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Edward Elmer (abt. 1613 - 1676)

Edward Elmer
Born about in Englandmap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
Husband of — married 1644 (to 6 Jun 1676) in Hartford, Connecticut Colonymap
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 63 in Hartford, Connecticut Colonymap [uncertain]
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The Puritan Great Migration.
Edward Elmer migrated to New England during the Puritan Great Migration (1621-1640). (See Great Migration Begins, by R. C. Anderson, Vol. 1, p. 634)
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Biography

Edward was going to a church in Braintree, England where new thoughts were being preached. The leaders of the church in England were not happy with the new thoughts considering it heresy. This small group of Puritans, under the direction of Rev. Thomas Hooker, wanted to leave to a place of religious freedom.
For a discussion of Edward's parents, go to: An Essay by the Elmer/Elmore Group
In June, Edward boarded the ship Lyon for the New World and arrived in Boston, Massachusetts Colony in good health, September 16, 1632. He settled in Newtown, several miles away.
The Rev. Hooker's group were not happy with their allotment in Newtown and so decided to move to the west. This was a difficult overland trek of about a hundred miles, driving cattle which would supply milk for their nourishment. and provide stock for the new town.
The group ended up in present day Hartford. Edward continued to prosper in this area. About 1644, he married Mary _____ and they had children, seven to be exact.
His life abruptly ended in June of 1676. He was across the Podunk River where he had property when he was attacked and murdered by Native Americans during King Philip's war (also known as Metacom's rebellion).

Birth

EDWARD ELMER “ELMORE ” was born in England around 1610, by about 1613 since he received grants of land in Cambridge in 1634, and as early as 1608, assuming age 60 when when relieved of watching and warding and training in 1668.[1] His parents are unknown due to a lack of supporting records to confirm his association to a few Elmer families in England. We do know that he resided in Braintree, Essex, England around 1630, as he was a follower of Reverend Thomas Hooker.[2]

Migration

Hooker’s teachings were considered heretical and his congregation left London for America, 22 June 1632, on the ship “Lyon.” Some claimed passenger lists show an Edward with his sons Edward and Richard,[3][4], however, these lists are likely synthetic and not an actual list of passengers. We do know that Elmer took the oath of allegiance in 1632 [5] 16 September 1632, the Lyon set anchor in Boston Harbor, all the passengers arrived safely [1][6][7][8][9]

Newtown

He settled in Newtown (Cambridge) with the rest of Hooker’s followers.[1][9] In Newtown he was granted 2 rods of the common land of the town in 1632. [10] In 1634 he was granted 3 acres of land on the “West End” of town.[11] On 8/20/1635 he was given half of a meadow[12] and by October the land inventory for Cambridge noted he owned 2 acres in the “Neck of Land,” 2 acres in the “Great Marsh,” and his West End lot (which he eventually sold to John Gibson).[13][1]

Hartford

When Hooker and his congregation continued to experience trouble in Massachusetts, the group, including Edward, relocated to Hartford, Connecticut in 1636.[2] Edward is listed as one of the founders of Hartford.[2] The Hartford land inventory in 1640 notes he owned 7 parcels of land: 2 acres with a house; 1 rod and 3 perches of a meadow; 1 acre and 3 rods of the North Meadow; 6 acres and 3 rods in the North Meadow; 1 acre and 8 perches east of the Great River (Connecticut River); 4 acres and 1 rod in the Ox pasture; 5 acres, 2 rods, and 22 perches in the “Neck of Land.” [14] In 1642 he sued Thomas Bailis and was awarded 35 shillings. [15]

He married Mary _____ around 1644 in Hartford, Connecticut. They had 7 children: John; Samuel; Elizabeth; Edward (1654-10/31/1725); Joseph; Mary; and Sarah.[1][16] Her maiden name is unknown, possibly Partridge.[citation needed]

In 1644 he and Nathaniel Willet sued Richard Trott and they were awarded damages of 6 pounds. 11 shillings, and 6 pence, plus court costs. [17][18] However the following year Richard Trott sued them both and he was granted damages of 40 shillings and court costs.[19][20] In 1648 he was noted in a debt record as residing in Hartford. In 1651 he was chosen to be the town’s chimney viewer.[6] In 1652 he was fined 5 shillings for neglecting his ward (military duty).[21]

