Colemans of Virginia - trying to make a connection

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I'm trying to make a connection between

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Coleman-10840  Robert Edward Coleman (b. abt. 1748 in Virginia, d. Jan 1834 in Mercer County, Kentucky), in my wife's line, and...

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Coleman-1020 Capt. Robert Coleman (b. 1656 in Gloucester Virginia, d. 1713 Essex, Virginia. This one's son, Edward, through whom I thought I might make the connection is unsourced (and I cannot find any, either).

Just kinda stuck. Any help out there? Thanks!
WikiTree profile: Robert Coleman
in The Tree House by Pip Sheppard G2G Astronaut (2.7m points)

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Pip, is there anything here that you can use for hints,

[https://www.genealogieonline.nl/en/family-tree-mcgowan-hall/P569.php]
by Rodney Long G2G6 Pilot (889k points)
A good start! Thanks, Rodney. I’m going to contact the creator of that tree and see if anything pops up.
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I'm fairly certain that my Colemans also descend from Robert Coleman, although I have yet to find a definite connection; my third great-grandfather, Washington Coleman, of Meade County, Kentucky, said to be son of a Daniel Coleman (born c. 1799, Virginia) whose father was supposedly a Josiah Coleman, born around 1775 in Virginia. My mother has DNA matches on Ancestry to several descendants of Robert Coleman and Ann Spilsby, which seems to support the likelihood that Josiah Coleman was a descendant of Robert Coleman of Mobjack Bay.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Coleman-3946
by C Handy G2G6 Pilot (213k points)
CH, I don’t have the DNA connection... yet. I’m only one generation from making that connection for my wife. It’ll come.
I'm also a descendant of Washington Lindsay Coleman of Meade County Ky through Josiah Coleman.  I have two DNA tests, one on FTDNA (Y-Chromosome) and one on Ancestry.  The Ancestry DNA test shows 60+ DNA cousins that descend from every one of Josiah's known children - so a pretty clear indication that Wash was a grandson of Josiah.

Researching DNA cousins that are also related to known descendants of Josiah, I've come up with a few theories:

1) James Jeremiah Coleman/Elizabeth Leake.  My great aunt, who is a great-granddaughter of Wash Coleman, had a DNA test done through Ancestry, and she shows 82 DNA cousins descended through this couple.  Using triangulation, it appears that all of these cousins have Coleman ancestors.  James J. Coleman's parents were Samuel Coleman and Anne Mourning Christian .  My great-aunt is related by DNA to over 100 cousins descended from this couple, all of whom appear to be Coleman descendants.

2) Henry Coleman/Mary Hutcherson.  My great-aunt's test shows 24 cousins descended from this couple

3)  John Coleman (1757-1837) and Mary "Mollie" Coleman.  There are about 20 DNA cousins descended from this couple.  They emigrated from Virginia to Kentucky about 1809, around the same time as Josiah.  Also Mary Coleman's mother's maiden name was Lindsay, a possible source of Wash's middle name.  

Unfortunately there is no documentation that I've found that can help make a determination if any of these couples are Josiah's parents.  The likeliest, based on DNA evidence, is the first couple.  However James Jeremiah's will doesn't list Josiah, but lists many other children.  That could be because Josiah would have been a minor at the time he died (around 13), but you would have thought the will would have left a provision for minor children in it, which it doesn't.

The Y-DNA test through FTDNA shows my closest relationship with descendants of George Coleman (b. 1767 Virginia, d. 1858 in Edgefield, South Carolina).  The genetic Y-DNA distance between me and George's male line descendants is +4, meaning there's an 88% likeliehood that we have a common ancestor within 8 generations, and over 99% chance we have a common ancestor within the last 12 generations.  Josiah is 7 generations back for me. 

Also with a Y-DNA distance of 4 from me is a descendant of William Coleman (b. 1802 TN/GA, AL, d. 1885 LA).

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