Eliza (Young) Green (1839 - 1926)

Born 7 May 1839 in Shoreditch, London, England

Ancestors

Wife of Isaac Green — married 5 Jan 1865 (to about 1880) in Baptist Chapel, Perth, Tasmania, Australia

Descendants

Died 9 Jan 1926 at age 86 in Collinsvale, Tasmania

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Biography

Eliza was born 7 May 1839 in Chapel Street, Shoreditch, in London, England to parents Frederick (aka Shadrack) YOUNG (aka YOUNGS) and Eliza MALLOWS.^[1]

1841 Census: 16 Labon[?Sabour] Court, St Mary Mounthaw, London Within the Walls, Middlesex, England, we find four households:^[2]

• H. G. KING wife & child, Carman
• Steph CLEMENT, wife & 4 children, day labourer
• Chas BROOKS, 35 , labourer, N [=not born county]
• And 'our' family:

1. Fred’k YOUNG, 30, [no occupation], N
2. Eliz’h do, 25, N
3. Fred’k do, 4, Y [= born in County Middlesex]
4. Eliza do, 2, Y

Little is known about her early life in London, but one assumes it was not easy. Her father was twice convicted of stealing from his employer.

In 1849 her parents were arrested; her father for stealing from his employer, and her mother for receiving stolen goods. Frederick snr was found guilty, in the Court case in 1848, and was sentenced to Transportation for 7 years. [See profile of Shadrack (Youngs) Young (1815-1894) (also known as Frederick) for details of the Court cases.] His wife Eliza was found not guilty. Nevertheless, the troubles for their children, Eliza and her brother Frederick jnr, were soon to get worse. Their mother Eliza snr. died on 27th August 1849 - so from about 1850 Eliza and her brother Frederick were under the care of their grandmother, Jane YOUNGS (probably née PIKE), a boarding house keeper in Plough Yard, and Eliza's Aunt Mary TUFFS (née YOUNG).^[3] However, Grandmother was not in a position to support two young children, and had them committed to the Shoreditch Board of Guardians in 1850, under the Poor Laws in London at that time:

Thursday 14th Feb’y 1850 - Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records 1698-1930, Shoreditch, Settlement Papers Committing children to the care of the Board of Guardians:^[4] [page] 99.
Ex’d Jane Young aged 66, W[idow] of Isaac - married at Bow, Middlesex in 1810 - (Grandmother of the Children) residing at 3 Plough Yard –
As to the Settlement of Frederick (12 years) & Eliza (10 yrs) Young – the children of my son Frederick & Eliza his wife – My son is Transported for 7 yrs & his wife died the 27th August last –
The Children came in this House [the Orphanage?] from No 3 Plough Yard there 2 months [grandmother Jane Young's home], before that 14 Fleur de lis Street [where the family was living before father Frederick was arrested] –
My son was married at St Sepulchre Church London on 14th February 1835 to the above named Eliza, by whom he had Issue amongst others the above 2 Children, Fred’k and Eliza were born in Robin Hood Ct, Ch R’d. [presumed to be Cheapside Road, into which Bow Lane intersects; Robin Hood Court is a cul de sac on Bow Lane].
My son is 33 yrs of age –
He never rented a House –
He never yearly Servant to stay a year [presume this means he lasted under a year in any job?] – he was born at No 3 Plough Yard Shoreditch.
My son never had relief from any parish –
About 36 yrs since My husband hired of Mr Kendle a House to No 3 Plough Yard, Shoreditch at £13/pr/yr – I have lived there ever since – various Landlords various Rents. – Landlord now Mr Hunt, Shoreditch.

Thus we find Eliza in the 1851 Census at Baker Street Shoreditch Nursery, Edmonton, Middlesex, England:^[5]

• Eliza YOUNG, age 11, relation to head - pauper Scholar, born Shoreditch
• 56 other girls aged 5 to 14
• 61 boys of similar ages
• Joshua BRIGGS, headmaster, Unm[arried], 29, school master, born Yorkshire
• Elizabeth PALMER, Mistress, W[idow], 44, schoolmistress, born Surrey
• Thomas P. PALMER, 15, visitor, born Middlesex
• Hannah HUNNS, nurse, W, 59, Nurse not domestic, do
• Wlizabeth Wheat, pauper, W, 58, Pauper Cook, do
• Julia Haggan, do, W, 36, Pauper washersoman, Ireland
• Elizabeth Grey, do, W, 59, Pauper nurse, Herts
• Jane Manning, U, 56, Pauper nurse, Northampton.