Norwottuck / Northampton

In 1653 the town of Norwottuck (later named Northampton), Massachusetts began to form and he was noted on the original petitions to the Massachusetts court.[22] He also took part in the purchase of the land, paying 40 shillings.[23] He was listed as helping establish the first meeting house for the town.[24] He eventually settled there and his homestead was noted on the west side of Pleasant Street.[25] In 1655 he was appointed to be the recorder for the town, however he never served in that position and later that year he was named one of the Commissioners of small causes (small claims court).[26][27][28][1] The following year the town petitioned the Massachusetts court to allow Edward and the other Commissioners to continue to serve.[29][30] In 1656 he oversaw a slander suit where a woman accused another woman of being a witch. In 1657 he was listed as a person that had rights to the undivided land in Hartford. [31] When the town was permitted to create their own government in 1657, there was confusion regarding the next commissioners, with 2 being nominated. However, Edward was noted to have quickly gone to Springfield to take the oath.[32] This caused a problem and in 1658 he sued William Holton and Robert Bartlett for defamation, as they had claimed he went to Springfield in a disorderly way and that he breached the Lord’s Day. The Court ruled that he did not go disorderly or breach the Lord’s Day, but only found defamation occurred in the second claim.[33] By the end of 1658 he is noted to have owned a home lot and 72 acres of meadow land.[34] Issues between the Elmer and Holton family continued as Holton’s wife accused Edward’s son, John, of stealing an ax, however this was resolved after John filed a complaint against Mrs. Holton.[35] In 1658 he was a witness to a land purchase from indians to create the neighboring town of Hadley.[36] Other records note that he was involved in the fur trade with townsmen of Springfield, specifically John Pynchon. In 1659 he was noted as the attorney for Samuel Wright in a court case in Hartford.[37] That same year he was sued by Walter Lee over an issue with a hog. Also in 1659 Edward and a few other men continued to have issues with the town of Northampton, as they sued the town for not allowing them to become selectmen. However their claim was denied and they did not appeal it to a higher Massachusetts’s Court. Issues with the town continued, as he promised to give the town a portion of a meadow he owned.[38]

Hartford and Podunk / South Windsor

After returning to Connecticut, on 6/7/1660 he sued Bartholomew Bernard for 300 pounds for refusing to confirm a deed of sale for a house and land.[39] Bernard asked for a continuance but Edward renewed his suit soon after. By the 26th of June he filed a claim to the land of Bartholomew Bernard. In March 1662 Bernard and William Holton were in a lawsuit regarding the “fraudulent dealing” of the meadow that previously belonged to Edward. In 1662 he is noted to have sued John King in Springfield.[40] Because of his age, in 1668 he was freed from watching, warding, and training for the colony.[41] The following year in 1669 he was on Hartford’s coroner’s jury regarding the body of Thomas Napp. Also in 1669 he was listed as a freeman of Windsor, Connecticut.[42][1] In 1671 he is still noted to have rights to the undivided land in Hartford.[43]

At some point he moved to Podunk (present day South Windsor), Connecticut and accumulated a sizable estate of land.

His estate records note he owned: 45 acres of meadow; 7 acres of cleared pasture; 60 acres of uncleared pasture and swamp; a dwelling, barn, and orchard; 7 acres of upland; and 1163 acres of upland.

Death and Probate

During King Philips War Edward had crossed the Podunk River and he was murdered by indians.[16] Edward Elmer died before 6 June 1676.[1][6][8][16]

His estate in Podunk was valued at 369 pounds, 338 being his real estate. [44] His estate in Hartford included no land but totaled a little over 102 pounds. The estate also noted he was survived by his wife, and children John, Samuel; Edward (received a distribution of 92 pounds); Mary; and Sarah.[45]

[O]n 7 June 1676, ‘An inventory [was] taken of the estate of Edward Elmer deceased being at Hartford,’ … At the end of the Hartford inventory was a list of those ‘concerned in the estate’: ‘widow Ellmar; John Elmar aged about 30 years; Samewell Elmar aged about 27; Edward Ellmar aged about 22; Mary Ellmar aged about 18 years; Sarah Ellmar aged about 12 years." [1]

In 1681 his son Edward reopened the estate due to other debtor claims and the court appointed auditors to go over the accounts. In 1696 Thomas Long, whom married his sister Sarah, sued Edward and John as administrators of the state because Sarah never received her share of the estate. Other records note that disputes about the estate continued as late as 1723. His wife Mary remarried to Thomas Catlin soon after his passing in 1678, and she died around 1704 likely in either Connecticut or Massachusetts.

