmantown;.....and did not have a total grasp on the fact that, for all the talking that was done, there were a few things that just weren't talked about in Sparkmantown. One of these things innocently popped up in conversation one night when we were visiting down at Grover's. Daddy was telling about some of the strange stories that he had heard since coming to Van Buren County,...and gave an example of a situation in which a Van Buren County man had left his wife at home and gone away to fight in the War Between the States,.....was not heard from for a long period of time;...his wife figured he was dead...so she married someone else. Then, a while later, the "original" husband came home and found his wife living with a "new" husband. The "new" husband and the "original" husband were said to have sat down to work things out;...and at the end of the discussion, the "original" husband rode away carrying the "new" husband's prize shotgun...and the "new" husband kept the wife. Daddy told this story in the spirit of good humor;....but I remember things being sort of quiet there in Grover's & Angie's house for a few minutes after Daddy told that story.

When we had finished our visit, and were in the truck headed for home, Mama said to Daddy, "I wish I could have reached and pinched you while you were telling about that shotgun trade;.....THAT WAS GROVER'S GRANDPA!" I remember things being sort of quiet there in the truck the rest of the way home.

More than forty years later, something nudged a compartment in my memory, and the conversation of that evening at Grover's & Angies was recalled. At this time, however, with age having diverted my curiosity toward non-childish things,...I proceeded to go looking for the identity of Grover's GRAND-MA...(since it was reasonable that she might have been closely involved with some of the capers of Grover's GRAND-PA).

Of Grover's two grandmas, I quickly focused on his maternal grandma....Rosie McBride Hayes Yates.

Rosie McBride appears to have given birth to an illegitemate daughter, Lodema, sometime in the mid-1850's. I say this because Lodema used the name McBride when she got married to Drew Spears many years later.

According to the Van Buren County, Tennessee marriage records, Rosie married Jacob Hayes (Hais) on November 1, 1855. The 1850 census found a Jacob Hayes living in the household of Amanda Hayes in District 11 of White County . It would seem reasonable that this was the same Jacob Hayes that married Rosie.

I have not yet found where Jacob and Rosie were living when the 1860 census was taken.

Madison Hayes,...however, is found in the 1860 census....living in the household of John Yates, a preacher who gained considerable notoriety in his time. Preacher John Yates is said to have been born in Virginia in 1791,....and to have participated in the War of 1812. He is credited with having killed his horse by cutting its throat with a pocket knife;...and with riding a STEER thereafter,...with wearing a six-shooter while he preached,....and being the father of 33 children (I have found the names of more than 20 of them).

I find that Jacob Hayes and James M. Hayes (James Madison Hayes, without a doubt) both joined the Confederate Army at the same place on the same day....Camp Smartt in Warren County, Tennessee...on September 6, 1861. Both went to Company C, 35th Tennessee. It is believable that these two Hayes boys were well acquainted;...and possibly related. I have not established, however, that they were brothers."

We have enough written documents to be reasonably sure that.....Rosie McBride Hayes and Preacher John Yates......set up housekeeping.... while Jacob Hayes was away "doing his patriotic duty" in the War between the States. We also have information that, not-withstanding the preacher's age, Rosie gave birth to at least seven children named Yates:

(1) Lee Grant Yates, born Jan. 21, 1862 (possibly the child of Jacob Hayes,..."adopted" by the Preacher), (2) Jabel Yates, born Feb. 14, 1863 (3) Wayman Yates, born 1866, (4) Lucinda Yates, born July 8, 1871, (5) Barfine Yates, born March, 1872, (6) Luther Clinton Yates, born November 4, 1875, and (7) Mary Evaline Yates, born 1877

I do not know what eventually happened to Jacob Hayes,...nor do I know if he became an avid quail hunter and frequently purchased shotgun shells in the years following the War between the States;....and I have never found a single word of text that confirms that the "shotgun trade" actually happened....(I doubt that I ever could).

