Charles Joseph Webb (1842 - 1937)

Born 6 Jun 1842 in England, United Kingdom

Ancestors

Husband of Caroline (Wayland) Webb — married about 1865 in Clare, South Australia [uncertain]

Descendants

Died 23 Dec 1937 at age 95 in Pingelly, Western Australia, Australia

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Biography

This biography is a rough draft. It was auto-generated by a GEDCOM import and needs to be edited.

Birth

Date: 6 JUN 1842

Place: England, UK

Death

Date: 23 DEC 1937

Place: Pingelly, Western Australia

Immigration

Date: 5 DEC 1848

Place: Port Adelaide, South Australia

Note: Aboard the "Hooghly" with father and siblings

Christening

Date: 7 AUG 1842

Place: St Martin in the Fields, Westminster, London, England

Burial

Date: DEC 1937

Place: Methodist 149, Pingelly Cemetery, Western Australia

Occupation

Occupation: Appointed Poundkeeper at Clare

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Date: 1863

Occupation: Farmer, Laura, South Australia

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Date: 1878

Occupation: Farmer, Arkaba, South Australia

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Date: 1884

Occupation: Farmer, Willow Plains, South Australia

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Date: 1889

Occupation: Farmer, Hawker, South Australia

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Record ID Number: MH:IF133236

Date: 1894

Note

Note:

As written in the earlier chapter on their father, Charles Houlton Webb, there are two families of children involved - those with his first wife Ann Agar in England and those with his second wife Elizabeth Meyler in Australia. It is established that his children Charles, Samuel and Louisa came to South Australia aboard the 'Hooghly' with their him. Elliott Agar Webb, their youngest brother was actually born in England about one month after their arrival in Australia. Elliott subsequently arrived in Australia sometime in the years between the UK Census of 1861 and Samuel's marriage in Donnybrook South Australia on 29th July 1871 at which he was a witness. I have included this section setting out the the first family particularly because Elliott Agar Webb is a paternal Great Grandfather and for a time his early years in Australia seem to have also been involved with his brothers. His father died in 1870 and I still have to establish if Elliott came before or after his death.

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So far I have discovered little at all about Louisa Ann except that she married rather late in life and was the fourth wife of Alexander Duncan. They had one child and I have not yet been able to find out if that child survived. A separate chapter for Elliott follows this chapter.

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The descendant chart of Charles Houlton Webb in the relevant chapter lists all of the children of his two marriages.

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Charles Joseph Webb and his younger brother Samuel Houlton Webb lived in close proximity to each other most of their lives. There is a quote in the book of the history of Clare by Robert Noye in regard to Dr Charles Houlton Webb that "For a time he held a publican's licence, and lived to fulfil his ambition of giving a well established hotel to each ofhis sons". I have not been able so far to verify the correctness of this however the sons referred to would have to have been Charles Joseph and Samuel Houlton as no others were old enough before 1870. Even so the tenure of their holding would have been quite brief. I wonder if Charles Joseph could have had the Farrell Flat Hotel because that is where his children were born during the years 1865 to 1870. Samuel was younger and was married at Clare in 1871 prior to which time may have been at the Taminga Hotel. Cecil the oldest son of Dr Webb's second marriage in fact had the Spalding Hotel later on but which was well after the death of his father.

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The South Australian Land Purchases by Selection records show that Charles Joseph Webb purchased County of Victoria, Hundred of Caltowie Section 177, 178W total area 640 acres for (Pounds)1550/15/- on 04/08/1873. Judging by when and where his children were born he must have moved there straight away. Farming was quite difficult on the land at that time. The land was clear and did not need trees cleared before crops could be grown; unfortunately the land was hungry and required fertiliser and the use of super phosphate had not begun yet. I visited Laura in 2008 and located a record of Baptism of Charles' daughter Caroline at St John's Anglican Church. This entry is dated 16th December 1877 and Charles is described asa butcher residing at Laura. Both brothers had children born at Hill River near Clare in 1871 and 1872 and at Laura in 1874 and 1876 with the last Laura birth being in February 1880.

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Elliott too was in Laura from 1877 to 1881 or 1882. He did not work as a farmer there and did not move to Willow Plains with his brothers. He went to Adelaide in 1882 and then to Melbourne in 1889.

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Charles and Samuel appear to have moved to Arkaba/Willow Plains in 1880 as a child was born there in late 1880. Records show that Charles and Samuel were farmers at Arkaba in 1882 to 1886 and Willow Plains 1887. South Australian Land Purchases by Credit Selection records disclose that Samuel purchased County Hanson, Hundred of Arkaba, Section 89 & 91 being a total area of 774 acres for (pounds) 774 plus 63/15/- on 27/03/1878. He had previously purchased 50 acres of the Hunded of Pekina on 6th May 1874 and is recorded as being a Farmer at Willow Plains from 1899/1908. Charles purchased Lots 92 and 93 which adjoined his brother's land. This land is still in the Webb family and is part of a much larger property owned by Charles' great grandson Hugh (Mick) Webb as is Section 29 a little further south that was purchased by Charles' son Francis and called 'Want Wet'. There are some remnants of the 'Want Wet' old home still standing and there are many relics of horse drawn machinery and wagons still visible nearby in 2008. Mick also showed me a set of bookshelves that he had made from recycled timber from 'Want Wet'. They were of a type of pine but the interesting part was that the timber was what was left of an old water tank that the white ants had not got into. No one knows where the timber originated from but the boards were about 40mm thick and quite wide. The tank had been built in a square and lined with tin which was then coated with waterproofing of some type of tar product.

It was fortuitous that I visited and took some photographs of the 'Want Wet' ruins in 2008 because some months later the whole area was bulldozed and ripped to try and eradicate rabbits that had become an environmental problem. This was part of a compulsory government directed program.

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Then as now farming in the Willow Plains area is still very much governed by the irregular and low rainfall and subject the the harshness of the effects of drought. It is outside what is known as the Goyder Line. Just how and exactly when and why Charles and Samuel decided to move to Pingelly in Western Australia has not been researched by me but it is very likely that a severe drought in South Australia at the end of the 1890s may have made it necessary for them to move on. Charles left at least two sons, Francis and Walter, at Willow Plains but the rest of their children probably went west with their parents. It is assumed that Samuel was at Pingelly, Western Australia in 1905 with at least two of his sons Herbert and Victor who are reported to have helped him build a house at nearby Moorumbine.

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The Laura Historical Society has a list of people attending a back to in 1932 and shown as having come from Pengilly W.A. Not a bad effortas he would have been 90 years old then.

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Both brothers died at Pingelly Western Australia as did their sister Louisa. Arkaba South and Willow Plains are rural areas with nothing more than a historic marker where the Arkaba School was and a Church is still standing and used in 2008.

Sources

• WikiTree profile Webb-3096 created through the import of Timothy Praters Family Tree2 - 2011-03-29 22-07-30.ged on Nov 8, 2012 by Timothy Prater. See the Changes page for the details of edits by Timothy and others.

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