Children

  1. John Elmer, born about 1644" (he was aged 21 on 5 May 1665). [1][6][8][9]
  2. Samuel Elmer, baptized Hartford, 21 March 1646/7. [1][6][9]
  3. Elizabeth Elmer, baptized Hartford, 15 July 1649. [1][6][9]
  4. Edward Elmer, born about 1654" (he was reported aged eleven on 5 May 1665). [1][6][9]
  5. Joseph Elmer, born say 1656; died at Northampton, July 1657. [1][6][9]
  6. Mary Elmer, born Northampton, 2 September 1658. [1][6][9]
  7. Sarah Elmer, born about 1664. [1][6][9]

DNA

Edward is confirmed through Y-chromosome DNA testing. Robert Elmore and Esco Elmer match on 36 out of 37 markers (see FTDNA kits 364027 and 369990) thereby confirming their direct paternal lines back to their MRCA Edward Elmer.
Big Y and YSEQ testing of descendants of Edward's sons Edward and Samuel have shown that men on this Y line carry SNPs R-A2276, R-A2278, R-A2280, R-A2281 and R-A2283 as family level SNPs.

Notes

Why has it been so difficult to research English beginnings? Possibly this will shed some light on the matter: J. Gardner Bartlett, The English Ancestral Homes Of The Founders Of Cambridge, Volume: 14, Pages: 79-103, Years: 1919, Copyright: 1926, Publishers: Cambridge Historical Society, Bartlett, J. Gardner, https://cambridgehistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Proceedings-Volume-14-1919.pdf
Text from page 89, “We will now take leave of Colchester, and returning over the old Roman road as far as Copford we then strike westward over the very ancient main highway running across Essex to the borough of Hertford. After traveling about fifteen miles we come to Braintree, another parent town of a namesake in Massachusetts. Braintree and Bocking, although separate adjoining parishes, form practically, although not officially, a single town. The twin parishes are located on rising ground above a small river, and lie on the site of a Roman station. The streets of the double village are narrow and winding and are lined with houses, many dating from Stuart and Tudor times. St. Michael's Church in Braintree is situated in a spacious churchyard in the center of the town, and dates from the fifteenth century, although much restored. Its square stone tower is surmounted by a very high pointed spire covered with slate and spreading out at the bottom to cover the full size of the tower, an unusual feature in English rural churches. Unluckily the registers of this parish before 1660 have long been missing; and as many early founders of New England came from here, the loss is a great misfortune to us. The church of St. Mary in Bocking, also located in a spacious churchyard shaded by large trees, is a much larger and more interesting structure of flint and stone in the later Pointed Style. The ancient registers of this church were also long missing, but a few years ago were found, although missing in parts, and what exists from 1558 to 1639 was printed by the late James J. Goodwin of Hartford, Conn.”

