Advice for categorization of De_Ornelas-318?

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Still not at all clear what is wanted in categorization via Brad Foley's new plan for Mexico but there seems to be a distinction of the area before and after August 1821 which is what I use for naming places in Mexico.  Most of Guanajuato needs new categorization to follow the plan. And I am not able to do it myself.  So please someone address Guanajuato without my having to take the time to ask for each one with poor, lousy internet service in my rural area.  So far have probably posted 25,000 profiles by hand for Guanajuato in many areas and still have about that many more to post.  I would like advice or may need help creating a new category for the profile of Nicolás de Ornelas. The category might be named something like Proposed Category Name.

Thank you!

WikiTree profile: Nicolás de Ornelas
in Policy and Style by Lee G G2G1 (1.1k points)

Hey Lee! The way you had him categorised already (Municipio de San Francisco del Rincón, Guanajuato) was great!

I went ahead and created the historic (pre 1823) category according to the Mexico project documentation. It is San Francisco del Rincón, Reino de México, nested under Reino de México.

I don't know what to do specifically about the town identification of "Sauces"... I can't find it documented anywhere. It might have been a historic town that disappeared. We can add it, if we need to, later. In cases like this I'd probably just stick with what is simplest and categorize under San Francisco de Rincón.

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I spent some more time going through the categories today. First thing, I think that everything you have done so far is completely compatible with the project guidelines. You've mostly categorised people at the level of the present-day municipality, which is really helpful. 

The guidelines state: In most cases, it might be fine to use the present-day category for a given town, regardless of when the person was born or died. You've already named the Guanajuato municipio categories in exactly the way the project suggests ... so no need to revisit your 25,000 hand-entered profiles!

The historic, small-town level categories are mostly useful when a researcher wants to dig deeper in a specific town or lineage: "historical categories are useful to divide groups by historical era, reducing the number of people in a category, grouping people who may have lived at the same time, and simplifying the usage of shared historical records, like birth registries, or cemeteries." Other projects (like Acadia and Canada) don't always bother to create every single historic place category. It depends on usage. 

But, you note that "there seems to be a distinction of the area before and after August 1821 which is what I use for naming places in Mexico." So yes! You already know the logic of historic names. If it turns out you ever want to use historic categories going forward, I set up historic (Reino de México) categories for the major towns in Guanajuato that already have present-day categories. And I created a couple categories to handle strange name changes (Piedra Gorda > Manuel Doblado).

In a few cases I asked editbot to rename categories like "Ciudad de Manuel Doblado" to "Municipio de Manuel Doblado", to make them consistent. But this won't require any manual intervention.

I hope that's helpful? I've emailed you directly, if you want to chat more.

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by Brad Foley G2G6 Mach 8 (85.2k points)
edited by Brad Foley
Thank you very much for your explanations.  Very helpful!!! Have added or changed categorizations for work done today.  This will be much easier to apply. Appreciate your taking the time to explain. Internet very slow in this area, often nonexistent day time and have to be up early to make profiles so don't often get to the forums.
:) I'm glad the explanation was helpful... it is a bit of a change, but mostly we were trying to standardize what you and other people were doing anyway, so that it's consistent and documented!
Brad Foley a question for the historic categories. I am working on a number of 1600 birth profiles.  And I do see that when I go to categorization there is Reino de Mexico for Irapuato where I am working right now.  Do I add or replace those before 1821 with Irapuato Reino de Mexico.  From what I am reading it looks like this is an additional category so that I would include the Reino de Mexico as one and then the Irapuato Municipio... as another?  Thank you for your help.
Normally I would just use one category, usually the earliest applicable one, and the lowest level one.

* The time period for https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Irapuato%2C_Reino_de_M%C3%A9xico is before 1823
* The time period for https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Irapuato%2C_Guanajuato (the city) is after 1823.
* the time period for the municipio is also after 1823 https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Category:Municipio_de_Irapuato%2C_Guanajuato Because the municipio system didn't start until about 1823, we don't include them in pre-Independence categories. For pre-1823 you should use either the city (preferrred) or the Reino.

So if someone was born in the city of Irapuato in 1818, I would usually only use the category [[Category:Irapuato, Reino de México]], not any Guanajuato or Municipio categories. There might be specific reasons why you would do something different, but that's up to you!

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