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Abigail (Phinney) Linnell (1704 - 1779)

Abigail Linnell formerly Phinney
Born in Barnstable, Barnstable, Massachusettsmap
Ancestors ancestors
Daughter of and
Sister of , , and
Wife of — married Aug 1725 in Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts Baymap
Descendants descendants
Mother of , , and
Died at about age 74 in Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts, United Statesmap
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Profile last modified | Created 6 Jun 2011
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Biography

Name Abigail /Phinney/[1]
Parents[2]
Name: Abigail Phinny
Event Type: Birth
Birth Date: 8 Jun 1704
Birth Place: Barnstable, Massachusetts
Father Name: Thomas Phinny
Mother Name: Sarah Beetle
(Her mother, Sarah Lockwood, married first Christopher Beetle)
Marriage Jonathan LINNELL[3][4] He married 27 Aug 1725 Abigail Phinney[5].Source Text: "August ye 27th 1725 Jonathan Linnell Junr Signified his purpose to marry with Abigaile finny of Barnstable in order to be published".
Children
  1. Jonathan LINNELL, b. Abt 1726, Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts d. 9 Jun 1797, Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts, USA
  2. Elizabeth LINNELL, b. 22 Jul 1728, Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts d. 1824, Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts, USA
  3. Thomas LINNELL, b. 2 Jun 1730, d. 27 Aug 1817 (Age 87 years)
  4. Sarah LINNELL, b. 28 Apr 1733, Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts d. Between 19 Nov 1767 and 12 Dec 1775 m. Gideon Mayo
  5. Heman LINNELL, b. 13 Sep 1735, Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts d. 1817, Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts, USA
  6. Elisha LINNELL, b. 8 Mar 1738/39,
  7. Abigail LINNELL, b. 9 Jun 1741, d. Aft 1790
  8. Hannah LINNELL, b. 14 Feb 1744/45, Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts d. 1787, Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts, USA
Will of husband Jonathan LINNEL mentions:[6]
Jonathan Linnel
Abigail Linnel Wife
Thomas Linnel Son
Heman Linnel Son
Elizabeth Rogers Daughter
Abigail Thnonles Daughter
Hannah Cole Daughter
Ellis Mayo Granddaughter
Theophilus Mayo Grandson

Sources

  1. ↑ Mayflower Families Vol. 6 Hopkins, Austin, John D. FASG, (Plymouth Massachusetts: General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 1992), DHH0008., 403 (Reliability: 4), 9 Jul 2005.
  2. ↑ Title: Births, Marriages, Deaths, 1643-1714 Town Records, 1736-1855; Vol· 1. Original data:Town and City Clerks of Massachusetts. Massachusetts Vital and Town Records. Provo, UT: Holbrook Research Institute (Jay and Delene Holbrook).
  3. ↑ Linnell - Descendants of Robert Linnell, Rachel Linnell Wynn, 2d edition, The Linnell Family Association, 1994), DHL0005., 18, 2005
  4. ↑ Mayflower Families Vol. 19 Thomas Rogers, Westgate, Alice W.A., Revised by Ann T. Reeves, (Plymouth Massachusetts: General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 2000), DHH0010., 33
  5. ↑ Massachusetts: Vital Records, 1620-1850 Volume Eastham-Orleans - V1 MD V.28, p.114 Marriage Intentions Record(Online Database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2001-2010 Membership Required)
  6. ↑ Probate and Guardianship Records, 1674-1950 [Barnstable County, Massachusetts]; Author: Barnstable County (Massachusetts). Register of Probate; Probate Place: Barnstable, Massachusetts. Description - Notes: Probate and Guardianship Records, Vol 17-20, 1769-1809

Acknowledgements

  • WikiTree profile Phinney-39 created through the import of Ancestors of PBHowe.ged on Jun 6, 2011 by Buck Howe.




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Madison-125 Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Phinney-1013 and Phinney-39 appear to represent the same person because: Phinney-1013 was created as a working profile for a conflated version of an original: Phinney-38. See the comments on Phinney-1013 that demonstrate that it was originally created to represent the daughter of Thomas Phinney, which is now the profile for Phinney-39. These two profiles should be merged to remove the conflated Phinney-1013.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
[Living Watts]
I disagree. The women have two very different birth and death years.