Given, however,....the memory of those few words my Daddy spoke...in innocent fun...that night in old Sparkmantown so many years ago...and the remarkable consistencies in the public documents crying out to suggest that those spoken words might have hit close to the brutal truth;....I suppose I now understand why a few moments of silence followed the "funny story" Daddy told. More About JOHN YATES: Fact 1: 1860 Van Buren County Census, listed as Minister of the Gospel Fact 2: 1870 Van Buren County census, listed as Farm Laborer

More About ROSANN MCBRIDE: Fact 1: May 1833, Birth as listed on Headstone Fact 2: Burial in McElroy Cemetery, Van Buren County, Tennessee

Children of JOHN YATES and ROSANN MCBRIDE are: 2. i. LODEMA2 YATES, b. August 14, 1854; d. October 15, 1923, Van Buren County, Tennessee. 3. ii. LEE GRANT YATES, b. January 21, 1862; d. June 7, 1897, Van Buren County, Tennessee. 4. iii. JABEZ YATES, b. February 14, 1863; d. April 20, 1938. iv. WAYMON YATES, b. 1866; d. Unknown. 5. v. LUCINDA YATES, b. July 8, 1871; d. February 25, 1947, Van Buren County, Tennessee. 6. vi. BARFIN YATES, b. March 28, 1872, Van Buren County, Tennessee; d. May 3, 1907, Van Buren County, Tennessee. vii. LUTHER CLINTON YATES, b. November 4, 1875; d. August 14, 1942, Van Buren County, Tennessee; m. ISA JOSEPHINE STEAKLEY; b. August 24, 1881; d. August 11, 1934, Van Buren County, Tennessee. More About LUTHER CLINTON YATES: Fact 1: Burial in McElroy Cemetery, Bone Cave, Tennessee



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On 17 Feb 2015 at 20:30 GMT Alan Wyatt wrote:

On 16 Nov 2013 at 23:03 GMT Richard Yates wrote:

Does anyone have accurate info on John Yates B. 1775 Culpeper County,Va

M. 24 December 1812 Va D. 15Dec 1851 Culpeper County Va Contact dickyates@gmail.com

On 24 Jul 2012 at 00:14 GMT Alan Wyatt wrote:

More About JOHN YATES:

Fact 1: 1860 Van Buren County Census, listed as Minister of the Gospel Fact 2: 1870 Van Buren County census, listed as Farm Laborer

More About ROSANN MCBRIDE: Fact 1: May 1833, Birth as listed on Headstone Fact 2: Burial in McElroy Cemetery, Van Buren County, Tennessee

Children of JOHN YATES and ROSANN MCBRIDE are: 2. i. LODEMA2 YATES, b. August 14, 1854; d. October 15, 1923, Van Buren County, Tennessee. 3. ii. LEE GRANT YATES, b. January 21, 1862; d. June 7, 1897, Van Buren County, Tennessee. 4. iii. JABEZ YATES, b. February 14, 1863; d. April 20, 1938. iv. WAYMON YATES, b. 1866; d. Unknown. 5. v. LUCINDA YATES, b. July 8, 1871; d. February 25, 1947, Van Buren County, Tennessee. 6. vi. BARFIN YATES, b. March 28, 1872, Van Buren County, Tennessee; d. May 3, 1907, Van Buren County, Tennessee. vii. LUTHER CLINTON YATES, b. November 4, 1875; d. August 14, 1942, Van Buren County, Tennessee; m. ISA JOSEPHINE STEAKLEY; b. August 24, 1881; d. August 11, 1934, Van Buren County, Tennessee.

On 24 Jul 2012 at 00:13 GMT Alan Wyatt wrote:

Children of JOHN YATES and LAVINA COLLINS are:

xix. WOODSON2 YATES, b. 1812, Tennessee; d. Unknown; m. MAHALA; d. Unknown. 8. xx. LEVI YATES, b. June 28, 1813, Tennessee; d. March 13, 1900. xxi. ELI YATES, b. 1814, Tennessee; d. Unknown; m. LOUISA (ELIZA) B. LEWIS, August 9, 1838, White County, Tennessee; d. Unknown. 9. xxii. ARWINE YATES, b. September 15, 1815, Tennessee; d. June 9, 1886. Children of JOHN YATES and ELIZABETH NICHOLS are: x. ALFRED2 YATES, b. 1821, Tennessee; d. Unknown; m. SARAH RAMSEY, September 24, 1843, White County, Tennessee; d. Unknown. Notes for ALFRED YATES: A Alfred Yates listed in 1850 White County Census, District II (there's a 3 year difference in 1860 Alfred Yeates).

On 17 Jul 2012 at 18:41 GMT Alan Wyatt wrote:

On 17 Jul 2012 at 18:26 GMT Alan Wyatt wrote:



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