I am so stuck!

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I have been searching for days trying to find out who the parents of my great-great grandfather, John Rich are.  I've searched familysearch, tons of SC Genealogy records and even googled his name to see what I could find.  I've contacted several of my great aunts with no luck.  

This is what I have already with the help of Phillip Rich.  http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Rich-2811

I am at a roadblock.  I am new to researching and am not sure what to do at this point.  

Any suggestions?
WikiTree profile: John Rich
in Genealogy Help by Living Frazier G2G5 (5.4k points)
recategorized by Keith Hathaway
When you come to a block like this, a census can provide some information about who the parents are.  The profile says he was from Carolina?

Father is a John C. Rich born about 1850

Mother is Nancy E born about 1843
Are you quite sure 1874 100% as there is one other born in 1872 - all the other John Rich have a middle name.
I did see this one and it isn't it.  His mother's name is Martha.  I know this because my great-grandmother is named after her.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure exactly when his birthday is.  I know that he was born in May but the year could be anywhere from 1874 to 1878.  I've seen five different years listed on the census forms that I've viewed.

5 Answers

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Just had a quick nose/search: 1880 Census shows John Rich age 6

Name: John Rich
Age: 6
Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1880: Watauga, Watauga, North Carolina
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's name: John C. Rich
Father's Birthplace: North Carolina
Mother's name: Nancy E. Rich
Mother's Birthplace: North Carolina
Neighbors: View others on page

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Household Members:
Name Age
John C. Rich 30
Nancy E. Rich 37
Thomas Rich 12
William Rich 10
John Rich 6
James Rich 4
Vance Rich 2

 

 

by Living Bowling G2G6 Mach 6 (64.1k points)
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First things first...


Thank you for joining our collaborative project of building a World-Wide-Tree!


The fact is, John is a particularly difficult name to research. There were somewhere around a dozen John Riches in NC in that time period. So in order to determine which of those johns is your John, we'll need to find a record with a middle name, or family member mentioned. (sibling, parent, aunt or uncle)


The first.step is find everything you can to support what you know. We've made a good deal of headway on John himself from 1898 when he married Fannie until his death. But we also know little bits about several of his children mentioned in the Census and on Find-a-Grave. I can't count how many times I've found my answers from a cousin or uncle mentioned in another family member's records. Plus, there's a reasonable chance that one of those children already has a profile here, and with them comes a cousin doing their own research that may not have gotten around to entering the exact data you're looking for.


You're doing great! Keep it up and it'll all come together. When I started this venture, I wasn't even sure whether my Paternal Grandmother's Maiden name was Tucker or Taylor.


Seems like I remember finding mention of a John Rich that came to NC in the mid 1700 with his Brother and married a Native American and spending more of his time living in her world than her living in his... Wonder if there's a connection...


- P Rich
by Phillip Rich G2G6 Mach 4 (48.2k points)
Delightful!

I like your take on it Phillip. You helped me get through some learning pains
+8 votes

According to the death certificate of March 1945 at Dillon County, John Rich, husband of Fannie Poston (Rich) was born 1874 at Montgomery Co., NC. Father's name is not given, but Mother is given as Martha Rich.

In Census 1880 at Troy Montgomery is enumerated a Martha A. Rich, step-daughter of Riley Lea and wife Susan. (FamilySearch has erroneously indexed her as Martha Lea) - Martha has 5 children by the surname "Rich" but only initials are given. At age 5 the boy J.M. would be a good fit for your John Rich. 

"United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCXZ-W4Z : accessed 11 March 2016), Martha A Lea in household of Riley Lea, Troy, Montgomery, North Carolina, United States; citing enumeration district ED 129, sheet 187C, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d.), roll 0973; FHL microfilm 1,254,973.

 

by Rob Ton G2G6 Pilot (291k points)
Wow!  That is amazing!!!
Would I need the paid subscription to Ancestry to access some of the info that you are finding?
I use the public library - I happened to be there and taking a quick break from studying.
Something just occurred to me.  The family history in my family is that John Rich and his family were/are Pee Dee Indians.  My great grandmother (who was his daughter) and her siblings were certainly very dark according to my mother. Also on the 1920 census, John's race was listed as "black" and his wife and children listed as "mulatto".  With this in mind, are there additional sources that I should be checking that I haven't considered?
I've spent hours trying to find anything on Riley Lea (or Lee) and Susan Lea.  I can't find anything.  I've also been trying to find Susan Belle Rich or Susin Bell Rich, Cauley B. Jacobs and all manner of variations on the names.  I can't find a thing.  Maybe I'm tired and I'm missing obvious clues.  I'm frustrated.
I think one of the big issues we're running into at this point is the fact that these families were living in the Pee Dee tribal community, and did not participate in things like the US Census and other forms of official records keeping practices imposed by "the white man". There were several sites maintained by the modern day Pee Dee tribal communities with email addies and phone numbers included. I'll try to get back in the next day or so with links, but in the meantime, try google searching "Pee Dee Tribes of Montgomery County, North Carolina and Marlboro County, South Carolina"


There may be existing members of the Rich Family or at least some form of records remaining in inter-tribal archives that may shed more light.

Or it may just come down to DNA comparisons with other Rich lineages.

HtH

-P Rich
I hadn't thought of that.  You are absolutely right.  Luckily, I just ordered two DNA kits for my Mom and me.  We are excited to see how it all turns out.  

I can't wait to get started with the links you find.  I'll be looking too.  

Thank You, Phillip!  :)

Just found this link:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pee_Dee_people

There is a section that says:

The people identifying as Pee Dee live primarily in Dillon and Marlboro counties in South Carolina. Other descendants of the historic tribe have affiliated with several different tribes, such as the Catawba people: members live mostly in South Carolina, North Carolina, and Georgia.

When I had been looking possible husband's I came a blog post that you might find interesting, if you are not already familiar with it
https://renegadesouth.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/the-one-drop-rule-revisited-mary-ann-mcqueen-of-montgomery-county-morth-carolina/
I was more interested in the source links for the Wikipedia page, specifically

http://www.thepeedeeindiantribeofsc.com

And here are the email addies and ph #'s for some of those listed.


http://www.sciway.net/hist/indians/peedee.html
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Amy It looks like you are still need info for your Rich line. you might want to look here.   https://richfamilyassociation.org/  I am not sure it will help. You may get lucky.

by James Collins G2G6 Mach 6 (60.7k points)
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So Amy!

It's been nearly 4 years now and look how far we've come!

Any new breakthroughs on the elusive John Rich?
by Phillip Rich G2G6 Mach 4 (48.2k points)

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