Sources

  1. 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14 1.15 Anderson, Great Migration Begins, pp 634-638.
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 Stiles, The history and genealogies of ancient Windsor, Connecticut (1891) Vol. 2, Pg. 234
  3. packrat pro
  4. Charles Edward Banks, The planters of the commonwealth; a study of the emigrants ... (Boston, Houghton Mifflin Co., 1930), 101-102; digital images, OpenLibrary.
  5. Hotten, John Camden, The Original Lists Of Persons (John Camden Hotten, 1874); Spelled Edward Ellmer. Pg. 150
  6. 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4 6.5 6.6 6.7 6.8 6.9 Barbour, Families of Early Hartford..., p 235?
  7. Savage, The History of New England...by John Winthrop, v 1, Page 107.
  8. 8.0 8.1 8.2 TAHS, Encyclopedia of Connecticut Biography, Vol. 10, page 139
  9. 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.3 9.4 9.5 9.6 9.7 9.8 Johnson, Elmer-Elmore Genealogy (1899) Pg. 5
  10. The Records of the Town of Cambridge (1901) Pg. 5
  11. The Records of the Town of Cambridge (1901) Pg. 9
  12. The Records of the Town of Cambridge (1901) Pg. 13
  13. The Register Book of the Lands and Houses in “New Towne” & ... Cambridge (1896) Pg. 30, 62
  14. Original Distribution of the Lands in Hartford, Pg. 337-38
  15. Records of the Particular Court of Connecticut, 1639-1663, Pg. 19
  16. 16.0 16.1 16.2 Johnson, Elmer-Elmore Genealogy (1899) Pg. 1
  17. Records of the Particular Court of Connecticut, 1639-1663, Pg. 32
  18. The Public Records of the Colony of Connecticut, Vol. 1, Pg. 122-23
  19. The Public Records of the Colony of Connecticut, Vol. 1, Pg. 136
  20. Records of the Particular Court of Connecticut, 1639-1663, Pg. 39
  21. Records of the Particular Court of Connecticut, 1639-1663, Pg. 111
  22. Trumbull, History of Northampton, Massachusetts (1898) Vol. 1, Pg. 6, 13-14, 18
  23. Trumbull, History of Northampton, Massachusetts (1898) Vol. 1, Pg. 576
  24. Trumbull, History of Northampton, Massachusetts (1898) Vol. 1, Pg. 25
  25. Trumbull, History of Northampton, Massachusetts (1898) Vol. 1, Pg. 18
  26. Shurtleff, Records … of the Massachusetts Bay in New England, Vol. 3, Pg. 378
  27. Pynchon,...the Pynchon Court Record... p. 94.
  28. Trumbull, History of Northampton, Massachusetts (1898) Vol. 1, Pg. 26, 31-32
  29. Shurtleff, Records … of the Massachusetts Bay in New England, Vol. 3, Pg. 414
  30. Trumbull, History of Northampton, Massachusetts (1898) Vol. 1, Pg. 43
  31. Original Distribution of the Lands in Hartford, Pg. 500
  32. Trumbull, History of Northampton, Massachusetts (1898) Vol. 1, Pg. 58, 63-67
  33. Pynchon,...the Pynchon Court Record... pp. 95-96, 170-71, 238-39
  34. Trumbull, History of Northampton, Massachusetts (1898) Vol. 1, Pg. 145
  35. Pynchon,...the Pynchon Court Record... p. 239.
  36. Judd, History of Hadley (1905) Pg. 107
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  38. Trumbull, History of Northampton, Massachusetts (1898) Vol. 1, Pg. 78
  39. Records of the Particular Court of Connecticut, 1639-1663, Pg. 215-19
  40. Pynchon,...the Pynchon Court Record..., p. 264.
  41. Trumbull, The memorial history of Hartford County, Connecticut (1886) Pg. 237-38
  42. The Public Records of the Colony of Connecticut, Vol. 2, Pg. 519
  43. Original Distribution of the Lands in Hartford, Pg. 549
  44. Manwarning, Digest of Early Connecticut Probate Records (1904) Vol. 1-III, Pg. 195
  45. Manwarning, Digest of Early Connecticut Probate Records (1904) Vol. 1-III, Pg. 195
  • Thompson, Mike et al, Ancestors of Edward Elmer... Pending DNA
  • Connecticut Soldiers in the Pequot War of 1637, by Shepard, James, Publication date 1913 via Archive.org [1], Page 15-16. States he was a solider in the Pequot War, but scope is not mentioned.
  • Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Volumes I-III, 3 vols., (1995), 634-638 (Edward Elmer); digital images by subscriptions, AmericanAncestors.
at page 637: William W. Johnson claimed in 1899 that Edward Elmer was from Braintree, Essex, England [Elmer-Elmore Genealogy. Records of the Descendants of Edward Elmer ... (North Greenfield, Wisconsin 1899), p. 5]; this is certainly possible given his presence on the Lyon in 1632, but there is no direct evidence for this proposed origin. Banks suggested that Elmer was from St. Mary Bow, London, citing only "Banks Mss." [ Topo Dict 109].
  • Barbour, Lucius Barnes, Families of Early Hartford, Connecticut, Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc.; Baltimore; 1982.