Also, your draft changes don't make sense either. You suggest she was born 17 years prior to her (unknown) parents' marriage, as shown below:


↑ Source: #S-2009482839 Page: Birth year: 1671; Birth city: Barnstable; Birth state: MA. Data: Text: Birth date: January 1671' Birth place: Barnstable, MA ' Death date: 30 November 1755 Death place: Barnstable, MA Marriage date: 25 August 1698 Marriage place: Barnstable, MA

posted by [Living Watts]
Madison-125 Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Ok, so can you supply any actual records to support any of the dates on the Phinney-1013 profile? The 1698 marriage is for her father Thomas Phinney and wife Sarah (Lockwood) as seen here: Barnstable Town Records, Vol. 1:378 (original pagination)

The original profile (Phinney-38) was a conflated mess of nonsense. The "new" profile for Phinney-1013 has zero valid sources and it needs to be merged away.

posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
[Living Watts]
Why would you merge two profiles showing their birth and death years are a generation apart from each other?

Birth Date 1685-05-08 vs 1704-06-08 Birth Place Barnstable, Barnstable, Massachusetts Death Date 1729-12-17 vs 1779-00-00 Death Place Eastham, Barnstable, Massachusetts, United States

As I wrote, I did NOT create the Phinney-38 profile which was attached to John Moore as his wife.

Using critical thinking skills, anyone can quickly ascertain merging these two profiles is nonsensical based upon a 50 year difference their deaths and a 19 year difference in the births.

I did not create the Phinney-38 profile, or the records attached to "her".

But ignoring these considerable conflicts is unconscionable, in my professional opinion.

posted by [Living Watts]
Madison-125 Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Since there are no sources to suggest that any Abigail Phinney, born 1685-1704, married to a John Moore, died 1729-1779, or any of the suggested dates actually existed, the profile Phinney-1013 should be merged away. If we don't merge Phinney-1013 away, who does she represent? From the sources, or lack of them, it appears that Phinney-1013 did not exist. And I do realize that the original Phinney-38 was not of your making! From its inception it was fiction and lacked any valid sources. If we care about accuracy (and we certainly do!), we need to resolve the Phinney-1013 by either merging her into Phinney-39 (the changes log of Phinney-38 shows the same data for the parents, Thomas Phinney & Sarah Lockwood), or into your new Wright profile as the incorrectly identified wife of John Moore.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Madison-125 Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Barnstable Church records show that the death listed for 1755 was for Thomas Phinney:
"[1755] Nov 30 Thomas Phinney departed this life Æt. 84"

Source: "Barnstable, MA: Church Records, 1639-1892." Records of Barnstable, Massachusetts. CD-ROM. Boston, MA.: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2002. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2015.) (Edited to add:) The original records for the Barnstable East Parish can be found here. Go to "Church records, 1725-1816 Browse images of this content" and then scroll, on the top of the page viewer, to page #110.

posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
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Madison-125 Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Thanks for the updates to her profile, Karen, that helps somewhat. I'm annoyingly trying to find the primary source that would prove that Abigail, as the daughter of Thomas is the same as the wife of Jonathan. The Mayflower Families silver book on Rogers published in 2000 gives for Abigail, the daughter of Thomas Phinney, only this:
"b. 8 June 1704, n.f.r."

The silver book for Hopkins mentions her once in passing as a mother of Jonathan Linnell who married Rachel Hopkins, but I don't find a source record there for proof of her maiden name, although it does mention the Linnell Genealogy (1994) in passing. It doesn't appear that her parents left any probate records, and I don't see any approved applications in the GSMD database on AmericanAncestors.org (which is not comprehensive). So if the Linnell Genealogy offers some original source record that links daughter to wife, it would be very helpful.

posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Madison-125 Bobbie (Madison) Hall
What is the proof, please, that connects the daughter of Thomas Phinney as the wife of Jonathan Linnell? Her father's profile states that after her birth there was no further record, yet here we have her married. Reliable sources please?
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Brubaker-231 Karen Brubaker
Linnell - Descendants of Robert Linnell, Rachel Linnell Wynn, 2d edition, The Linnell Family Association, 1994), DHL0005., 18, 2005
posted by Karen Brubaker

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