And this is possibly Eliza in 1861 Census: 4 Camden Place, Camberwell, Peckham, district 04: ^[6] in the home of:

1. Wm MAYNARD, head, Mar, 48, Solicitor’s Articled Clerk, born Mdx
2. Elizabeth C do, wife, do, 41, born Hants
3. Wm John do, son, Un, 8, scholar, born Surrey
4. Frederick H do, son, U, 4, do, do
5. Edmond G. do, 7 mths, born Surrey
6. Eliza YOUNG, 21, house servant, U, born Shoreditch, Mdx

Once father Frederick received his Conditional Pardon, and was remarried in Tasmania, he was able to send tickets for his two children to come to Tasmania. Eliza and Frederick junior arrived in Tasmania 21 July 1863, sailing on the “Golden Land” to Melbourne and “Black Swan” to Launceston.^[7]

• Name of person on whose Application sent out: Fred’k Young.
• YOUNG, Eliza; 19; rel: Prot.; R & W; Gen’l Serv’t; amount of bounty: £16.
• YOUNG, Fred’k; 23; Prot; R & W; Butler & house servant; amount of bounty: £16.. Remarks: by Mr Thorfin eihful[?], 21st July 1863, Du Croz & Co Aparts[??] Du D.
  

Frederick jnr. returned to England 4 or 5 years later.

In Tasmania Eliza married Isaac GREEN, a free immigrant who was born in Norfolk, England.^[8] Their Marriage, on 5 January 1865, is not in the Archives Tasmania records, but it is the second marriage entry in the Baptist Chapel Register of Marriages at Perth, Tas. Witnesses: Frederick YOUNG, Esther SMITH and Agnes TRANTOR. Married by the Minister at Perth Baptist: William TRANTOR. Isaac made his mark, Eliza signed her name.

Eliza and Isaac had 10 children between 1865 and 1881, who were variously born at Cressy, Perth, Fingal, and Lillieburn as Isaac moved farm to farm in his occupation of shepherd. However, the marriage was difficult, and Eliza eventually went to Latrobe for a short holiday with her father. On her return to the farm they had purchased at Irish Town (near Deddington) Isaac would not allow Eliza to enter the house, or take away her children. It was about this time that Annie PHILLIPS moved in with him as "housekeeper", and Isaac had at least two more children to her.

Over the ensuing years Eliza was gradually reunited with her children. She acquired a little cottage in Evandale, where some of the family resided with her; and as her children began to work, they helped support her. In her last few years she lived with her son and family who was working on the farm Wanstead (between Campbell Town and Conara); and later with her daughter Eliza (born GREEN, married twice – to James O'BRIEN & Anderson SMITH) at Collinsvale.^[9]

She passed away in 1926.^[10] She has a gravestone at Collinsvale.

Her letters to her brother Frederick after he returned to England were kept by Frederick's descendants and collated and transcribed by Michael J. YOUNG as "Letters From Tasmania" in the 1960s for family distribution - it is a much valued family history resource. They show that Eliza, despite her difficult childhood, was quite fluent as a writer, although some of her spelling was phonetic and punctuation irregular. Missing 'h' on words such as 'has' is indicative of her Cockney accent. For example, she wrote of her daughter, "Eliza as a bike she is a good rider".

Sources

1. ↑ birth certificate
2. ↑ Class: HO107; Piece: 722; Book: 10; Civil Parish: St Mary Mounthaw; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 8; Page: 10; Line: 5; GSU roll: 438828. Viewed at ancestry.com
3. ↑ Michael J. L. YOUNG
4. ↑ Ancestry.com. London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records, 1698-1930 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013. This collection was indexed by Ancestry World Archives Project contributors. Original data: London, England: London Metropolitan Archives and Guildhall Library Manuscripts. Board of Guardians records held by the London Metropolitan Archives, London, England. Original document viewed and transcribed 24 April 2022 at https://www.ancestrylibrary.com.au/imageviewer/collections/2651/images/32966_605905_2151-00119?treeid=&personid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=iCw9&_phstart=successSource&pId=315178
5. ↑ Class: HO107; Piece: 1703; Folio: 330; Pages: 18-22; GSU roll: 193611Description: Enumeration District: 1b. Viewed at ancestry.com
6. ↑ Class: RG9; Piece: 382; Folio: 69; Page: 3; GSU roll: 542627. Description: Enumeration District: 04. Viewed at ancestry.com
7. ↑ 1863: Arrival in Tas. See: https://stors.tas.gov.au/CB7-12-1-11P033J2K: Young, Frederick; Record Type: Arrivals; Age: 23; Arrival date: 21 Jul 1863; Departure port: London; Ship: Golden Land; Remarks: With sister [Eliza]; Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1601899; Resource: CB7/12/1/11 Bk84 p90.
8. ↑ Archives Tasmania: Green, Isaac Record Type: Arrivals. Arrival date: 10 Mar 1862. Departure port: London. Ship: Solway. Remarks: age 22. Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:441009. Resource: CB7/12/1/12 Bk80.
9. ↑ Family stories told over many years and recorded by Pip O'BRIEN
10. ↑ Robert WARREN