Text from page 235: Edward Elmer died 1676 mar Mary who m Timothy Catlin. Early member 1 Ch. Moved to Northampton. Name on Founders Monument.
Children:
John m Rosamond Ginivare
Samuel bp Mch 21, 1646 (HTR)
Elizabeth bp July 15, 1649 (HTR) died before her father m Joseph Edwards
Edward b 1654 m/1 Rebecca m/2
Joseph b 1656 (Northmptn) died July 1659
Mary b 1658 “ m Joseph Garrett
Sarah b 1664 (E Windsor) m Thomas Long
Cambridge; came in the “Lion” arriving Sept 16, 1632 with Talcott, Goodwin, Olmsted and others; one of the original proprietors of Hartford; his home lot in 1639 was on the east side of Main Street next north of John Talcott. Chosen chimney viewer 1651; removed to Northampton about 1656; went from there to Windsor on the east side of the river; freed from watching and warding March 5, 1667-8; killed by Indians in King Phillip's War in 1676 leaving a widow Mary. Inv. L471-15-3.
Vol. 10, page 139: Edward Elmer, the ancestor, was born in England, and died in June, 1676. He came in the ship "Lion" to Boston, Massachusetts, in 1632, and was in Hartford, Connecticut, in 1636. He was also a first settler in Northampton in 1654, and returned again to Hartford in 1660. He had a large tract of land east of the river at Podunk, now South Windsor, where he was killed by Indians in June, 1676, during King Phillip's War. His marriage probably took place in Hartford, and the Christian name of his wife was Mary.
Text from page 75, “The properties originally held by Edward Elmer, the Widow Muzzey, William Westwood, George Steele, and James and Nicholas Olmstead at the lower end of Wigwam Neck, in all about eleven acres, were gradually assembled into the ownership of the Coolidges, Mannings, and President Appleton during a century, and later to the possession of William Winthrop and Samuel Manning at the time of the Revolution.”
Text from page 78, ”The next piece of land, eight acres in area, was allotted to Samuel Greenhill, who soon transferred it to Simon Crosby. Once more a plot of three acres, Edward Elmer's, brings us just about to Bond Street on Garden Street and opposite Brewster Street on Sparks.”
  • J. Gardner Bartlett, The English Ancestral Homes Of The Founders Of Cambridge, Volume: 14, Pages: 79-103, Years: 1919, Copyright: 1926, Publishers: Cambridge Historical Society.
Text from page 81, “A company of about fifty families from Essex and Hertfordshire, followers of Rev. Thomas Hooker and known as the Braintree Company, many of whom came in the ship Lion in the summer of 1632, a year in advance of their leader, and most of whom removed with him to Hartford, Conn., in 1635.”
Text from page 91: Of the rest of Hooker's company who first located at Cambridge, there remain to mention Jeremy Adams, John Arnold, John Barnard, John Benjamin, Richard and William Butler, Joseph Easton, Edward Elmer, Nathaniel Ely, Richard Goodman, Stephen Hart, John Hopkins, William Kelsey, William Lewis, Richard Lord, William Manning, John Maynard, Abraham Morrill, John Pratt, Nathaniel Richards, Thomas Scott, Edward Stebbing, George Stocking, Richard Webb, and William Westwood. The exact English home of none of these has been made public to my knowledge; but we can be quite sure that practically all of them came from County Essex.
  • James Savage, The History of New England from 1630 to 1649 by John Winthrop, Esq. First Governour of the Colony of the Massachusetts Bay.'. Three volumes. Originally published Boston, 1853. Reprinted for Clearfield Company, Inc. by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.; 1996.
Volume 1, Page 107: 16 [September 1632], being the Lord's day.] In the evening Mr. Peirce, in the ship Lyon, arrived, and came to an anchor before Boston. He brought one hundred and twenty-three passengers, whereof fifty children, all in health; and lost not one person by the way, save his carpenter, who fell overboard as he was caulking a port. They had been twelve weeks aboard, and eight weeks from Land's End. He had five days of east wind and thick fog, so as he was forced to come, all that time, by the lead; and the first land he made was Cape Ann.
  • Massachusetts (Colony) Courts (Hampshire County), Joseph Henry Smith, and William Pynchon. Colonial Justice In Western Massachusetts, 1639-1702: the Pynchon Court Record, an Original Judges' Diary of the Administration of Justice In the Springfield Courts In the Massachusetts Bay Colony. (Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 1961.) At Hathi

