John was lost at sea and there are no dates or location. Note Supposed death at sea with seven of his children. Source: Ellis-Ellsworth-Giddings Genealogy - Person Sheet. URL: (http://ellisgen.com/EllisDatabase/ps01/ps01_005.htm. 17 Nov 2015.)
This is a letter by Abiathar P. Ellis my G. G. G. Uncle amd given to my Uncle Edward Dale Ellis from his Grandmother Emma Gould Ellis regarding John Ellis ( w Johanna Swift) and the lose of the family. It is as follows: OUR ANCESTORS
“My great-grandfather was John Ellis of Provincetown, Ma. He was the father of ten children, eight boys and two girls. His youngest boy was my grandfather and was named Seth; the others, seven in number he never saw after he was seven years old as he went to sea with his father; he followed the seas for fourteen years. I never knew the names of the other seven. The girls names were Thankful and Dolly. I am the son of John Ellis, Grandson of Seth Ellis, Great-grand-son of John Ellis the first [meaning John husband of Joanna Swift]. My father was born July 11, 1789 and I am in my eightieth year.”
/s/ Abiathar P. Ellis
In the OUR ANCESTORS, by Abiathar P. Ellis, the name of Dolly Ellis shows, whereas, in the Brownson and McLean study, the name of Dorothy Ellis is shown. It is my contention that Dolly and Dorothy are one and the same. In Abiathar’s genealogical statement regarding John Ellis and Joanna Swift’s family, he states there were 10 children which included 8 boys and two girls. I am perhaps a bit quisical as to the numbers and further wonder if Abiathar is not getting other branches of the family mixed up. Abiathar was in his 80th year when composing this information which could have been part of his or this mix up. Then here I am in my 91st year and questioning his determination. The closest possible scenario to John and Joanna’s family is son Seth and wife Elizabeth Gilmore who had 10 children but only 6 boys and 4 girls and these sons were not all lost at sea. /s/ EDE
In January, 1967 issue of the NEHGR, occurs the connection by Brownson and McLean, Involving John Ellis (John, Manoah, Lt. John Ellis) who was born 1711. He married in Harwich, MA, 28 October 1737 [intention 17 Sept 1737], By Joseph Doane, J. P., JOHANNAH SWIFT, of Harwich. The known children of this marriage and baptisms from Harwich Churh Records, are listed as follows: 1. John, b. abt 1738, bapt. 7 Sept 1746. 2. Dorothy, b. abt 1740, bapt. 7 Sept 1746 [Perhaps the Dorothy Ellis of Provincetown who married 24 Oct 1765 Jabez Gross of Wellfleet, from Vital Records of Truro. 3. Seth, b. perhaps about 1744, bapt. 28 Oct 1753. 4. Thankful, b. abt 1754, bapt. 1 June 1755. 5. There is no note as to further family members given.
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Brownson, Lydia B. Phinney. Lt. John1 and Elizabeth (Freeman) Ellis of Sandwich Mass. New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Volume 121, January 1967. Pages 42-43. https://www.americanancestors.org/DB202/i/11666/42/0
It's tricky because his father John who married Martha was among at least three John Ellis' who were born about 1680 in Plymouth. Please reply if you have any questions.
Source: "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q29L-R71C : 20 May 2022), John Ellis, 4 Feb 1705; citing Birth, Sandwich, Barnstable, Massachusetts Bay Colony, British Colonial America, Massachusetts Secretary of the Commonwealth, Boston; FHL microfilm 004934221.
Lydia Brownson helped to write a very excellent and well-sourced history of this Ellis family, and she shows John, son of John Ellis and grandson of Mordecai Ellis with the following vital data: b. 04 Feb 1704/5 in Sandwich; d. Oct 1792 in Hebron, Connecticut; m. 04 Feb 1730 in Sandwich to Rose Jennings.
Source: Brownson, Lydia B. Phinney. Lt. John1 and Elizabeth (Freeman) Ellis of Sandwich Mass. New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Volume 120, January 1966. Page 88. https://www.americanancestors.org/DB202/i/11703/188/0
From this information, the John Ellis born in Harwich about 1711 and married to Johanna Swift does not appear to match the alleged father.
I hope this information helps, Laurence
[Stout.ftw] John4 Ellis (John3, Manoah2, Lt. John1) was born in Barnstable Co., Harwich, Mass. about 1711. He married Johanna Swift in Harwich, MA., October 28, 1737. Johanna was born July 5, 1723.