See Also

  • Pynchon Papers Vol. 2, Pg. 13, 24
  • Shurtleff, Records … of the Massachusetts Bay in New England, Vol. 4:1, Pg. 227, 271
  • Records of the Particular Court of Connecticut, 1639-1663, Pg. 19, 32, 39, 89, 122, 123, 126, 160, 163-64, 167, 111, 198, 215, 216-19
  • Hartford Probate District, Vol. 3 (courtside), Pg. 74, 89, 155-56
  • Hartford Probate District, Vol. 3, Pg. 168-69, Case # 1884
  • The American Genealogist, Vol. 68, Pg. 98-99
  • The American Genealogist, Vol. 70, Pg. 20-21
  • Aspinwall notarial records from 1644-1651 (1903) Pg. 193
  • Cutter, William Richard, et.al. Genealogical and Family History of the State of Connecticut
Edward Elmer, immigrant ancestor, was born in England about 1604, probably at Quinton near Northampton, one of the sons of Edward and Elizabeth Elmer. He came to America in the ship "Lion," reaching Boston, September 16, 1632, settled first at Cambridge and went to Hartford with Rev. Mr. Hooker's company in 1636, where he was an original proprietor, his home lot being on the east side of Main street, next north of that of J. Talcott. He was chimney viewer in 1651 and in 1654 became one of the first settlers at Northampton, one of the first board of magistrates, and chosen recorder in 1656, was a witness to a deed, from the Indians to Major Pynchon of land, comprising the town of Hadley in 1658. He returned to Hartford in 1660, and in addition to his lands there, acquired a tract of five hundred and fifty acres on the east side of the Great river in what is now the town of South Windsor which he and his sons cultivated until he was killed there by Indians in June, 1676, during King Philip 's war. He was "freed from watching and warding in 1667 and in 1669 was the only freeman of that name in Windsor. He married Mary -, probably about 1644-45, who is said to have married (second) Thomas Catlin, of Hartford. Children of Edward and Mary Elmer : John, born 1646; Samuel, baptized March 21, 1646-47; Elizabeth, baptized July 15, 1649; Edward, born 1654; Joseph, 1656; Mary, 1658; Sarah, 1664.*Find A Grave: Memorial #35817379
  • Northampton, Hampshire County, Massachusetts Births, Marriages & Deaths, 1654-1801 Vital records [Northhampton, Massachusetts] 1654-1872
Authors: Northampton (Massachusetts). Town Clerk (Main Author); Northampton (Massachusetts). Town Clerk (Repository).
Format: Manuscript/Manuscript on Film
Language: English
Publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1958
Physical: 3 microfilm reels ; 35 mm.
References: (Digital Collection) Massachusetts, Town Clerk, vital and town records : COLLECTION RECORD, 1626-2001
Image: 100 of 464
Text from the record, under the heading Births in 1658, "Mary, daughter of Edward and Mary Elmore was born."




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History of Janes-Peek Family by Reba Collins 1975, a source of worthy research, Rev. William Janes 1610-1690, wiki Janes-5 is supported.That I own a book, copy #67 of 787 numbered copies, private print, 1930, by Charles E Banks, 1930 Riverside Press; on pages 99-102 is a list of passengers on SHIP LYON, arriving Boston 16 Sep 1632, with 123 passengers. listed on pages 101,102 is Edward Elmore, perhaps from London, destination Cambridge,

Mrs. ____ Elmore, Richard Elmore, Edward Elmore. This data confirms data entered by William Cutter, that Edward Elmore was born about 1604, that Elmore surname has variations Elmer. This clearly means, there was a second marriage, and that Richard and Edward are inferred as children of Edward Elmore and first wife. Suggestion is that Edward Elmore, Elmer born 1654 may be the grandson of Edward Elmore and his first wife. Elmore, Wadsworth, Olmstead, Cogswell, and Talcott passengers on this ship LYON are in my family tree. Richard and Edward Elmore in company with Edward Elmore and wife 16 Sep 1632 arrival Boston, need closure; were they killed by Indians or did they survive and raise families.

posted by Joan (Stone) Jakubowski
edited by Joan (Stone) Jakubowski
Hi Joan,

Thank you for your comment. I have not reviewed the 1974 material.

(1) You wrote, "1930, by Charles E Banks, 1930 Riverside Press; on pages 99-102 is a list of passengers on SHIP LYON, arriving Boston 16 Sep 1632 ... Edward Elmore," and "This ... means, there was a second marriage, and that Richard and Edward are inferred as children of Edward Elmore and first wife."

The matter of the Lyon passengers list is addressed in the biography, "Some claimed passenger lists show an Edward with his sons Edward and Richard, however these lists are likely synthetic and not an actual list of passengers." I have updated this passage to cite Banks (supplementing PackRat Pro, which mentions Banks and cited works that surely relied on Banks).

See Charles Edward Banks, The planters of the commonwealth; a study of the emigrants ... (Boston, Houghton Mifflin Co., 1930), vii-xiii (Preface), 101-102; digital images, OpenLibrary.

If you read the preface to Banks' work, you'll see that his report of passenger lists included names the author devised based on a study of extended English and colonial records (as opposed to historical records related to the passage). In my own experience, Banks seemed often not explicit/specific about whatever extended research he used to attribute/add this or that name to a particular "passenger" list.

Robert Charles Anderson reported Edward's origins were unknown, but has his migration aboard the Lyon, 1632. Anderson and WikiTree cite the underlying historical record--Edward took the oath of allegiance in 1632. See Anderson's report (by subscription, AmericanAncestors) and also the record he cites, "Hotten 150."

These points are also discussed in a section of the free space page, "Edward Elmer Combined Family Tree," and the section that follows, "Edward Alone, Conclusion."

(2) You wrote, "William Cutter [reports] Edward Elmore was born about 1604." See the Anderson link above for Edward's birth "By about 1613 based on grants of land ... (and as early as 1608 if he was sixty years old when relieved of watching and warding and training)." Also see item 4 below.

(3) You wrote, "Elmore surname has variations Elmer." The narrative seem to incorporate this information. See the "Birth" section, which opens, "Edward Elmer 'Elmore.'" Please let me know if the matter of surname variations is not clear enough.

(4) You also wrote, "Suggestion is that Edward Elmore, Elmer born 1654 may be the grandson of Edward Elmore and his first wife."

In raising this conflict, do you feel you have fully considered the details from and sources cited in Anderson's child list, and his account of the immigrant's estate/probate?

WikiTree reports Edward, born 1654, is the son of the immigrant. This follows Anderson (1995), who cited quite an array of sources and records in his list of the immigrant's seven children. These children are reported born between about 1644 (John) and about 1664 (Sarah).
Moreover, the notion that Anderson's child list conflates his family with that of an undocumented son of the same name seems in conflict with what is known of immigrant's probate. From Anderson, citing "Hartford PD 2 (courtside):155-56; Manwaring 1:195," "The inventory was exhibited at court 6 and 7 September 1676 and administration was granted to the widow and her three [surviving] sons," followed by "distribution was made to the widow ... John ... Samuel ... Edward ... Mary ... and Sarah ..." And on "20 April 1681, 'Edward Elmore summoned the legatees of the estate of his father, Edward Elmore, deceased, to appear at Court.'" Anderson's report continues, and he cites yet additional records.

Hope this helps.--Gene

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I do have something to add, but not with any real proof but here it is.
  • Edwards father maybe Theophilius Elmer-Aylmer 1547-1625 and was married to Mary Newce 1549-1638. Which leads to the Bishop John? As for the Bishops father I think we have John Aylmer also 1497- married to Helen Tyrell 1499-1521. Then is another John Aylmer 1450-1527 married to Helen MNU no dates. I have a Richard Aylmer 1419-1455 I think this is now Ireland and not England! I am hoping this helps somehow.
posted by Stephen Elmer
Well I am new to this all and want to thank all of you for your research. It has made my mind twist from left to right and back again. I am looking into all the data and building a tree myself and have not found anything to add here, Except Me Here! That's not true, I am over loaded. In time my friends and family we will over come and find our answers. When I am sure of myself and working this site. I will have something new to add that's for sure! Thanks for the ears and happy holidays.
posted by Stephen Elmer
About his wife, Anderson (GM, p 636) says this: "Marriage: By about 1644 Mary ____; she outlived her husband and married (2) Thomas Catlin. [WiLR (Windsor Co Land Records)] " Since Edward died about 6 Jun 1676, Mary must have married Thomas Catlin after 1676. The "1644" referred to in Pope is referring to Edward's marriage to Mary, NOT to Thomas Catlin's marriage to Mary.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Elmer-416 and Elmer-195 appear to represent the same person because: He arrived on the ship Lyon and 1613 is the correct birthdate
posted by Margaret Simons
Great Migration reported seven children born to Edward Elmer. These were, John, Samuel, Elizabeth, Edward, Joseph, Mary and Sarah.

The child Joseph, not yet entered to WikiTree was said born "say 1656"; he died Northampton in July 1657 (cites "Pynchon VR 155").

The youngest reported daughter, here as Abigail Elmer (born about 1679) is not included in the Great Migration report and does not seem to fit into the family of Edward Elmer and wife Mary ____.

Great Migration reports that Edward's youngest child was Sarah, ("born about 1664"), further that Edward died in June 1676 (his inventory was inventoried in September of that year).

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